She is Taliban and this Guy is very Smart Indian taliban

[yeezevee]

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‘I’m here to understand what you mean by Taliban’. Celebrated Indian author and social activist Arundhati Roy addresses a gathering at the Karachi Press Club on Friday.-writes Fahim Siddiqui in Dawn .

Is there a threat of Talibanisation engulfing the entire region?

I think it has already engulfed our region. I think there’s a need for a very clear thinking (on this issue of Talibanisation). In India, there are two kinds of terrorism: one is Islamic terrorism and the other Maoist terrorism. But this term terrorism, we must ask, what do they mean by it.

In Pakistan, I’m here to understand what they mean by this term. When we say we must fight the Taliban or must defeat them, what does it mean? I’m here to understand what you mean when you say Taliban. Do you mean a militant? Do you mean an ideology? Exactly what is it that is being fought? That needs to be clarified.

What is she?? A lefti??

Give her to Taliban., she wants to understand them., Smart lady., she needs some food., read it all at that link.

yeezevee

[expozIslam]

She can give company to this lady


Taliban would love to have her.

[FinallyFree]

You beat me to it E, the last person to try and understand the Taliban was kidnapped!

There's n0thing to understand, they follow Shariah Islamic law to the T and they implement it properly.

What's hard about that?

[Yohan]

‘I’m here to understand what you mean by Taliban’.[/u] Celebrated Indian author and social activist Arundhati Roy addresses a gathering at the Karachi Press Club on Friday.-writes Fahim Siddiqui in Dawn .

One needs to know that her father committed suicide out of depression. Her brain wiring is a little screwed up as a result of that inheritance. That also has enabled her, his only child, to be talented in writing novels, only one time for her though, so far.

[Infidel]

She is a Muslim apologist. During Gujarat riots she was more interested in bashing Hindus who only retaliated because a whole train coach full of Hindu pilgrims was burned by Muslims without any good reason during a well planned conspiracy. Remind you those pilgrims were mainly ladies and children who were burnt alive.

Such people deserve to go and get a first hand impression of Taliban.

[Maersk]

Pause for a moment. Not everything is black on black on the Indian sub-continent.

She's a very valid point. She's asking pointed question to the Pakis what the bloody hell are you fighting against and she's getting them to own up to the truth?

If it is militancy then it is an invading Army but what is the driving ideology behind their militancy. She is trying to draw comparision with Maoist movement hence the PAKIS have to resolve to exposing Islam and its ideology too.

[viduur]

One needs to know that her father committed suicide out of depression. Her brain wiring is a little screwed up as a result of that inheritance. That also has enabled her, his only child, to be talented in writing novels, only one time for her though, so far.

I have all the sympathies for her, but let me say she will only misunderstand the Talibans also like she misunderstood the most of India always. May be it is due to "little screwing up" of her brain wiring as informed by you.

[viduur]

She is a Muslim apologist. During Gujarat riots she was more interested in bashing Hindus who only retaliated because a whole train coach full of Hindu pilgrims was burned by Muslims without any good reason during a well planned conspiracy. Remind you those pilgrims were mainly ladies and children who were burnt alive.

Such people deserve to go and get a first hand impression of Taliban.

Surely she is a Muslim apologist.

However the people, who burnt the Gujarat were also anti-Hindus & anti-Indians only, when a train coach containing Hindu pilgrims was set on fire by the Islamists.

MODI was the CM, and even his party boss & then PM Vajpayee criticised Modi for not observing Raj-Dharma.

Then President KR Narayanan repented till his death for not doing enough in preventing the genocide engineered by RSS led Sangh Parivar in collabration with State Police.

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[viduur]

She is trying to draw comparision with Maoist movement hence the PAKIS have to resolve to exposing Islam and its ideology too.

She can only see the danger posed by the Talibans to Islam & Pakistan.

But she will never see the dangers posed by the Islam to common men.

[viduur]

What is she?? A lefti??

Do you have any doubt?

Give her to Taliban., she wants to understand them., Smart lady., she needs some food., read it all at that link.

yeezevee

Why don't you offer one Chair to her at any reputed American University, which are similarly interested in understanding the Talibans, Sharia and its relevance for the US.

[Nosuperstition]

Well actually some of the Hindutva activists are said to have harassed muslim vendors on the railway platform.However, what was dispproportinate was the responses of both muslims of Godhra as well as reactionary riots against muslims.Hindutva activists are said to have hired bootleggers etc to do the dirty jobs.As the muslim population rises in %,use of such methods will only be less frequent as muslims have more youth for rioting.Muslims were sustained by religious fervour(and possibly skill as well as diet) and they defeated the Hindu army which outnumbered them in Kashi.

I do not know how far this is true,but in a site put up by a German lady,it is said that a muslim boy was forced to drink kerosene and was then set ablaze from the mouth.If true,it can be said that hate of such level is achievable only through most stringent form of brainwashing.If I put myself in God's shoes,I will ensure that the perpetrator will get paid back in his own coins.So if you want to put down muslims use more humane methods.case closed.

[viduur]

Well actually some of the Hindutva activists are said to have harassed muslim vendors on the railway platform.However, what was dispproportinate was the responses of both muslims of Godhra as well as reactionary riots against muslims.Hindutva activists are said to have hired bootleggers etc to do the dirty jobs.As the muslim population rises in %,use of such methods will only be less frequent as muslims have more youth for rioting.Muslims were sustained by religious fervour and they defeated a vastly numerous Hindu army in Kashi.

I do not know how far this is true,but in a site put up by a German lady,it is said that a muslim boy was forced to drink kerosene and was then set ablaze from the mouth.If true,it can be said that hate of such level is achievable only through most stringent form of brainwashing.If I put myself in God's shoes,I will ensure that the perpetrator will get paid back in his own coins.So if you want to put down muslims use more humane methods.case closed.

Some idiot Hindus are so much enamoured by the Islam that they want to "Copy & Paste" Islam on the Hindu way of Life.

Gujarat Experiment of 2002 was such an attempt by some frustrated anti-Hindu NGOs led by RSS.

Is it not better for them to join Islam instead of polluting Hinduism by Islamic non-sense?

[Agnostic]

I don’t understand the language much. My wife translated some of it. I think those who understand Urdu will find it amusing.







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[Infidel]

Well actually some of the Hindutva activists are said to have harassed muslim vendors on the railway platform.However, what was dispproportinate was the responses of both muslims of Godhra as well as reactionary riots against muslims.Hindutva activists are said to have hired bootleggers etc to do the dirty jobs.As the muslim population rises in %,use of such methods will only be less frequent as muslims have more youth for rioting.Muslims were sustained by religious fervour and they defeated a vastly numerous Hindu army in Kashi.

I do not know how far this is true,but in a site put up by a German lady,it is said that a muslim boy was forced to drink kerosene and was then set ablaze from the mouth.If true,it can be said that hate of such level is achievable only through most stringent form of brainwashing.If I put myself in God's shoes,I will ensure that the perpetrator will get paid back in his own coins.So if you want to put down muslims use more humane methods.case closed.

Its called playing the victim game.

[Yohan]

Arundhati Roy says: The RSS has infiltrated the (Indian) army as much as various kinds of Wahabism or other kinds of religious ideology have infiltrated the ISI or the armed forces in Pakistan.

Everyone knows of the Islamization of the Pakistani army. But how about RSS infiltration of the Indian army? Is it true? Indian army is not secular anymore?

[yeezevee]

Agnostic: I don’t understand the language much. My wife translated some of it. I think those who understand Urdu will find it amusing.

here is the youtube of that you are mentioning

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That fellow is NOT Zaid hamid mr. Agnostic., It is just a fun program on Pakistan's TV., That is one of the best shows of Pakistan which makes fun of Fools and Politicians..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp5gb5XpBvY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Here is Musharraf Interview on that Show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBupaECP7d4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Musharraf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gee7pThaWnw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and here is Osama bin laden Interview , in front of Pervaiz Mushrraf

Indians and Bangladesh TV guys need to learn from these guys..

yeezevee

[viduur]

Arundhati Roy says: The RSS has infiltrated the (Indian) army as much as various kinds of Wahabism or other kinds of religious ideology have infiltrated the ISI or the armed forces in Pakistan.

Everyone knows of the Islamization of the Pakistani army. But how about RSS infiltration of the Indian army? Is it true? Indian army is not secular anymore?

I think doubting the character of Indian Army on the basis of any irresponsible statements made by the likes of Arundhati Roys is not the right way to look at the menace created by the RSS led mafia.

I don't think RSS can ever enjoy such a privilaged position in the Hindu Society, which is being enjoyed by the likes of Talibans in the Islamic Societies. Actually the Hinduism is basically a secular way of life, while the Islam is basically a fundamentalist doctrine.Hindus don't have anything like Sharia. Hindus don't have any separate personal Laws. Without these tools of manipulation, it is impossible for RSS to give shape to their sinister designs.

[Yohan]

Arundhati Roy says: The RSS has infiltrated the (Indian) army as much as various kinds of Wahabism or other kinds of religious ideology have infiltrated the ISI or the armed forces in Pakistan.

Everyone knows of the Islamization of the Pakistani army. But how about RSS infiltration of the Indian army? Is it true? Indian army is not secular anymore?

I think doubting the character of Indian Army on the basis of any irresponsible statements made by the likes of Arundhati Roys is not the right way to look at the menace created by the RSS led mafia.

I don't think RSS can ever enjoy such a privilaged position in the Hindu Society, which is being enjoyed by the likes of Talibans in the Islamic Societies. Actually the Hinduism is basically a secular way of life, while the Islam is basically a fundamentalist doctrine.Hindus don't have anything like Sharia. Hindus don't have any separate personal Laws. Without these tools of manipulation, it is impossible for RSS to give shape to their sinister designs.

Good points! Still there seem to be an encroachment of fundamentalism, driven by RSS type orgs, in Hindu society. This is giving a feeling to the world that Hindus are slowly becoming intolerant. Evidence of this comes from news items from India. In the current election, if BJP comes to power, one would definitely experience the after effects of a much more strengthened RSS. It will be a bane for all India.

Your point of 'Hinduism is basically secular way of life' is well noted, but it secular in a peculiar way. This Hindu tolerance has been developed over eons to accomodate multitude of castes in the society. It comes with its own intolerance or caste barriers. Though Hindus don't have sharia, most Hindus self police themselves with manusmrithi laws, at social and moral levels, which are beyond the reach of modern laws. In Islam sharia is much more legalised in some countries, and hence more visible. In India Hindus had been successful in legalizing manusmrithi law of banning cow slaughter in most states, preventing others the right to eat beef.

[Idesigner]

Only way Arundhati can understand Talibans is by wearing burkha.

I attended one gathering in Delhi of mullah dialog where she was present. She was offered a scarf to wear when she approached stadium, she gently took it off!!

[viduur]

Good points! Still there seem to be an encroachment of fundamentalism, driven by RSS type orgs, in Hindu society. This is giving a feeling to the world that Hindus are slowly becoming intolerant.

Nobody really cared for them for more than 60 yrs among Hindu societies of India. But they clinched power at Delhi in next 10-15 years becoz of many wrong decisions & apeasement policies practiced by the Congress Govts. It was a knee jerk reaction of Hindus. Even I voted for BJP between 1988-2002. But they became arrogant & corrupt instantly after coming to power, whereas Congress became alienated from the people after remaining in power for much longer duration. Hindu voters are very complex, and if RSS/BJP felt that they can befool Hindu voters by creating Islamophobia only then it was only very foolish on their part.

Evidence of this comes from news items from India. In the current election, if BJP comes to power, one would definitely experience the after effects of a much more strengthened RSS. It will be a bane for all India.

Whole English Media is very suppotive to RSS/BJP becoz they truly believe in BJP claims that Islamic Terrorism can be checked thru POTA. If you will look at the caste composition of Indian Media then you will find all of them come from the upper castes only, while the majority of Indian voters belong to Middle castes, Lower castes & Muslims. There is a clear bias in the Indian Media for the BJP due to this reason on one side, and also a huge communication gap between the media & the leaders & voters belonging to middle/ lower castes & minorities on the other side. In such a situation, one can imagine how misleading can be the Media reports in the contexts of General elections in India. BTW, BJP had already lost all the sympathies of middle Castes & lower Castes Hindu voters already, and in this elections they have relied on Regional parties to secure some votes of these sections.

In the present scenerio, BJP can have any chance to make Govt only if BSP supremo agrees to support them. BSP is expected to win 40-50 seats from UP, and will be the third or fourh biggest party after the elections. Having BSP as the coalition partner, Advani may prefer to marginalise RSS altogether instead of seeking any guidance from these rogues.

Your point of 'Hinduism is basically secular way of life' is well noted, but it secular in a peculiar way. This Hindu tolerance has been developed over eons to accomodate multitude of castes in the society. It comes with its own intolerance or caste barriers.

Actually Caste System is nothing Hinduism but anti-Hinduism only. I think following equation summarise it very well-

Hinduism = Hindu Religion -Caste System

Caste system is a racial derivative only. When other parts of the planet were enjoying brute concepts of Racism, then Hindu Society of India was content with a lesser evil product like the Caste System. After independence Hindu Society has decided to replace the Caste System by the concept of Democracy, therefore one can understand the various stages of evolution of Hindu Religion as under:

In ancient times :

Hindu Religion = Hinduism ( immortal spirtual wisdom) + Varna System ( Mortal Social Code)
( Varna system was not based on Birth, it was a division of labor acc to abilities)

In kalyugi times:

Hindu Religion = Hinduism + Caste system

In Modern times:

Hindu Religion = Hinduism + Democracy.

Though Hindus don't have sharia, most Hindus self police themselves with manusmrithi laws, at social and moral levels, which are beyond the reach of modern laws. In Islam sharia is much more legalised in some countries, and hence more visible.

ManuSmiriti has no relevance in modern India. It has already been consigned to dustbin by the Modern Manu i.e Dr. B.R. Ambedkar. The Brahminsts belonging to Pune may go mad due to jealousy & contempt for Ambedkar, but they have no way to skip the provisions of 'Modern Smriti of Hindus' wrote by Ambedkar. Pandit Nathu Ram Godse was hanged like a Mad Dog for committing a heinous crime & sin. RSS or Kayar Savarkar could not save him. Same may be the fate of many Banjaras & Pragya/ Purohit, if they agreed to became the Hindu Talibans under the guidance & inspiration from their RSS Masters.

In India Hindus had been successful in legalizing manusmrithi law of banning cow slaughter in most states, preventing others the right to eat beef.

Cow slaughter is not banned in every state of India. It's a political decision mainly like the Caste based Reservations.

Being an agragarian society, Cow & its progeny provided maximum support to Indian econmy till recent past. This may be the reason why most of the Indians ( not only Hindus) are emotional about treating cow at par with other animals. Outside India, Hindu kids also enjoy beef & beef products like all others.