SAM wrote: frankie wrote:
You failed to present logical arguments, and continue to say an old debate that has been stale and outdated.
I would agree Sam, the quotes I presented are very much "stale and outdated "only trouble is, Muslims don't think they are, they believe them to be very much fresh and eternal guidance for them to put in to practice in accordance with Allah's will.
If only these Islamic quotes were as you say "stale and outdated", the world would be a much safer place to live in.
It's not a quote that become stale and outdated, it is a weak argument and you run out of ideas for debate.
These verses will be valid if the infidels against Muslims, or declare war on Allah's religion, Islam. The true believer (Mukmins) will fight all out in Allah's way.
Unlike idiot white Christians fighting and die for Zonist Jews.
These verses will be valid if the infidels against Muslims, or declare war on Allah's religion, Islam.
You have things the wrong way round, it is Islam that puts Muslims at war with the rest of the world, your own scholars confirm it.
Reliance of the Traveller:
[Section o9.0, page 599]
"Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word "mujahada", signifying warfare to establish the religion. And it is the lesser jihad. As for the greater jihad, it is spiritual warfare against the lower self, (nafs), which is why the Prophet said as he was returning from jihad, "We have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad."
(O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion…
The scriptural basis for jihad, prior to scholarly consensus is such Koranic verses as:
(1) “Fighting is prescribed for you” (Koran 2:216);
(2) “Slay them wherever you find them” (Koran 4:89);
(3) “Fight the idolators utterly” (Koran 9:36);
and such hadiths as the one related by Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said:
“I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And their final reckoning is with Allah”;
and the hadith reported by Muslim,
Sahih Muslim Volume 4, Book 52, Number 50:
“To go forth in the morning or evening to fight in the path of Allah is better than the whole world and everything in it.