Muslim street cleric wants to protect Canadian women from se

[Anton Krammar]

Source: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/16/muslim-street-cleric-wants-to-protect-canadian-women-from-sex-assault-by-forcing-them-to-cover-up


BTW There is a survey at the bottom of the link - the correct selection should be HOGWASH, since HOGS are pigs

Canadian laws should be changed to require women to "cover themselves" to prevent sexual assaults, says an Islamic street preacher in Toronto.

Al-Haashim Kamena Atangana, a 33-year-old Islamic convert, called for legal change in response to recent sex attacks at York University.

Atangana is connected with a group called Muslim Support Network and is one of a number of street-corner clerics commonly seen at the Yonge and Dundas Sts.

In an e-mail to the Toronto Sun, Atangana said "the reason ... these sex attacks are continuously happening is because (of) Canadian laws, which give too much freedom to women" when it comes to how they dress.

"You should take your example from the way Muslim women dress," he wrote. "Why does (sic) Muslim women who wear long dress and covers her head aren't targeted for sex attacks?"

The clash between western culture and values and the beliefs of some Muslim adherents has been a source of controversy and conflict across North America.

Atangana, who plans to distribute his views on paper in the coming weeks, went on to state that "the reason ... a woman gets raped is because of the way she (dresses)," and suggests that "Toronto (become) the first city in North America to introduce laws that would make it illegal for women to dress provocatively."

If Toronto did this, Atangana said in an interview, other Canadian cities would follow suit.

"If (women) want to prevent being sexually assaulted, they should cover themselves," said Atangana, adding that while he doesn't expect Western women to dress as Muslim women do, they should have a "dress code" and take note of the burka the head scarf and face veil some Muslim females wear.

Atangana says he began planning to distribute his views after a recent spate of sex assaults at York University's Keele campus, and praised Const. Michael Sanguinetti, a Toronto police officer who ended up in hot water after telling students at a York University safety forum in January that women should avoid dressing like "sluts" if they didn't want to be victimized.

The website Atangana provided for his group, Muslimsupport.net, is sparsely populated but contains links to other sites that offer advice on conversion to Islam and Islamic dress, including such advice as this:

"Men must cover their body from the navel to the knees. But when praying he must also cover his shoulder."

"Women must cover their whole body except the face, hands and feet while inside. But they are also required to cover their whole body including a part of the face while going out, according to the majority of the Madhabs (school of thought)."

Moderate Muslim writer Tarek Fatah says Atangana's view is a stark example of radical Islamist misogyny. It is an example, Fatah says, of passages taken from the Qur'an, Islam's holy book, and exaggerated to fit an antiquated, patriarchal ideology such as that of the Muslim Brotherhood.

"This is not about what women wear," Fatah said. "This is about ... some Muslim men believing that any woman whose head is uncovered is fair game because she is lustful...and doesn't belong to the pious (Islamic) sisterhood."

Fatah says it is "hogwash" to think a woman wearing traditional Islamic dress will not be sexually assaulted, and points to an on-going problem of sexual harassment in Egypt, where Muslim faith dominates.

According to a 2008 report from the Egyptian Center for Women's Rights, 83% of Egyptian women had experienced some form of sexual harassment or assault at some point. And well, over half of those surveyed around 70% wore veils of some kind, particularly head scarves.

"These results disprove the belief that sexual harassment is linked to the way women dress," the report states. "This confirms that the stereotypical ideas of a patriarchal culture that blames women even if they are victims, is opposite to reality."

But Alia Hogben of the Canadian Council of Muslim Women sees things differently: Atangana's opinions are not as much to do with Islam as much as they reflect a general patriarchal desire among some men to control women.

"There is absolutely no connection between how women dress and being sexually assaulted," Hogben said, adding that other religions from Judaism to Christianity have traditional dress codes of their own. She did agree, however, that "good, pious" Muslim women are sexually harassed, despite wearing modest and traditional clothing.

"If (Atangana) thinks good, pious Muslim women are not sexually assaulted, he's wrong. If he thinks this is not happening in India or Egypt ... it is not true."

As for Atangana, who converted to Islam in 1998 after finding the Trinity of Christianity the belief in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit too "confusing," he remains steadfast in his views.

"Women here should have a dress code," he says. "That would prevent sexual assault."

[ringmaster]

I wonder how that POS explains away the fact that his prophet was a rapist.

[Nazzim ibn Abu Talib]

Kamena? His name is Kamena right? In Hindi Kameena means a person with low character. Probably his birth certificate missed that extra 'e'. Women are assaulted because men can't control their hormones.

[marduk]

While I can agree that women wearing really provocative attire in public is probably not in their best interest, especially if they go around completely unescorted by a man. The main thing women should do to reduce the number of rapes/murders is stop jogging and biking by themselves. Jogging alone on some path in a park with bushes all around is really just saying "please rape and kill me, here I am, come and get it". Same with biking on roads with few people on them. This stuff happens all the time. Every time I hear the latest news story about a jogger or biker getting raped and killed I just think to myself at least they got their exercise before their brutal death, that was apparently the most important thing to them.

Weird thing is, they could have simply jogged on the spot or used an exercise bike in their own home and achieved the same result with much less risk. When it comes right down to it, if you're a woman and can't be escorted by a strong or armed man then you have to get a gun and carry it with you at all times AND be good at using it. A woman walking around by herself or even just sitting in her home by herself unarmed is a rape/murder victim waiting to get processed. If they are unarmed they just have to hope that no weirdo ever notices them. With all of the sex offenders in any city you don't have much chance of never running into at least one of them. Amazes me how many women walk around in the US unarmed even though literally anybody can get a gun there at the corner store.

So why are Muslims recommending women wear unattractive clothing instead of recommending that they all carry guns? The potato sack can be pulled off. Potato sack may have been preferable to carrying a sword in 700 AD, because women can't swordfight well anyway, but since the invention of the small handgun the potato sack is not even required aside from reducing the number of men who make asses of themselves by reacting to the provocative attire verbally. Some women like that though, which is why they wear it and walk by construction sites.

[ringmaster]

A simpler solution would be to take guys like that street cleric and castrate him. That would cut down on both rapes and inbreeding.

[Idesigner]

The main thing women should do to reduce the number of rapes/murders is stop jogging and biking by themselves. Jogging alone on some path in a park with bushes all around is really just saying "please rape and kill me, here I am, come and get it". Same with biking on roads with few people on them

Come on Marduk!!

Now you are talking like a muslim.

Women dont go for biking or jogging to advertise that " please rape and kill me"

Problem in west is some psycho guys who take advantage of women when they see them alone. This can happen any where on street ,at late nite or when lights are out. Many women need to go to work and have to walk few blocks from bus. Predatory attacks also takes place in elevators, ladies washrooms or in parking lot. Are you suggesting that women should hire security guards to protect themselves.

Looks like many men muslims or non muslims cant keep their tool inside their pants and behave like animals. These are the guys who should either wear burkha or stay home and do jogging or biking on same spot.

[StrongLove]

It seems to me that I see a pattern here with muslims reasoning. Kafir intentionally deny islam so whatever mistreatment they endure is their own faults, not the muslims fault. Women who don't ware a tent are asking to be rapped, it's not muslims fault. The Banu Qurayza were asking to have their heads chopped off by mohamed & their women & children enslaved, it's not mohammed's fault. All the problems in muslim countries are caused by Americans or Jews , it's not their fault. etc.etc,etc.


They are not responsible for the multitude of atrocities that they perpetrated. Either allah told them to do it or the victims asked for it. According to muslims they are actually the victims. Up is down & black is white. Just ask them.

[ringmaster]

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Come on Marduk!!

Now you are talking like a muslim.

Women dont go for biking or jogging to advertise that " please rape and kill me"

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I think marduk was talking "tongue in cheek".

[Mughal]

The main thing women should do to reduce the number of rapes/murders is stop jogging and biking by themselves. Jogging alone on some path in a park with bushes all around is really just saying "please rape and kill me, here I am, come and get it". Same with biking on roads with few people on them

Come on Marduk!!

Now you are talking like a muslim.

Women dont go for biking or jogging to advertise that " please rape and kill me"

Problem in west is some psycho guys who take advantage of women when they see them alone. This can happen any where on street ,at late nite or when lights are out. Many women need to go to work and have to walk few blocks from bus. Predatory attacks also takes place in elevators, ladies washrooms or in parking lot. Are you suggesting that women should hire security guards to protect themselves.

Looks like many men muslims or non muslims cant keep their tool inside their pants and behave like animals. These are the guys who should either wear burkha or stay home and do jogging or biking on same spot.

Dear marduke, problem is lack of concern for each other living for ourselves at the expense of each other lacking sense of community or brotherhood. A system based on rivalries cannot yield any other results than what get and have been getting. It matters not how you try to guard against such things without addressing the mindset and attitude of members in a human society.

You cannot control people through legislation alone. Rape is not only when people force each other physically but also when you take away their freedom of living as they should. If some people are forced by others politically or economy wise then result remains the same. A girl is raped by society when she is not given the equal right to fulfil her basic human needs. Force is force regardless it is applied directly or indirectly. If society does not organise itself in a way that helps it fulfil its needs then result cannot be other than plunder and pillage ie the idea of getting away with whatever you can. How is it that rich young or old have plenty of partners available to them but poor do not? So we cannot condemn one people and praise the others who are using another kind of force to get what they want that they have available to them.

regards and all the best.

[StrongLove]

Rape is done by evil men. Period. The problem is with the man who does it. He is sick. Even if he is denied a woman his entire life that does not justify rape. There is NO justification for rape.

islam places the responsibility on the woman. allah made woman so sexy a man cannot resist? BS ! Their hair is so alluring that a man cannot control himself so woman have to cover themselves? It tells me that the mind of the person who invented islam is mentally ill. Either allah or muhammad but one of the two.

[ringmaster]

Rape is done by evil men. Period. The problem is with the man who does it. He is sick. Even if he is denied a woman his entire life that does not justify rape. There is NO justification for rape.

islam places the responsibility on the woman. allah made woman so sexy a man cannot resist? BS ! Their hair is so alluring that a man cannot control himself so woman have to cover themselves? It tells me that the mind of the person who invented islam is mentally ill. Either allah or muhammad but one of the two.

Precisely.

Islam explicitly allows rape in verse 4-24.

[ringmaster]

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Dear marduke, problem is lack of concern for each other living for ourselves at the expense of each other lacking sense of community or brotherhood. A system based on rivalries cannot yield any other results than what get and have been getting. It matters not how you try to guard against such things without addressing the mindset and attitude of members in a human society.

You cannot control people through legislation alone. Rape is not only when people force each other physically but also when you take away their freedom of living as they should. If some people are forced by others politically or economy wise then result remains the same. A girl is raped by society when she is not given the equal right to fulfil her basic human needs. Force is force regardless it is applied directly or indirectly. If society does not organise itself in a way that helps it fulfil its needs then result cannot be other than plunder and pillage ie the idea of getting away with whatever you can. How is it that rich young or old have plenty of partners available to them but poor do not? So we cannot condemn one people and praise the others who are using another kind of force to get what they want that they have available to them.

regards and all the best.

Mughal......you can stop your bull crap lullaby. None of this soft talk of yours will change the fact the your filthy koran specifically allows rape, and that your prophet was a rapist himself.

Your don't have to say "my dear marduk" either. As a muslim, you must accept that marduk is guilty' of islam's worst sin (as am I), which is disbelief. Therefore you are duty bound to kill one or both of us should you ever have the opportunity. Your bitch boy allah says so.

May allah burn in hell.

[Idesigner]

How is it that rich young or old have plenty of partners available to them but poor do not? So we cannot condemn one people and praise the others who are using another kind of force to get what they want that they have available to them.

Dear Moghul,

I thought you were enlightened Koran only modern muslim.

Here you support rape by poor male who cant get laid.

Rich old and young might be buying sex services of prostitute. That doesnt give right to poor guy who cant get laid to rape women.If poor guy works and save money he also can get laid. Looks like you dont have any idea who rapes women in western societies where almost everyone can get laid if he has some brain. People dont screw female donkys or horses in this society because they dont get laid.

Remeber Mo when he was poor he didnt violate Jew or other women when he was poor.Once he had army and people who supported hom tthings changed.He got lots of messages from his Allah to force his will upon hapless female jewsses and women of other tribes. He started raping women once he had power, He had idiots like Abu the bakri and Oma the idot to defend him and watch for him when he raped.

In Wester culture statastic doesnt support rich vs poor so far rape is concerned. Often even married man and guys with girl friends rape women.

[ringmaster]

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In Wester culture statastic doesnt support rich vs poor so far rape is concerned. Often even married man and guys with girl friends rape women.

The difference is that we put scumbags like that in jail.

Under islamic law, rape is perfectly OK.

[Nazzim ibn Abu Talib]

Not just muslims but many people believe in this...like the Chinese

Shanghai subway, China's busiest system, posted on its micro-blog a photo of a young lady wearing a see-through dress over her underwear in subway, with words "If this is what you wear on subway, no wonder you will be harassed" on June 20. But it turned out to have sparked some strong reactions.

http://newscontent.cctv.com/news.jsp?fileId=147257

[Fernando]

Not just muslims but many people believe in this...like the Chinese

Another authoritarian society, of course.

[StrongLove]

Not just muslims but many people believe in this...like the Chinese

Shanghai subway, China's busiest system, posted on its micro-blog a photo of a young lady wearing a see-through dress over her underwear in subway, with words "If this is what you wear on subway, no wonder you will be harassed" on June 20. But it turned out to have sparked some strong reactions.

http://newscontent.cctv.com/news.jsp?fileId=147257

More misogynistic bullsh1t!

Is what she's warring sexy? HELL YEAH! Am I still in control of myself? Yes I am. If EVERY single woman on the planet walked around completely naked it would not force a single man to rape! He would CHOOSE to do so.

If you have compassion for your fellow human being you will not take an action that will cause them trauma. Rape causes extreme trauma to the human psyche. It causes permanent emotional harm to that person. Only a narcissistic psychopath or someone indoctrinated from youth would think that it's OK to rape under ANY circumstances!

[ringmaster]

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You cannot control people through legislation alone. ………………...

The koranic legislation has done a pretty good job of controlling muslims, which, since they are so stupid, is not surprising. And it sure as hell does not help when the Koran legislates rape in verse 4-24.


May allah burn in hell.

Rape is done by evil men. Period. The problem is with the man who does it. He is sick. Even if he is denied a woman his entire life that does not justify rape. There is NO justification for rape.

islam places the responsibility on the woman. allah made woman so sexy a man cannot resist? BS ! Their hair is so alluring that a man cannot control himself so woman have to cover themselves? It tells me that the mind of the person who invented islam is mentally ill. Either allah or muhammad but one of the two.

Absolutely correct. There have been societies throughout history in which scantily clad women is the norm.

I thought you were enlightened Koran only modern muslim.

Wow. Now there are a whole bunch of oxymorons wrapped up in one short sentence!!

Modern muslim?
Koran only muslim?
Enlightened muslim?
Enlightened Koran only muslim?

Here you support rape by poor male who cant get laid.

Rich old and young might be buying sex services of prostitute. That doesnt give right to poor guy who cant get laid to rape women.If poor guy works and save money he also can get laid. Looks like you dont have any idea who rapes women in western societies where almost everyone can get laid if he has some brain. People dont screw female donkys or horses in this society because they dont get laid.

Remeber Mo when he was poor he didnt violate Jew or other women when he was poor.Once he had army and people who supported hom tthings changed.He got lots of messages from his Allah to force his will upon hapless female jewsses and women of other tribes. He started raping women once he had power, He had idiots like Abu the bakri and Oma the idot to defend him and watch for him when he raped.

Rape is allowed by verse 4-24, as is the use of a prostitute. In fact, that verse essentially says that all women are whores.

Not just muslims but many people believe in this...like the Chinese

Shanghai subway, China's busiest system, posted on its micro-blog a photo of a young lady wearing a see-through dress over her underwear in subway, with words "If this is what you wear on subway, no wonder you will be harassed" on June 20. But it turned out to have sparked some strong reactions.

http://newscontent.cctv.com/news.jsp?fileId=147257

It seems that your mind has not fully recovered from growing up amid an Islamic mentality. None of that excuses rape. Furthermore, it’s Tu QuoQue.

Anyhow, Chinese are more enlightened than muslims. Chinese and Indians are not hung up about sex the way Arabs are. Many Chinese are sexy, and there is not a damn thing wrong with a woman showing herself to be attractive. Hindus gave us the gift of Kama Sutra, which is one hell of a lot more enlightened that Khomeini waxing lyrical about bonking sheep and goats.

Anyhow, no woman should have to apologize for the way she is made.

Other societies have existed in history where scantily clad women is the norm (eg,. Polynesia and Amazonia). When people become used to looking at sexy women, they just shrug it off.

Colombia, where I live, is full of sexy women. They don’t mind reminding us men about it either.

Not just muslims but many people believe in this...like the Chinese

Shanghai subway, China's busiest system, posted on its micro-blog a photo of a young lady wearing a see-through dress over her underwear in subway, with words "If this is what you wear on subway, no wonder you will be harassed" on June 20. But it turned out to have sparked some strong reactions.

http://newscontent.cctv.com/news.jsp?fileId=147257

More misogynistic bullsh1t!

Is what she's warring sexy? HELL YEAH! Am I still in control of myself? Yes I am. If EVERY single woman on the planet walked around completely naked it would not force a single man to rape! He would CHOOSE to do so.

If you have compassion for your fellow human being you will not take an action that will cause them trauma. Rape causes extreme trauma to the human psyche. It causes permanent emotional harm to that person. Only a narcissistic psychopath or someone indoctrinated from youth would think that it's OK to rape under ANY circumstances!

Point.

Set.

Match.

[Nazzim ibn Abu Talib]

Not just muslims but many people believe in this...like the Chinese

Shanghai subway, China's busiest system, posted on its micro-blog a photo of a young lady wearing a see-through dress over her underwear in subway, with words "If this is what you wear on subway, no wonder you will be harassed" on June 20. But it turned out to have sparked some strong reactions.

http://newscontent.cctv.com/news.jsp?fileId=147257

It seems that your mind has not fully recovered from growing up amid an Islamic mentality. None of that excuses rape. Furthermore, it’s Tu QuoQue.

Anyhow, Chinese are more enlightened than muslims. Chinese and Indians are not hung up about sex the way Arabs are. Many Chinese are sexy, and there is not a damn thing wrong with a woman showing herself to be attractive. Hindus gave us the gift of Kama Sutra, which is one hell of a lot more enlightened that Khomeini waxing lyrical about bonking sheep and goats.

Anyhow, no woman should have to apologize for the way she is made.

Other societies have existed in history where scantily clad women is the norm (eg,. Polynesia and Amazonia). When people become used to looking at sexy women, they just shrug it off.

Please, don't be so defensive. I never said I support those beliefs, I don't. But in most human societies males have had patronizing attitude. The linking of sexual assault to how a woman dresses is not exclusive to Islam, I remember one girl from Ramat Gan (Israel) was once telling me that Israeli govt was considering bringing a modesty law but it was shelved. I was just pointing out...

Colombia, where I live, is full of sexy women. They don’t mind reminding us men about it either.

After seeing Shakira I can bet on that