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Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby Ariel » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:49 pm

Narrated by Ibn Abbas:
‘I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali.


What was good for Mohammed is good for Muslims.

Egypt’s women urge MPs not to pass early marriage, sex-after-death laws: report

Egypt’s National Council for Women (NCW) has appealed to the Islamist-dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within six hours of her death according to a report in an Egyptian newspaper.

The appeal came in a message sent by Dr. Mervat al-Talawi, head of the NCW, to the Egyptian People’s Assembly Speaker, Dr. Saad al-Katatni, addressing the woes of Egyptian women, especially after the popular uprising that toppled president Hosni Mubarak in February 2011.

She was referring to two laws: one that would legalize the marriage of girls starting from the age of 14 and the other that permits a husband to have sex with his dead wife within the six hours following her death.

According to Egyptian columnist Amro Abdul Samea in al-Ahram, Talawi’s message included an appeal to parliament to avoid the controversial legislations that rid women of their rights of getting education and employment, under alleged religious interpretations.

“Talawi tried to underline in her message that marginalizing and undermining the status of women in future development plans would undoubtedly negatively affect the country’s human development, simply because women represent half the population,” Abdul Samea said in his article.

The controversy about a husband having sex with his dead wife came about after a Moroccan cleric spoke about the issue in May 2011.

Zamzami Abdul Bari said that marriage remains valid even after death adding that a woman also too had the same right to engage in sex with her dead husband.

Two years ago, Zamzami incited further controversy in Morocco when he said it was permissible for pregnant women to drink alcohol.

But it seems his view on partners having sex with their deceased partners has found its way to Egypt one year on.

Egyptian prominent journalist and TV anchor Jaber al-Qarmouty on Tuesday referred to Abdul Samea’s article in his daily show on Egyptian ON TV and criticized the whole notion of “permitting a husband to have sex with his wife after her death under a so-called ‘Farewell Intercourse’ draft law.”

“This is very serious. Could the panel that will draft the Egyptian constitution possibly discuss such issues? Did Abdul Samea see by his own eyes the text of the message sent by Talawi to Katatni? This is unbelievable. It is a catastrophe to give the husband such a right! Has the Islamic trend reached that far? Is there really a draft law in this regard? Are there people thinking in this manner?”

Many members of the newly-elected, and majority Islamist parliament, have been accused of launching attacks against women’s rights in the country.

They wish to cancel many, if not most, of the laws that promote women’s rights, most notably a law that allows a wife to obtain a divorce without obstructions from her partner. The implementation of the Islamic right to divorce law, also known as the Khula, ended years of hardship and legal battles women would have to endure when trying to obtain a divorce.

Egyptian law grants men the right to terminate a marriage, but grants women the opportunity to end an unhappy or abusive marriages without the obstruction of their partner. Prior to the implementation of the Khula over a decade ago, it could take 10 to 15 years for a woman to be granted a divorce by the courts.

Islamist members of Egyptian parliament, however, accuse these laws of “aiming to destroy families” and have said it was passed to please the former first lady of the fallen regime, Suzanne Mubarak, who devoted much of her attention to the issues of granting the women all her rights.

The parliamentary attacks on women’s rights has drawn great criticism from women’s organizations, who dismissed the calls and accused the MPs of wishing to destroy the little gains Egyptian women attained after long years of organized struggle.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 10198.html
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby yeezevee » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:11 pm

Ariel wrote:Narrated by Ibn Abbas:
‘I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali.


What was good for Mohammed is good for Muslims.

Egypt’s women urge MPs not to pass early marriage, sex-after-death laws: report
.......................
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 10198.html


watch him talk





Yap..

"Sex with Corpse

Feed adults your wife's breast milk..

Eat spit of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)

There will be a flag fixed behind the buttocks of every person guilty of the breach of faith.

Don't drink water when you are standing

A fly in your drink cures disease

Clean your nose three times, otherwise devil makes your nose as its home.."
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Egypt’s ‘Farewell Intercourse’ law - sex with dead wives

Postby zimtor » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:37 am

Can you call this madness ?

Egypt’s ‘Farewell Intercourse’ law allowing sex with dead wives sparks fury
London, April 27, 2012

Egypt’s new Islamist-dominated parliament is preparing to introduce a controversial law that would allow husbands to have sex with their deceased wives up to six hours after death.

Known as the "farewell Intercourse" law, the measure is being championed as part of a raft of reforms introduced by the parliament that will also see the minimum age of marriage lowered to 14 for girls.

Egypt’s National Council for Women is campaigning against the changes, saying that ‘marginalising and undermining the status of women would negatively affect the country’s human development'.

Dr Mervat al-Talawi, head of the NCW, wrote to the Egyptian People’s assembly speaker Dr Saad al-Katatni addressing her concerns.

Egyptian journalist Amro Abdul Samea reported in the al Ahram newspaper that Talawi complained about the legislations, which are being introduced under ‘alleged religious interpretations’.

The subject of a husband having sex with his dead wife arose in May 2011 when Moroccan cleric Zamzami Abdul Bari said marriage remains valid even after death.

He also said that women have the right to have sex with her dead husband, alarabiya.net reported.

It seems the topic, which has sparked outrage, has now been picked up on by Egypt’s politicians.

TV anchor Jaber al Qarmouty slammed the notion of letting a husband have sex with his wife after her death under the so-called ‘Farewell Intercourse’ draft law.

“This is very serious. Could the panel that will draft the Egyptian constitution possibly discuss such issues? Did Abdul Samea see by his own eyes the text of the message sent by Talawi to Katatni?,” the Daily Mail quoted him as telling the website.
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Re: Egypt’s ‘Farewell Intercourse’ law - sex with dead wives

Postby ringmaster » Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:26 pm

zimtor wrote:Can you call this madness ?

Egypt’s ‘Farewell Intercourse’ law allowing sex with dead wives sparks fury
London, April 27, 2012

Egypt’s new Islamist-dominated parliament is preparing to introduce a controversial law that would allow husbands to have sex with their deceased wives up to six hours after death.

Known as the "farewell Intercourse" law, the measure is being championed as part of a raft of reforms introduced by the parliament that will also see the minimum age of marriage lowered to 14 for girls.

Egypt’s National Council for Women is campaigning against the changes, saying that ‘marginalising and undermining the status of women would negatively affect the country’s human development'.

Dr Mervat al-Talawi, head of the NCW, wrote to the Egyptian People’s assembly speaker Dr Saad al-Katatni addressing her concerns.

Egyptian journalist Amro Abdul Samea reported in the al Ahram newspaper that Talawi complained about the legislations, which are being introduced under ‘alleged religious interpretations’.

The subject of a husband having sex with his dead wife arose in May 2011 when Moroccan cleric Zamzami Abdul Bari said marriage remains valid even after death.

He also said that women have the right to have sex with her dead husband, alarabiya.net reported.

It seems the topic, which has sparked outrage, has now been picked up on by Egypt’s politicians.

TV anchor Jaber al Qarmouty slammed the notion of letting a husband have sex with his wife after her death under the so-called ‘Farewell Intercourse’ draft law.

“This is very serious. Could the panel that will draft the Egyptian constitution possibly discuss such issues? Did Abdul Samea see by his own eyes the text of the message sent by Talawi to Katatni?,” the Daily Mail quoted him as telling the website.


I really don’t understand what all the fuss would be about in an islamic country. After all, didn’t the prophet bed down with a dead woman? Are muslims not supposed to follow the example of their prophet?
The prophet of Islam was nothing more than a common criminal.

Please tell me if this is accurate:

“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby ringmaster » Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:29 pm

zimtor wrote:[…………………..

He also said that women have the right to have sex with her dead husband, alarabiya.net reported.

…………………….



Now that is funny. Somehow, I just cannot imagine something like viagra working to give a stiffy to dead man.

Maybe they should did up the prophet’s grave and try to make it work on him??
The prophet of Islam was nothing more than a common criminal.

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“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby piscohot » Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:40 am

....... :nono: ........ :shock: ....... :wacko:

Islam damages the brain.

period
Quran miracle (16:69) : Bees eat ALL fruits
Quran miracle (27:18) : an ant SAID, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby Ghaith » Sun May 06, 2012 8:42 pm

Arial you can lie all you want. The Necrofilie claim was refuted and destroyed here http://forum09.faithfreedom.org//viewtopic.php?f=22&t=12479
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby Ariel » Sun May 06, 2012 8:48 pm

Yos1994 wrote:Arial you can lie all you want. The Necrofilie claim was refuted and destroyed here http://forum09.faithfreedom.org//viewtopic.php?f=22&t=12479



Go and tell Zamzami Abdul Bari ...He speaks the same language as you. He is also a Moroccan .
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby peterpin » Sun May 06, 2012 9:23 pm

Now that is funny. Somehow, I just cannot imagine something like viagra working to give a stiffy to dead man.

:scratch:

Well....

my understanding is, if you place a male corspe into a certain position before rigor mortis sets in, he will develop a permanent erection...

apparently it's called "angel lust"...

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Dead-Men-Can-Really-Have-Erection-Sometimes-They-Ejaculate-too-77649.shtml

also
some causes of death can also sometimes produce an erection, such as hanging or a gunshot into the brain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_erection


gross...


I wonder, if a husband and wife die at the same time, in an accident,and the man has developed this curious conditions, are relatives/undertakers obliged to assist in a "farewell intercourse"?

I have heard some mad things, but this must be one of the craziest ones...
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby Ghaith » Sun May 06, 2012 9:28 pm

Ariel wrote:
Yos1994 wrote:Arial you can lie all you want. The Necrofilie claim was refuted and destroyed here http://forum09.faithfreedom.org//viewtopic.php?f=22&t=12479



Go and tell Zamzami Abdul Bari ...He speaks the same language as you. He is also a Moroccan .


So because one Moroccan says something its suddenly true? All i am saying is do proper research before you make a false claim Arial. url]http://forum09.faithfreedom.org//viewtopic.php?f=22&t=12479[/url] This case was laid to rest step by step. Its was anoter lie made by

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This Botros is a liar who are to scared to debate religion and hides behind his tv show, mistranslating and making up stuff so not so bright people like you Ariel get tricked.

Sad stuff really :ermm:
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby peterpin » Sun May 06, 2012 9:57 pm

yos,
I had another look at that thread you mentioned...
It seems that Mohammed slept in the coffin with his dead aunt, according to the hadith given, That is what is says. It does not say there was any sex involved, nor does it say that there was not. It is neither specifically mentioned nor explicitly excluded.

You then sanitise the story, but do not give any evidence why your re-write fits the fact better than the original.

Now we have this story about an Imam,who I assume knows Islam very well, probably even better than you, suggests that sex after death can be allowed in certain circumstances, and Islamic politicians in Egypt consider a law allowing sex with a corpse in some circumstances, would you believe...

If this issue was so clearly debunked, as you say, where on earth do these devout Muslims get these ideas from?

Either they have all gone quite mad or this hadith is not as preposterous as you like us to think...
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby ringmaster » Sun May 06, 2012 10:04 pm

peterpin wrote:........................

If this issue was so clearly debunked, as you say, where on earth do these devout Muslims get these ideas from?



Therein lies the problem. The story has not been debunked.

peterpin wrote:Either they have all gone quite mad or this hadith is not as preposterous as you like us to think...



They have actually gone quite mad because they believe in the prophet.
The prophet of Islam was nothing more than a common criminal.

Please tell me if this is accurate:

“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby Ghaith » Sun May 06, 2012 10:38 pm

peterpin wrote:yos,
I had another look at that thread you mentioned...
It seems that Mohammed slept in the coffin with his dead aunt, according to the hadith given, That is what is says. It does not say there was any sex involved, nor does it say that there was not. It is neither specifically mentioned nor explicitly excluded.

You then sanitise the story, but do not give any evidence why your re-write fits the fact better than the original.

Now we have this story about an Imam,who I assume knows Islam very well, probably even better than you, suggests that sex after death can be allowed in certain circumstances, and Islamic politicians in Egypt consider a law allowing sex with a corpse in some circumstances, would you believe...

If this issue was so clearly debunked, as you say, where on earth do these devout Muslims get these ideas from?

Either they have all gone quite mad or this hadith is not as preposterous as you like us to think...

:lol:
Ok Peter lets take it a step futher.

The narration which is used is from a book named Kanza ul Amal. I have never heard of this book, it is never used. It was never heard of. Until that satan worshipper Zakaria brought it up.

First of Idtaja’ (اضطجع ) does not mean I SLEPT Lie number 1

As i stated
According to Almaany English Arabic Dictionary[3]

- have gone to bed; be sleeping
- to fall asleep
- be tired and almost asleep
- go to bed
- to be at rest on something; (of a thing) rest flat on a surface
- recline so as to rest
- to have a short rest; assume a lying position
- to lie down, recline
- take a recess
- lean or lie back in a horizontal position
- become less anxious, worried, or formal in manner; be at ease
- rest; lie
- be still or asleep; stop moving or woeking
- sleep or slumber
- be in a state of a sleep
- put or go to bed; provide bedding for
http://www.almaany.com/home.php?languag ... ype_word=0

Also used in the bible

(2 kings 4:32)When Elisha reached the house, there was the boy lying dead on his couch.


ودخل اليشع البيت واذا بالصبي ميت ومضطجع على سريره.
(2kings 4:32 arabic)

This is easily destroyed because she was Prophet's foster mother.

The liar goes saying this hadith is in 6 other books.

But the liar doesnt give the name of the 6 other books.

This book is in 1 infamous book including this fabricated hadith

So this is a rootless claim in a book.

Kanza ul Amal.

Lets do some research on this book

This book was written in the 16th century.

This book written by one person and finished by another.

Al-Muttaqī was born 888 AH, CE 1472 in Burhanpur which is a town situated in modern day Southern Madhya Pardesh on the banks of the river Tapti, India.[citation needed] ‘Alī al-Muttaqī writes in his autobiography that when he was eight years old, it occurred to him father to enroll him in the service of Shaykh Bajan. The Shaykh instructed him in samā‘ and Shaykh ‘Abd al-Raḥīm Bajan taught me adhkār [pl. of "dhikr"]. ‘Ali al- Muttaqī soon after earned his living as a scribe. He travelled to different regions of Hindustan and travelled to Multan to meet Shaykh Ḥisām al-Dīn al-Muttaqī and stayed under his guardianship, here he was instructed in Taṣawwuf. ‘Alī al-Muttaqī then travelled to Makkah and stayed in the company of Abu al-Ḥasan al-Bakrī al-Ṣiddīqī, from whom he acquired knowledge of hadith and Taṣawwuf. ‘Alī al- Muttaqī wrote some of his early works in Makkah. ‘Alī al-Muttaqī also studied with the famous scholar of hadith Shaykh Shihāb al-Dīn Aḥmad bin Hajar al-Makkī. ‘Alī al-Muttaqī returned twice to India to Gujarat which was ruled by Maḥmūd Shāh who was an admirer of the Shaykh.
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby peterpin » Sun May 06, 2012 11:22 pm

The hadith depicting Muhammad lying next to a dead woman in her grave is present in 6 Islamic books including Al-Hindi v. 13, p. 274 and Al-Asbahani v.1, p.488.

“The Messenger of Allah took off his shirt and put it on Umm Ali, and slept with her in her grave.”


(The Arabic word used here for slept is "Id'tajat," and literally means "lay down" with her. It is often used to mean, "Lay down to have sex.")

Hadith categories called “Intercourse with a Dead Woman” can also be found in Islamic books including Al-Sharwani v.1, p. 263.


“Do not re-wash the deceased after having intercourse with.”

“Do not put any limit on the intercourse with a dead woman.”


The fact that these hadiths can be found in Islamic books tells that they are indeed part of the Islamic traditions, and Mohammed did have sex with the dead. I think it's only now that Muslims are objecting to the hadiths because the civilized world condemns necrophilia. If Mohammad's having sex with the dead were blasphemous then, the hadiths would not have been included in the Islamic books.


http://rt.com/news/egypt-sex-dead-wife-054/

Sounds pretty clear to me...
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby ringmaster » Mon May 07, 2012 12:13 am

peterpin wrote:
The hadith depicting Muhammad lying next to a dead woman in her grave is present in 6 Islamic books including Al-Hindi v. 13, p. 274 and Al-Asbahani v.1, p.488.

“The Messenger of Allah took off his shirt and put it on Umm Ali, and slept with her in her grave.”


(The Arabic word used here for slept is "Id'tajat," and literally means "lay down" with her. It is often used to mean, "Lay down to have sex.")

Hadith categories called “Intercourse with a Dead Woman” can also be found in Islamic books including Al-Sharwani v.1, p. 263.


“Do not re-wash the deceased after having intercourse with.”

“Do not put any limit on the intercourse with a dead woman.”


The fact that these hadiths can be found in Islamic books tells that they are indeed part of the Islamic traditions, and Mohammed did have sex with the dead. I think it's only now that Muslims are objecting to the hadiths because the civilized world condemns necrophilia. If Mohammad's having sex with the dead were blasphemous then, the hadiths would not have been included in the Islamic books.


http://rt.com/news/egypt-sex-dead-wife-054/

Sounds pretty clear to me...


Yes it does sound clear.....and it also helps explain why we have koran-only muslims trying to sanitize islam.

Trouble is, the koran tells muslims to obey and emulate their prophet. So I am little disappointed with Yos. I thought that he, being a good muslim, would be trying to explain to us why sex with a dead woman would be good.
The prophet of Islam was nothing more than a common criminal.

Please tell me if this is accurate:

“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby Ghaith » Mon May 07, 2012 11:11 am

peterpin wrote:
The hadith depicting Muhammad lying next to a dead woman in her grave is present in 6 Islamic books including Al-Hindi v. 13, p. 274 and Al-Asbahani v.1, p.488.

“The Messenger of Allah took off his shirt and put it on Umm Ali, and slept with her in her grave.”


(The Arabic word used here for slept is "Id'tajat," and literally means "lay down" with her. It is often used to mean, "Lay down to have sex.")

Hadith categories called “Intercourse with a Dead Woman” can also be found in Islamic books including Al-Sharwani v.1, p. 263.


“Do not re-wash the deceased after having intercourse with.”

“Do not put any limit on the intercourse with a dead woman.”


The fact that these hadiths can be found in Islamic books tells that they are indeed part of the Islamic traditions, and Mohammed did have sex with the dead. I think it's only now that Muslims are objecting to the hadiths because the civilized world condemns necrophilia. If Mohammad's having sex with the dead were blasphemous then, the hadiths would not have been included in the Islamic books.


http://rt.com/news/egypt-sex-dead-wife-054/

Sounds pretty clear to me...


The nr 1 hypocrite award goes to peterpin. You cry about the gospel of Barnabas but when a book written in the 16 century 1000years after Muhammads dead you dont mind using it.

Just as you are good in greek im good in arabic, but since you wont belive me here the proof.
http://www.almaany.com/home.php?language=english&lang_name=Arabic&word=%D8%A7%D8%B6%D8%B7%D8%AC%D8%B9&type_word=0

It doesnt mean to lay down for sex, this is not the english language where you say "got laid". But this still doesnt change the fact the hadith was writte in 16th century. And is strongly fabricated.
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby peterpin » Mon May 07, 2012 11:31 am

The nr 1 hypocrite award goes to peterpin. You cry about the gospel of Barnabas but when a book written in the 16 century 1000years after Muhammads dead you dont mind using it.


What on earth are you talking about. I have not yet mentioned when this text was written, and I certainly never said 16th century. And I am using it to show you that it is a forgery. Even other Muslims scholars say that. And what has that to do with this issue.?

Just as you are good in greek im good in arabic, but since you wont belive me here the proof.
http://www.almaany.com/home.php?languag ... ype_word=0

It doesnt mean to lay down for sex, this is not the english language where you say "got laid". But this still doesnt change the fact the hadith was writte in 16th century. And is strongly fabricated.


Well,it seems that not all native Arabic speakers agree on that...
And there are 5 other books,it said..., and I quoted oneof those...
and then, if it is all bogus, why would this be an issue in Egypt today?

Do you agree with "farewell intercourse"?

Phew,this topic really is disgusting...
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby Ghaith » Mon May 07, 2012 3:02 pm

And what has that to do with this issue.?

You are using Kanza ul Amal. A book written by a non Arab in the 16th Century. And to top it all of you are using a translation done by a christian.

why would this be an issue in Egypt today?

Dont involve politics in the issue, how do we even know Necrofilie is brought up in Egypt? USA allows soldiers to have sex with animals. So what the goverment do should not involve Religion


Phew,this topic really is disgusting...

What is disgusting is you using a fabricated book from the 16th century.

And there are not 5 books, this is a lie by Zaka-liar Butros.
If there was 5 books he would have given the name of all 5 and not just the one from a unknown book written in the 16th century.
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby peterpin » Mon May 07, 2012 3:52 pm

Dont involve politics in the issue, how do we even know Necrofilie is brought up in Egypt? USA allows soldiers to have sex with animals. So what the goverment do should not involve Religion


But politics is the point! It does not even matter if Mohammed really did this; what matters if there are people who BELIEVE he did and think it is something that should be followed or allowed because of that.

You told us the went to check if the grave or coffin was big enough. Well, the question is not really whether that is true (I prefer to think that it is as the alternative is truly disgusting), the question is who thinks its true:

There seems to be a group of Muslims in Egypt (and Morocco) who thing it is and therefore have a need to try to get a law that allows sex with a dead body in some circumstances...

The tragedy is that this story, even if it is baloney, is being turned into a rule for people to live by. TODAY!!

Don't you think this is really bad? Shouldn't we know better. I totally agree with you that religion of any kind should be kept out of politics.

And about this sex with animals thing, show me where the US government does that. (Please no pictures, I have a delicate stomach...)

By the way, even the most insane government would not pass such a law,I hope; they may debate it perhaps, but then probably bin it.
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Re: Meanwhile in Egypte. Necrofilie = halal

Postby Ghaith » Mon May 07, 2012 4:20 pm

Thing there are some muslims (i have seen this) who will belive anything in Islam, when they heard the hadith from Zaka-liar they belived so they went on fight to allowing it.
I how ever did research and found another story and found that its written in 1 book only not 5 as Zaka-liar said. Also that the Book was written in the 16th century and is fabricated, further more the hadith doesnt even say it was sex but laid down. So either way its wrong and not an alternative.)

The sad part is you easily belived Zaka-liar. And a hadith written in the 16th century.


http://www.military.com/news/article/2011/legality-of-bestiality-becomes-surprise-military-controversy.html
http://rt.com/usa/news/bestiality-military-sodomy-act-285/
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/senate-approves-bill-legalizes-sodomy-and-bestiality-us-military
http://godfatherpolitics.com/2428/us-senate-approves-sex-with-animals-for-military-personnel/

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