petition to ban quran in Spain accepted

[peterpin]

The letter below reads:

Dear Petitioner,

I am informing you that the Commission for Petitions for Parliament on the session of the 10th April 2012 has taken note of your petition, and once examined, has adopted the decision to agree that it should be continued under the following reference:

Ref:280/000877/0000
Author: Mr Imran Firasat
Subject: Request that the quran may be be prohibited in Spain


AGREED:
Move to
Secretary/Spokesman for the Commission for the constitution

Yours faithlully

The President for the commission for Petitions

Now, let's get the popcorn out and watch...

[paxi christi]

who said EL CID was dead and buried.

[marduk]

Great, that's how you keep Muslims out of your country the easy way. If they can't have a Quran in your country they aren't going to go there. They can't be apart from their idol/magic book for even one day. The book can be successfully banned quite easily, just on the grounds of obscenity. Marrying children and cousins is unacceptable in most western nations. So is promoting hatred of an identifiable group, like unbelievers. Once Spain succeeds in driving off all Muslims by this method, other countries will follow.

This is the beginning of something great, an easy non-violent method of getting rid of Muslims from your country. We can win this way. It's Islam's weakness. Their "holy book" is so filthy that it makes Catcher in the Rye look like Peter Pan.

You might say that the Bible is also worthy of banning, with plenty of disgusting stuff in there too. Then maybe ask for the banning on the grounds that the Quran specifically orders its readers to "obey the Messenger", and it tells us that "the Messenger" is none other than Muhammad, the author of the book. So the Quran tells its readers to obey its author. There must be some kind of law against books that literally order the reader to do a bunch of weird and often violent stuff and threatens to torture your soul if you refuse. Can that be acceptable in a civilized country? Is it okay to threaten to burn off your soul's skin then make it grow a new set and then burn it off again? I think not.

Here's some info for US residents.

Obscene Literature and the Miller Test

Even after the U.S. Congress adopted the First Amendment in 1791, the nicknamed Comstock Acts of 1873 barred obscene literature from interstate commerce. Today, the constitution does not protect obscene literature. Miller v. California established a three-point test for obscenity. To meet the standards, the text must:

Appeal to prurient interests when taken as a whole
Involve patently offensive sexual conducts
Contain no literary, artistic, political or scientific value

This heavy burden of proof for obscenity rests with the party desiring censorship to ensure that freedom of speech and the press are not silenced [source: Cornell University Law School]. The Miller test also helps prevent prior restraint, or preventing people from writing and printing because of the legal threat. It also reduces the chilling effect of censorship that constrains the expression and reception of information. Thanks to this legal interpretation, books such as "Lolita" and "Ulysses" that the United States initially banned from circulation were eventually released.
http://history.howstuffworks.com/americ ... nning2.htm

pru·ri·ent
   [proor-ee-uhnt]
adjective
1.
having, inclined to have, or characterized by lascivious or lustful thoughts, desires, etc.
2.
causing lasciviousness or lust.
3.
having a restless desire or longing.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prurient

[peterpin]

I wouldn't get too excited yet...

They haven't decided they will do it, only talk about it. Spain has also its share of multi-cultural liberals who preach the Islam-religion of peace thing. My guess there will be a debate in parliament,and then the whole thing will be buried as quickly as possible, particuarly when there is a bomb or two. If Muslims have learnt one thing in Spain, it's that violence works. See the Madrid train bombing for details.


Also, a ban of the quran is very difficult to enforce. How can you ensure that the quran is really gone? Seach every Muslim house?

Ferndinand and Isabella's method worked, but the EU will not put up with that today.

[ringmaster]

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Ferndinand and Isabella's method worked, but the EU will not put up with that today.

If Europe is to survive as a secular civilization, Ferdinand and Isabela's methods may very well have to be applied in many places in Europe, not just in Spain.

[peterpin]

If Europe is to survive as a secular civilization, Ferdinand and Isabela's methods may very well have to be applied in many places in Europe, not just in Spain.

Sadly, this problem escapes most European politicians, and I think it's too late. Nothing would please me more than to be proved wrong on that.

I am emigrating...

[Sten]

I don't approve of banning books. If I want to read or own a Quran I should be able to read or own one.

[paxi christi]

I don't approve of banning books. If I want to read or own a Quran I should be able to read or own one.

i dont think its a good thing to ban any book at all sten.

but what it does is makes the people curious to why the proposal of banning it has been put forward.
it may get people to read it and then they can see its nothing more than a war manual against jews and kuffars...

unless the masses are still fed this religion of peace crap..of the government/establishment.

theyshould read the adult version of it,not the watered down dawah version....

[marduk]

So you think kids should be able to read the Quran? If an evil wizard created a book that could magically put their readers into a state of mind control with the commands to take over the world, do you think kids should be able to read it? How about if I wrote a book that said "Jews are evil and should be killed at every opportunity"? Would it be okay with you for me to go around handing it out? How about if I said that I, a non-Jew, have been appointed by the Jews' own god to be his last and greatest prophet and that now God hates the Jews and says Jesus was just one more prophet and had nothing to say that is worth repeating or commenting on? Would it be okay for me to tell the world in a book that the god of Judaism and Christianity has also appointed me absolute dictator of the entire human species and if my orders are disobeyed then the Jew/Christian god will punish the outlaws with gruesome tortures? What if I said that if anyone even criticises my book in any way that my followers should kill them? Would the book still be okay with you? What exactly would I have to write in a book for you to consider it too dangerous to the weak minded to be allowed to be made publicly available?

[paxi christi]

have you read the kora at al//

if so what did you learn/understand of it.what was the theme that was rhythmic all the way through it.

did it expose it for what it really is?

if so why cant a adult explain this to a child of theirs if they choose to read it.

have you seen the films they make in hollywood??? f4ck me dead.they are evil.but the kids watch them.

but they dont replicate them.

but if the parents believed in them and said it was from god and his messenger says he and you have to do this or you are going to hell.thats what they will do..

marduk.

is that not the best way? let them read,everybody...

but you cannot stop the questioning of islam.

you cannot stop the offending,jokes and all and sundry.

[peterpin]

Banning it would result in a huge surge in interest in it.

Statistically, in which country on the planet do people download the most porn movies per person? Saudi Arabia. Why? Because it is forbidden.

Muslims would feign victimhood, and milk the situation to get as many recruits and other advantages as possible. How can you hide something freely available on the internet?

Possibly a ban would make the dullest book ever written into a "cool" thing for kids...

I don't think it will be banned. Still, the debate will put the issues on the table, as Wilder's little movie did, some years back. At last awareness will start to take root.

[ringmaster]

have you read the kora at al//

if so what did you learn/understand of it.what was the theme that was rhythmic all the way through it.

did it expose it for what it really is?

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What most people, including muslims, fail to understand is that the only parts of the koran that matter are the latter Medina verses.

Everything before them (chronologically) is abrogated.

[marduk]

Yeah, I read the Quran. It says not to worship any other gods with Allah (doesn't say that no other gods are real), pray, give to the poor, do a sissy daytime fast for one measly month and take a trip to Mecca. That took one page. Then all the rest is stuff about current events in Muhammad's life, with Allah providing permission for whatever Muhammad wants at the time, and the remaining 10% is Allah flattering himself with phrases like "Allah is all knowing, wise".

Personally, I would prefer the version of the Quran which existed in heaven since the creation. I don't want the version that is more biography of Muhammad than anything about Allah. By including himself in a holy scripture, Muhammad has made himself equal to Allah, his "partner" if you will. He thinks people actually care about what happened in HIS life. Wrongo. We could have got by quite nicely without reading about him getting permission to marry anything that moves. How did that glorify Allah or help us avoid hellfire? All it did was make us go "ewwww". Why did Allah want to gross mankind out? Way more information than we needed, Allah.

Curiously, the Arabs didn't have a problem with the idea that Allah would make Muhammad the star of the Quran, rather than himself. It seems that the Arabs were a very accommodating people, at least after the booty started rolling in. To this very day they talk about Muhammad more than they talk about Allah. If somebody draws a cartoon of Muhammad they riot, but what if someone draws one of God? They never riot over the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. That shows Allah with his arm around a sexy lady, shocking.



http://100falcons.wordpress.com/2010/07 ... ne-chapel/

[[defenderben]]

is this true?

[ringmaster]

is this true?

hey..welcome to the forum..

I like your signature. The verse you quote says that whoremaster allah is not to be trusted. How a propos!!!!!

[marduk]

They didn't show any signs at all. Failed Muhammad prophesy.

[antineoETC]

I don't for a minute believe that those behind this effort seriously WANT to ban the Qur'an. It is a good way to highlight certain issues around that baleful book of threats and violence against disbelievers - most saliently the hypocrisy of Muslims the world over who demand "respect" and "freedom" with menaces for a creed that neither advocates nor practices it towards "The Other" (to borrow a famous term coined by a famous dhimmi) and constantly seek to have all mockery and criticism of their cult and its "prophet" suppressed with the full power of the state.

[Ibn Rushd]

Ferdinand and Isabella didn't expel the Muslims in 1492, only converted them. They were kicked out in 1609 after the whole fiasco in the 1500s when they were calling on the Ottomans for help, revolting and killing, and acting as a 5th column.