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In Pakistan, they just kill Hindus. I'm not sure whether the reverse happens in what is still India.
According to an article written by one supposedly independent international journalist named Mr Alex etc at the counter currents,per police records during the first 50 years of India's independence,33,000 people got killed in religious riots between Hindus and Muslims with the number of Muslims killed being 3 times more than the number of Hindus,however Muslims were always the first to initiate rioting in most cases.The figure is a miniscule when one compares the fact that population of the country had been continuously soaring upto one billion with population of Muslims booming from 10% in 1947 to almost 14% some fifty years later.In Pakistan , the percentage of Hindus has been going down continuously and has now become abysmal or negligible as one can put it in scientific terms.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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That article written by Mr.Alex gave a very negative opinion about Hindus.Perhaps he can sympathise with Muslims as Christianity also originally began as a cult that gained currency in Graeco-Roman world first by initiating rioting and later by gaining the Emperor's grace and eliminating all competition by monopolising the business of belief in the supernatural in the entire Roman Empire.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Now the tradition of burning a widow on her husband's pyre is called by the English as Suttee,but its actual pronounciation in Sanskrit is Sati. In its full form it is called Satee sahagamanam.Which literally means the co-passage or co-arrival of the wife with her husband in the hereafter.

Is there any scriptural basis in the form of a story for that tradition?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXSI-ZHIW0k

The above video shows an evidence of goddess Sati(literally meaning wife or the truthful one),wife of God Shiva immolating herself in fire rather than put up with an insult to her husband.Her husband's honor reigns even more supreme than her very life.

As women of aristocracy are taken as booty in the aftermath of wars or battles,if they are to preserve the honor of their husbands,they must immolate themselves.

Now that line of thinking might appear strange but one Australian forummer of old forum with Greek Origin named hrdgrk said while answering another supposed Greek forummer osmanthus that instead of his grandma becoming a concubine in the Turkish harem,it would have been better if she killed herself.There were also known historical instances of Orthodox Christian women committing suicide by jumping off cliffs when they about to become war booty.

So while there might not exist any scriptural basis in Christianity other than what St.Cyril put it in that their souls become enslaved even in the hereafter,that is common human behavior.The same thing gets carried forward in the normal day to day routines of the society post war.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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glitch justified whatever unsavoury things supposedly done by God of Old Testament by saying that you people are just looking at the evil things done by God,but ignoring the good he bestowed upon human beings.Similarly some other members of this forum said that you people are just looking at the evil that is being done by the West as on today but have completely ignored/overlooked the good it bequeathed to the world in the past 200 or more years.

So muslims in India must also think in terms of how their population percentage had increased from 10% in 1947 to almost 18% as on today.There are people in India who believe that the government understates the muslim population in India so as not create fear psychosis or paranoia amongst Hindus that one day they would be completely overwhelmed.If true,then their population % is still higher.

Setting aside percentages,in real numbers it is an enormous increase.So while judging a government , would you only consider a few thousands that got killed in riots or millions of new human beings who came into existence?
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Hindus call the tradition of widow burning on the pyre of her dead husband as Sati.Now name Sati in Sanskritised Telugu means a wife.In Hindi/Urdu/Hindustani, word Saat means one who goes along or one who accompanies.So going by even such an interpretation,may be orthodox Hindu wives are supposed to go through that inhuman practice,however little it might have been put into practice as is exemplified in the recent film Padmaavat.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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3,000 UK children a year go to 'jihadi' schools in Pakistan

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The question should be : How many kids from non-Muslim countries go to jihadi schools each year on a global scale?
Terrorism fears as 3,000 UK children a year go to 'jihadi' schools in Pakistan, secret government report reveals
* Secret Home Office study says children are taught a 'glorified version of jihad'
* Some Pakistani parents take their children to madrasas over the summer holiday
* Officials fear that these madrasas will increase the risk of radicalisation
* Two of the 7/7 bombers enrolled at madrasas before launching their attack

By ABUL TAHER - 23 March 2019


A secret Government report has warned that more than 3,000 British children are being taken to Pakistan each year and enrolled in extremist summer schools.

The chilling Home Office study says courses at madrasas teach a 'glorified version of jihad', according to a source.

Officials fear some youngsters will be radicalised and return to the UK with a warped ideology and pose a terrorism risk.

'It is highly likely that this education in Pakistan, even for short periods of time, increases the risk of exposure to extremism for British-Pakistani children,' the source told The Mail on Sunday.
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Denial: Students are seated at Pakistan’s Jamiatul Uloom Ul Islamia madrasa - the report identified this madrasa as among three of concern
'Enrolment at madrasas poses the greatest risk of exposure to more serious forms of religious extremism.'

Two of the 7/7 bombers, Mohammad Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer, enrolled on madrasa courses in Pakistan a year before they launched their deadly attack in 2005, which killed 52.

But the security services have established that some Pakistani parents take their children back to their native homeland during summer holidays under the pretext of visiting extended family.

In reality, they sign them up for lessons at some of Pakistan's estimated 20,000 madrasas.

The report says some of those madrasas receive funds raised in Britain and that UK-based imams have established seminaries in their ancestral homeland.

It identifies three madrasas of concern – the Darul Uloom Haqqania (DUH) madrasa in the remote Khyber Pakhtunkhwa region bordering Afghanistan; the Jamia Binoria in Karachi and Jamiatul Uloom Ul Islamia in Azad Kashmir.

Each has denied involvement in extremism. The DUH madrasa has previously been labelled the 'University of Jihad' because former students include Asim Umar, an Al Qaeda leader, and it awarded an honorary doctorate to the former Taliban leader Mullah Omar.

There are also fears that British taxpayers may have inadvertently provided it with funds.

The Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government, which controversially handed a £2.2 million grant to the madrasa in 2016, will have received £283 million from Britain to help boost education when a ten-year project ends in 2020.
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A satellite image shows a remote madrasa near Balakot, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, Pakistan
Denying any involvement with extremists, the madrasa's chief Maulana Hamid ul Haq said: 'If you ask questions about the 'Taliban', 'Taliban' is a term used for students so we call all students 'Taliban'.

If some of the students turn violent or extremist, then what can we do? We have nothing to do with it.'

The Jamia Binoria madrasa has been accused of adopting a 'pro-jihadi and anti-Western stance' and has reportedly enrolled foreign students. However, an official said British students no longer attended and the madrasa had no involvement in extremism.

The British founder of the Jamiatul Uloom Ul Islamia madrasa, based in Mirpur, also denied any links with terrorism. Haji Bostan, from Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, said no British students had enrolled and that no form of extremism was taught.

A Department for International Development spokesman said: 'All funds for Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are for agreed purposes. It does not include funding for madrasas.'
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Was Islam`s prophet, Muhammad, ever involved in terrorism?

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Stranded Afghans take shelter in mosques, shops near Torkham

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Scores of stranded Afghans including women and children have taken temporary shelter in different mosques, shops and even abandoned railway tunnels in Landi Kotal for the last four days in hope of going back to their country.

Pakistani authorities allowed 3,915 Afghan nationals to go back to their country via Torkham border on April 28 as a gesture of goodwill. Authorities, however, had not made any formal announcement about the opening of Torkham border for return of Afghans on that day.

Hearing about the unannounced return of their countrymen, hundreds of more Afghans flocked to the border crossing with the hope of going back to their country. Pakistani authorities, however, closed the border and the Afghans, who had come to Torkhum, got stranded near the border.

The desperate Afghans, hundreds in number, took temporary shelter in two mosques at Landi Kotal Bazaar and abandoned railway tunnels on railway track leading to the border point.

Urge authorities to allow them to go back to their country

Taking mercy on the desperate Afghans, some local traders and shopkeepers also offered them to stay at their empty shops and residential flats at the bazaar while some shifted to homes of their local friends.

Sher Wali, a resident of Jalalabad, said that he spent all his money and was staying at the main mosque of Landi Kotal Bazaar. He said that the mosque caretakers and some local traders pooled money for their Iftar and Sehri.

Mr Wali said that women and children were the worst affected as there was no separate arrangement for lodging and bathrooms.

Enzar Gul, anther elderly person from Kabul, said that some of them spent the first night under open sky without having any food for nearly 48 hours. He said that some of the stranded Afghans even approached their country’s consulate in Peshawar but to no avail.

He appealed the Pakistani border and security authorities to allow them to go back to their country.

SUICIDE: A young activist of Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf from Bara tehsil of Khyber tribal district committed suicide on Sunday.

Family sources said that Arif Jamal Afridi, a resident of Shalobar area, had a brawl with some family members and shot himself. He was injured critically.

He was immediately shifted to Hayatabad Medical Complex in Peshawar but he could not survive.

The deceased was one of the founding members of PTI in Khyber tribal district. He was later laid to rest with large number of his party workers and relatives attending his funeral.
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Pakistani Christian, jailed for seven years, sentenced to death for refusing to convert to Islam

In the depths of a squalid Pakistani jail cell – kept far from the rest of the inmate population at Lahore's District Prison – a poor Christian factory worker is awaiting execution.

A judge convicted Asif Pervaiz, 37, of blasphemy and he was sentenced to death earlier this month. Those advocating for Pervaiz's innocence claim it was not blasphemy and that he merely refused to buckle to pressure and convert to Islam.

"This is a tragic situation; the first case in Pakistan's recent history where a Christian has been accused of blasphemy for refusing to embrace Islam," Pervaiz's attorney, Saif Malook, told Fox News. "This man, Asif's boss, wanted him to leave Christianity, and Asif knew he would suffer a lot by saying no. But he kept his faith."

Pervaiz's nightmare began in 2013 after his supervisor, Muhammad Saeed Khokher, at the garment factory where he worked allegedly pressured him to become a Muslim on multiple occasions, according to Malook. When he refused, Khoker went to police with allegations that the devoted Christian had sent him "blasphemous" text messages defaming the Muslim Prophet Muhammed.

Khokher has since denied that he had attempted to compel his work subordinate to convert. In Pakistan, insulting the Prophet carries a mandatory sentence of capital punishment, and the court has vowed that Pervaiz will be "hanged by his neck until death."

However, the defendant has firmly dismissed the claims, and his attorney further contended that at the time, some seven years ago, anybody could purchase a phone SIM card without showing identification. While legislation has since become tougher and chips now require registration in Pakistan, anybody could simply claim a text message came from a person without verifiable proof.

Malook is preparing to appeal the death sentence, yet he has cautioned his client that the process will mean many more years ailing behind bars.

"As a person, Asif has always been a special young man – very strong, and he never wept until this month when they sentenced him to death. Mentally, he is feeling broken," his lawyer continued. "I've told him that he must find his strength – it is a long journey ahead, that he will not survive unless he can stay strong. I wanted to lie and tell him it would be over soon, but it will be many more years of fighting."

Malook also boldly took on the Asia Bibi case in Pakistan, the impoverished Christian woman who was also convicted of blasphemy. Her case languished on death row for almost 10 years through a long series of appeals and threats before finally being freed in October 2018. Months later, she quietly fled her homeland to the relative safety of Canada as protests over her acquittal erupted in the streets.

And in cases like Pervaiz, it is not just the accused who suffer.

His beleaguered wife – who was diagnosed with cancer – and four young children remain in hiding. Since his arrest seven years ago, they have struggled to find food and any means of income – relying on pennies from local Christian charities for survival.

Watching from behind iron bars as his family falls apart is eating away at Asif's sanity, Malook noted.

"His wife is still very sick, almost like a skeleton, and she fell down and collapsed at the prison while we met with Asif," Malook said on Friday, just hours after returning from the meeting. "The children were weeping for their father; they are all under threat. Everyone is scared to be around them; they are a poor family as it is. It was just so sad."

International human rights bodies have long warned that in Pakistan, unmerited accusations of blasphemy continue to imperil lives – and not only within the minority Christian population. As Malook observed, most of the country's blasphemy charges are directed at Muslims.

Last month, Amnesty International underscored an "alarming uptick" in such charges and stressed that the "draconian laws that enable abuse and risk lives must be repealed."

"They have been used to target some of the most marginalized people in society, including children, individuals with mental disabilities, members of religious minorities, and poorer people," the Amnesty report stated. "Though the majority of those accused are Muslim, as 98 percent of Pakistan's population adheres to Islam, critics have argued that the laws disproportionately target minorities such as Christians and Hindus, who are falsely accused due to discrimination rather than guilt."

The stringent laws regarding religion date back to 1860 when they were first endowed by India's British rulers, and broadened in 1927. Pakistan automatically acquired the harsh legislation when the country was birthed after a 1947 separation from India.

It was not until the 1980s when such offenses started to sweep through the Pakistani population, under the reign of General Zia ul-Haq, who endeavored to further "Islamize" the laws on the books with numerous clauses. In 1980, it was declared that the crime of making disparaging remarks concerning Islamic personages carried a three-year prison term. Two years later, a life prison term was mandated for anyone found guilty to "willful" defilement of the Koran, and then in 1986, it was recommended that blasphemy – the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about the Prophet – come with a death sentence.

According to the National Commission for Justice and Peace (NCJP), a total of 776 Muslims, 505 Ahmedis, 229 Christians and 30 Hindus have been accused under various clauses of the blasphemy law between 1987 and 2018 – with the overwhelming majority charged with desecration of the Muslim holy text rather than fully fledged blasphemy.

But even without formal judicial proceedings, the charges come with the cost of human life. In July, a 54-year-old man, Tahir Ahmad Naseem, who had mental disabilities, was shot dead in the Peshawar High Court as he was being presented for trial on blasphemy allegations.

The 2020 report released by the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCRIF) in April recommended that the State Department redesignate Pakistan, a military ally of the U.S., a "country of particular concern (CPC)" given that "in 2019, religious freedom conditions continued to trend negatively."

"The systematic enforcement of blasphemy and anti-Ahmadiyya laws, and authorities' failure to address forced conversions of religious minorities – including Hindus, Christians, and Sikhs – to Islam, severely restricted freedom of religion or belief," the report surmised.

While amending the dated blasphemy laws has routinely been touted as a top priority for a number of Pakistan's secular political parties seeking dominance in Islamabad, little headway has been made over the years due in large part to the sensitivity surrounding the hot-button issue.

And for the likes of Pervaiz, it means falling into the field of the forgotten.

"A Pakistani prison is not a good place when you can't afford to pay the guards any bribes. You can't breathe properly, and the Christians charged with blasphemy must be held separately; otherwise, they will be killed," Malook added. "It has been seven years in the prison for Asif already, and there will be many more as we fight his execution. We need the help of the western Christian world."
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Haven't they heard that there is no compulsion in religion?
"Prophet Muhammad...bought, sold, captured, and owned slaves" SOURCE: BBC website
"Muhammad is considered to be a perfect model" SOURCE: BBC website

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