The Koranic -ISA (son of...)
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The Koranic -ISA (son of...)
The Koranic Isa
A study over the origin of the name & over the Koranic 'son of' (ie. Allah & Mary) Part -1: Origin of the name 'ISA' Putting down the historical equation on a mysterious name... Isa wasn't a proper name by the time the Koran was compiled, nowhere found around not in Arabia and nowhere in the Middle-East... http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... me-isa.htm
Can Esau and Isa be equivalent? Some tried to associate Isa with the biblical Esau (root SW: of reddish hairy complexion). But Yeshua has a different etymological root... http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/J/jesus.html
My Reasons Why I Quit Islam Forever (small excerpt) http://www.islamreview.com/testimonials ... ever.shtml
This error is also found in Edward Lane's lexicon under the name of Eesa. Basically the Koranic Isa is NOT from Hebrew at all, in accordance with almost all of the other biblical proper names given in the Koran. So, in 6.84-86 we read a plethora of proper names -Ishaq, Yakub, Nuh, Isa, Ayub, Yunus, Harun, Sulaiman, Dawoud or/and Zakarīyā, Yaĥya, Ilyāsa, Yasa'a and even Ismā'īl-. None of them from Hebrew or Arabic! The astonishing common denominator of them all is that they aren't stemming out from their Hebrew roots, nor of Arabic, but Syriac! Syriac, while Hebrew (or Arabic) would be expected! Ibrahim should be written Abu Raheem in Arabic. It's not! Even Musa is Syriac from Greek: Hebrew: Moshe; Greek: Mōusēs; Arabic: موسىٰ Mūsa! More so the name of Ismael as written, has no Semitic root at all... it's all but Greek! The case of Isa is even more perplexing, for Jesus is never referred to as Isa, except in the Koran. In Arabic it should be written Yasoo (or Yasu' as in the Arabic bibles), but it's not so: only Isa is... It certainly tells us that the Koran was written in a Syriac environment... But that alone doesn't solve the Isa vacuum. Syriac Influence On The Style Of The Kur'an. By Alphonse Mingana, D.D. http://www.bible.ca/islam/library/Minga ... /index.htm
http://www.reocities.com/mandaeans/birth5d.html http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/J/john.html http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/ ... yahya.html Solving the 'mysterious' Yahya As far as I know, very few people got it right so far: Yahya is another attribute otherwise translated by our 'The Baptist' stemming from the Mandaeans Yahia Yuhana (The Book of Yahia, Drasha d. Yahia). Iahia Iuhana. In the Mandaean phraseology Iahia, the Baptist, is simply the sign of Pisces. As mentioned in 19.7 this terminology is only for John (Yohanna)! It is stated that the Mandean Iahia was much later than the Koran, but Muhammad himself (or whomever) got it from the former Sabeans! In Hebrew he is Ionah (Jonas): The Fish-man (Pisces). 19.7: We bring thee tidings of a son whose name is Yahya; we have given the same name to none before (him). Conceptual transcription: ''whose surname will be 'The Baptist', a nickname that will only belong to him'' ! The Koranic Yahya doesn't transcribe John but his attribute of 'The Baptist'! John was common, not 'The Baptist'. Now back to Alphonse Mingana on 'Isa':
So the ONLY indication that we have about Isa is a mention of Isaniyah: the followers of Isa, which is meagre as can be and so is A'Iso! http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/ ... jesus.html Critical Comments on the Muslim ‘Isa (Jesus)
Note: The proper meaning behind Yeshua is rather healing/deliverance thus salvation, or rescued (by God). The Hebrew Elisha אֱלִישַׁע, (Al-Yasa, 6.86) would be more in line with 'God's salvation': SHA. But as written in 2Sam.5.15, Elishua rather means: 'God's opulence'. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... rch=elisha On Yeshua meaning 'deliverance' (healing) and its derivative of Hoshea (rescued) http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29
Now, the Islamic warring Isa is directly coming out from the Book of Revelations: The forbidden coins of Ibn Malik, noticed the apocalyptic, sworded, Jesus (2nd) Issued in 692 all those coins to be exchanged under the penalty of death in 694!    This warring Islamic Isa is more akin to the figure we know as the Archangel Michael, the celestial army leader... In the Koran he is mentioned in 2.98 but many Muslims hold that 11.69 talks about Michael, Gabriel and Raphael. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29 Over my years at FFI, I had several discussions over the origin of the Koranic Isa, helping to shape my mind: Isa, by caracas (great overlook, lots of links, with insights from Righteous, THHuxley, etc). http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12759 Yeshu or Isa, by Quetzalcoatl (with the well-known Denis Giron). http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12850 Finally with Aksel Anderson (at the end of his thread) viewtopic.php?p=44006#p44006 From years of study and acquaintance with anthropology and etymology, I came to precise the origins of the name 'Isa': The complete etymological root for Isa has at least three converging factors: 1. The epiteth IUSA given to Horus meaning 'The Ever Becoming Child of Ptah' or even 'The Child-God'. Very old indeed since it was attributed to Horus before the advent of Osiris, replacing Ptah by ~2000! The renowned egyptologist Gerald Massey on IUSA and Jesus: http://books.google.ca/books?id=NPXcxcC ... sa&f=false 2. The Phoenician sun-god IES (or Yes): I for The One and ES meaning Fire or Light, ie. The One Light, taking the meaning not exactly of 'God Saves' but of 'God Heals', our YES! The healing power of the sun. This divinity is quite old indeed and only a Phoenician origin can explain the Gaelic Eesu, the Celtic Hesus, the Roman IHS (for Bacchus), up to the Greek Iasthai and their Greek goddess Iaso, or Jason, all of them being always related to healing. This biblical Hebrew (90% Phoenician) connection wouldn't be complete without a look over the name of: Isaiah! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah
Catholic encyclopedia: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08179b.htm
Strangely his name isn't mentioned in the Koran while al-Yasa (Elisha) is. Here again, the connection between the Phoenician IES and the Hebrew Isa is stressed while the meaning of Redemption through deliverance/healing (as rescued by God) is underlined. The same meaning is found in the Hebrew Joshua (pre-exilic form of Yeshua), Jesse, the sect of the Essenes or their Egyptian counterpart, Therapeutae. In the Phoenician Levant and Carthago, IES became Eshmun, the healing child-god. We must remember here that Phoenician is the provable link between the Semitic & Indo-European alphabets (via the half-legendary Cadmus, and the medical emblem of Caduceus). So it isn't true that the Semitic Yeshua is that different from the Greek Iesous: they both stem out from the same Phoenician root! In John 5, the temple “Bethesda,” (ie. “House of Mercy”) in Jerusalem was most probably dedicated to Eshmun! His nickname being Iasumuna, the great healer, the 8th, appearing on many old treaties beside that of Melkart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshmun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshmun_Temple http://www.jstor.org/pss/592521 http://books.google.ca/books?id=yCkRz5p ... un&f=false Eshmun the healing Child-God (Aeschylus and his daughter: Iaso)  "This statuette was given by Baalshillem, son of king Banaa... ...to his lord Eshmun of the spring Yd[l]al. May he bless him." His huge temple in Carthago (now the site of a Roman church)  1. Elagabalus, Beyrut; 2. Eshmun, nude, standing to front between two horned and erect serpents (remember the Caduceus)  http://www.aeqvitas.com/photo.php?freeform=serpent There we have it: the origin for 'Isa' is found in the Phoenician Ies which alone explains the huge dispersion of the name! I've more recently discovered that Isa has a third ancient root: Hindu, which we'll explore in the following 2nd part... Last edited by The Cat on Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:19 am, edited 6 times in total.
Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.
Re: The Koranic -ISA (son of...)
Part -2:
The Hindu/Phoenician Connection. The more I study the Koran, the more some basic links with Hinduism appear: Concepts like Jihad, Deen, Retaliation are but the echos of the Hindu Yuddha Dharma, the Vedic Rta and Karma. More troubling still: the Vedic Varuna/Mitra is akin to the Koranic Allah/Isa !! viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8394 In a nearby thread I've already explored quite extensively the astonishing connection between the Vedic Varuna and the Islamic Allah. This spread into the cosmic relation between Varuna/Mitra (the Covenant one), protectors and enforcers of the Rta/Dharma in ways that are found in the Koran, hidden yet revealed by the very appellation of 'ISA', which we'll discover to be an attribute like Yahya ! http://www.karma2grace.org/encyclopedia/Varuna.htm http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/ve ... .asp#mitra Zoroastrianism rejected Varuna to favor Ahura Mazda, while keeping Mithra as the sun-mediator between heaven and mankind. The Vedic Mitra became known as Apollo in Greece, Shamash in Syria (al-Sham), Marduk in Cyrus' Babylon, Bel/Baal in the Middle-East. In India he metamorphosed into Krishna but kept most of his attributes within Zoroastrianism later becoming the Roman's Sol invictus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm This Vedic/Zoroastrian Mithra was axial too for the Trojans/Phoenicians as the God sealing many treaties: http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religions ... _m/pt1.htm I'll probably expand the matter much more in a closing addenda because the Phoenicians/Trojans weren't confined to 'Phoenicia' by far. For the moment I'll establish how Mitra merged into the Koranic Isa as The Lord of the Covenant (MITRA/ISA). http://www.helium.com/items/1689843-mit ... ristianity
Mitra being mentioned in the Rig Veda makes him among the oldest known divinity, for even 1400BC is way too conservative. The Vedic relation between Varuna (infinite sky) and Mitra (the nourisher sun) is again stressed in the late Vedic Upanishads ! Therein the similitude of Varuna/Mitra becomes that of Pusan/Prajapati, like written in the ISA upanishads (of around ~500). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isha_Upanishad
My own translation (excerpts) of the Isa Upanishad: Whoever sees all beings in the Soul-Self And the Soul-Self in all beings Does not shrink away from This In whom all beings have become One with the Knowing Soul. What repulsion or sorrow is there For the one who breaths Unity? It has fulfilled All there Is..... Into blind darkness enter those who follow Ignorance; Into greater darkness enter those who follow knowledge. Distinct, they say from becoming: It Is. Distinct, they say from non-becoming: It Is.... He who understands both the Manifest And the Unmanifest altogether Crosses Death through the Unmanifest Attaining Immortality by the Manifest.... O Guardian, Seer; O Path; O sun-child, son of the Creator Spread your Brilliance, gather your Radiance That I shall behold your Auspicious form. Whatever being this Spirit is, let That me Be. I to dissolve into That of Immortal Breath! There we can read some attributes of Isa: Seer, Sun/Son of the Creator, Light, Spirit, Breath! No doubt: the Koranic Isa is so defined! For we aren't talking about Issa, the Khasmiri saint. Anyway, this is yet a divine surname for some Yuz Asaph (ie. Yusuf the Healer). Again, as the Word of Allah, Isa is the Spirit of Truth, the Koranic Wisdom to mankind. Like in the Nestorian christology, Isa is an emanation from Allah (His prosopon) much like sunrays and heat come out from the sun. Nestorius precepts became troublesome when translated 'substance' or 'consubstantiality' in Latin, for it's indeed a different subtle meaning. Anyhow, the prosopon concept got into the Koran, but more specifically of an Hindu avatar: Isa is but an avatar (bodily emanation) of Allah. What does prosopon mean? http://www.monachos.net/forum/showthrea ... sopon-mean Sam Shamoun on Gabriel but also understanding the 'prosopon' from Gerry Redman... http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/gabriel.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%28Hinduism%29
It then becomes easy to understand that this appearance is what 4.157 talks about: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; ... they slew him not for certain. Isa wasn't replaced on the cross by a substitution! His bodily appearance vanished, while his Soul-Self went back to God where it belonged. Isa was unheard of as a human name in Arabia before the Koran... It's a title like al-Masih! Perplexed Islamic 'scholars' came with the idea that is was so written to rhythm with Musa! So we've seen how 'Yahya' didn't mean John but his attribute of 'The Baptist': titles all of them! By using the very title of 'Isa', instead of the Arabic proper name Yasu', the Koran a priori acknowledges his Covenant. 4.158-159: But Allah took him up unto Himself.... and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them. Then we can understand what 4.171 really talks about... 4.171: The Messiah, Jesus son (Ibn) of Mary, was an Emissary of Allah, and His Word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! Conceptual transposition (of 4.171): Do not say 'three' (as in the Latin 'substancia') for the Messiah, born Isa son (-abnu-) of Mary, was an Emissary of Allah: His Logos (Kalimatuhu), conveyed into the flesh through Mary, yet FROM His spirit (Ruhun Minhu). So believe in Allah and His messengers (inspired by His Word). And so we're back to the Hindu Isa and... Mitra/Varuna as explaining the Koranic affiliation of Allah/Isa! We find out that it comes directly from Hinduism, ie. the spiritual dominion of God over the universe. On this kind of togetherness lies the relation between Allah and Rahman, the Koranic father of Jesus the Isa. 43.45: Did We ever appoint gods to be worshiped beside the Beneficent ? Clearly the verse says that Rahman (Yeshua's father) is to be worshiped like Varuna/Mitra! If Mitra/Isa was the mediator between godhead and mankind, symbolizing Covenants made in good faith, only this 'appearance' of Isa as a human (the Hindu concept of avatar) explains 4.157 and 3.59 perfectly. This is considerably strengthened by the fact that ISA wasn't ever a Koranic proper name, but an attribute pertaining to a spiritual/material state, as defined in the Isa Upanishads... Isa Upanishad, verse VI-VII: Whoever sees all beings in the Soul-Self And the Soul-Self in all beings Does not shrink away from This In whom all beings have become One with the Knowing Soul. Matthew 22.37-40 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Augustine, Retractions 1.13.3: ''That which is called the Christian religion existed among the ancients, and never did not exist, from the beginnings of the human race until Christ came in the flesh, at which time the true religion, which already existed, began to be called Christianity...'' From an anthropological point of view Christianity is an agrarian solar worship, rooted in the Hindu/Phoenician Mitra. It introduced the axial concept of Freewill over the former nomadic fatalism: mankind could act from a will of its own!  Next: How Isa, as the son (IBN) of Mary, is yet another attributive compound! Last edited by The Cat on Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:21 am, edited 2 times in total.
Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.
Re: The Koranic -ISA (son of...)
Part -3:
Jesus, son of Mary (Isa -ibn- Maryama). Here we must take note that 'son' is always (except once) written from the root Ibn (either abna or abnu). This root is very wide in understanding, going from progeny yet often extended to 'belonging' or 'likeness'. It is from the root ibn (BN) that we have the banu Israel (tribe, nation or children of Israel)... Looking at some related verses... in chronological order: A. Before Medina 44th... 19.17: Then We sent unto her Our Spirit (Ilayhā Rūĥanā) and it assumed for her the likeness (mathala) of a perfect man. ---This underlines that Isa's body is only a similitude. 19.19: He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless boy (Ghulāmāan Zakīyāan; immaculate boy). 19.20: She said: How can I have a son (Ghulāmun; boy) when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste? 63th... 43.57-58: And when the son (Abnu) of Mary is quoted as an example (Mathalāan), behold! the folk laugh out, And say: Are our gods better, or is he?.... and We made him a example (Mathalāan) for the Children (bani) of Israel. ---The root 'Mathal' express the idea of 'to be like' yet with some authority or power, this 'example' is to be followed! ---''Our gods are better, or is he?'' acknowledges Isa's authoritativeness, although they are 'contentious folks'! 43.59-60: He is nothing but a servant on whom We bestowed favour, and We made him a pattern for the Children of Israel. And had We willed (Wa Law Nashā'u, see below on 5.17) We could have set among you angels to be viceroys in the earth. ---Mathalaan is here rendered by pattern, a patron. It confirms Isa as a viceroy on earth in the likeness of Adam (3.59)! (More on this in the following 4th post...) 73th... 21.91: And she who was chaste (Aĥsanat; holy, praised virgin), therefor We breathed into her of Our Spirit (Min Rūĥinā) and made her and her son a token (Āyatan**) for (all) peoples. 74th... 23.50: And We made the son (Abna) of Mary and his mother a portent (Āyatan**)... **Ayatin (translated: sign, portent, tokens). Means a probing act of creation, in opposition to the signs (6.37) asked by doubters (5.111/4). Could be translated as a manifest miracle, in opposition to an act of human magic or prestidigitation. The differences are underlined in 43.47-48: ''But when he brought them Our tokens (āyātinā), behold! they laughed at them. And every token (Āyatin) that We showed them was greater than its sister.'' The Koran, trees and stars are such signs. On the meaning of Ayatin, 30.20-27 is very informative... up to 30.46: And of His signs (Ayâtihi) is this: He sendeth herald winds to make you taste His mercy (Raĥmatihi).... 30.58-59: Verily We have coined for mankind in this Qur'an all kinds of similitudes (Mathalin); and indeed if thou camest unto them with a miracle ('âyatin), those who disbelieve would verily exclaim: Ye are but tricksters! Thus doth Allah seal the hearts of those who know not. So Mary being such a portent (miracle) prudishly express the otherwise Immaculate Conception.... Compare to Luke 1.30-35:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_Mary
B. Medina verses 2.253 (87th): Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom Allah spake, while some of them He exalted in degree; and We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (ayyinâti) and We supported him with the holy Spirit (Rûĥi Al-Qudusi). Quite a binding here... 3.33-34 (89th): Lo! Allah preferred Adam and Noah and the Family of Abraham and the Family of Imran above (all His) creatures. They were descendants one of another. Allah is Hearer, Knower. 3.35-37 or the priestly lineage of Mary... miraculous for a woman. 3.35: (Remember) when the wife of ´Imran said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower! 3.36: And when she was delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female - Allah knew best of what she was delivered - the male is not as the female; and lo! I have named her Mary, and lo! I crave Thy protection for her and for her offspring from Satan the outcast. 3.37: And her Lord accepted her with full acceptance and vouchsafed to her a goodly growth; and made Zachariah her guardian. Whenever Zachariah went into the sanctuary where she was, he found that she had food. He said: O Mary! Whence cometh unto thee this? She answered: It is from Allah. Allah giveth without stint to whom He will. 3:42 And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation. 3.44: This is of the tidings of things hidden.... (Dhālika Min 'Nbā'i Al-Ghaybi; beyond reach, the Unseen). 3.45: (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him (kalimatin Minhu), whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son (abnu, ibn) of Mary, held in honor (Wajīhāan) in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (others being Idris and Elisha). Here -walid- is written instead of the usual ibn... 3.47: She said: My Lord! How can I have a child (Waladun, biological, not ibn) when no mortal hath touched me ? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. ---This verse also carries the idea that Isa isn't truly flesh & blood, not even from Mary's womb! 4.156 (90th): And because of their (Jews) disbelief and of their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny... ---Which relates to the Toledoth Yeshu, where Mary is a harlot (a Talmudic charge reported by Celsus)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledot_Yeshu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshu 19:28 O sister (Ukhta**) of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Note**: If understood 3.35-37 and 4.156 are complements of 19.28: Mary is of priestly lineage, a miracle in itself (ayatin). 66.12 (107th): And Mary, daughter (abnata not walida) of Imran, whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures (Bikalimāti Rabbihā Wa Kutubihi), and was of the devout. This in turns ask whether this Spirit is Gabriel's as the Muslims like to uphold... but that's another topic. Still, if interested, please check: http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/jesus_spirit.htm Finally, with surah 5 (112th) we face the concept of Trinity... 5.17: They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do aught against Allah, if He had willed* to destroy the Messiah son (Abnu) of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth? Allah´s is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He createth what He will**. And Allah is Able to do all things. 5.73: They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three.... 5.75: The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations (ayati) clear for them, and see how they are turned away! 5.116: And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? With 4.171 (do not say 'three') this is often misunderstood as Mary being part of the mainstream Trinity. http://www.leaderu.com/isr/articles_res ... egods.html
The Koranic denial of Mary as part of the Trinity has three possible main sources: 1. The Arabic Christian sect of Collyridianism which worshiped Mary as a divinity (Mariolatry). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collyridians 2. The Gnostic concept of Sophia as the Wisdom of God (often mixed with the Holy Spirit). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_%28wisdom%29 3. The concept of Mary Theodokos (Mother of God, Arabic Wālidat Alelah) which was fully rejected by the Nestorians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theotokos http://orthodoxwiki.org/Theotokos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... _Mariology http://orthodoxwiki.org/Nestorianism
After being ostracized, the Nestorians found shelter within the Sassanid empire, mainly at Nisibis and/or Edessa founding far reaching schools. It's them, later, who translated all the Greeks axial works into Arab and Persian... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nusaybin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Nisibis Nestorianism was adopted by the Lakhmid Arabic tribe, while Monophysitism (or Jacobites) was rather adopted by the Ghassanid, closer to mainstream romanity. And we've seen how the Koran adopted the Syriac of the Nestorians instead of the Jacobites' one. CONCLUDING: We've seen that, except for 3.47, 'son of Mary' is always written Ibn (of the belonging, likeness, affiliation, ie. SONSHIP). The Koranic wording 'son of Mary' is thus another title meaning of Immaculate conception, ie. born of the Holy Virgin. By using ibn instead of walid, the Koran states that Isa is not the biological son of Mary either, but of her pure likeness. In 3.47 we read, instead of Ibn, the wording 'Waladun' indicating a biological offspring. That's also the root used in the Koran to state that Isa is not the son (walid) of Allah. So, the Koran is in perfect accord with the Christians: Jesus is not the biological son of God ! Why the sweat ? But this will be the subject of a 4th post... In the meantime, I hope that this will ring a bell... Note on 5.17: *The denying will is 'Shay'āan' (or law sa), while the positive of action is ALWAYS **Yasha'u. Any comment, please in: Who's the Koranic father of Jesus? Thank you. viewtopic.php?f=21&t=8505 Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.
Re: The Koranic -ISA (son of...)
Part 4 -a:
How Isa means the Sovereign Word of Allah We've seen how Isa originated from a Phoenician root, IES, always related to healing as in its late Phoenician use of Eshmun, the healing child-god of their mythology becoming the Greek goddess Iaso and the IHS associated with Bacchus, before the Christians took it over. This source, through Phoenician, is common ground to Greek and Hebrew alike. Then we saw how the Hindu Isa Upanishads depicted a son-god as a mediator between godhead and mankind, Pusan/Prajapati being another form of the Vedic Varuna/Mitra relation, better known by now for Hindus as the Brahman/Ishvara correlation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishishtadvaita http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishvara
This is like the sun and its sun-rays or the tree and its fruits, the seed and the wheat: the beneficent outcome in reaching manifestations. This is about the same relation between Jesus and his Father. This, to my very surprise, is also found in the Koranic Allah/Isa! Just like we have seen 'son of Mary' was always written from the root 'ibn' (with extensive meanings), except in a verse (3.47), so 'son of Allah' is always written from the root 'walid' (except in 9.30) which carries a biological, flesh and blood affiliation. So we find here somehow the exact opposite between 'son of Mary' and 'son of Allah' and we certainly should ponder over this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam
The Muslim Jesus in the Quran (1/5) Isa is thus (in the affirmative) in the likeness (ibn) of Mary, that is: faultless, immaculate. In the negative, he's not the biological offspring (walid) of Allah, which stresses that he's then in the likeness of Allah, ie. a Spirit from Him. That is why 3.59 must be read as a complementary of 2.30 and 4.171! His earthly appearance was that he became a viceroy on earth, but -in his case- for all time! (43.57-60) Related Verses: A. Before Medina 81.19-21 (7th): Surely His Word is an honoured messenger (Innahu Laqawlu Rasūlin Karīmin), Mighty, established in the presence (Inda) of the Lord of the Throne, (One) to be obeyed, and trustworthy (Muā`in Thamma 'Amīnin). 86.13 (36th): Lo! this is a conclusive Word (Innahu Laqawlun Fa؛lun). 19.17 (44th): Then We sent unto her Our Spirit (Ilayhā Rūĥanā) and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 19.19: He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless boy (Ghulāmāan). 19.20: She said: How can I have a boy (Ghulāmun) when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste? 19.21: ... And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us (alahu 'Āyatan Lilnnāsi Wa Raĥmatan Minnā), and it is a thing ordained (Maqًīyāan). 19.33: Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! 19.34: Such was Jesus, son of Mary (Īsa Abnu Maryama): A statement of the truth (Qawla Al-Ĥaqqi) concerning which they doubt. ---The Koranic wording 'son of Mary' is yet another title meaning Immaculate, ie. son of the Virgin. 23.50: And We made the son of Mary and his mother a sign (Abna Maryama Wa 'Ummahu 'Āyatan). ---See below for Ayatan. 19.35: It befitteth not Allah that He should take unto Himself a son (Min Waladin). Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. 19.88: And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son (Waladāan, also 19.91-92). 6.100-101 (55th): Yet they ascribe as partners unto Him the jinn, although He did create them, and impute falsely, without knowledge, sons and daughters (Banīna Wa Banātin) unto Him.... The Originator (Badī`u) of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child (Waladun), when there is for Him no consort.... 39.4 (59th): If Allah had willed to choose a son (Waladāan), He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created. 43.45 (63th): Did We ever appoint gods to be worshiped beside the Beneficent? 43.57-58: And when the son (abnu) of Mary is quoted as an example, behold! the folk laugh out, And say: Are our gods better, or is he?.... and We made him a pattern (Mathalāan) for the Children of Israel (Libanī 'Isrā'īla). 43.60-61: And had We willed We could have set among you angels to be viceroys in the earth. And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path. 43.63: When Jesus came with clear proofs (Bayyināti), he said: I have come unto you with wisdom, and to make plain (Bil-Ĥikmati Wa Li'abayyina) some of that concerning which ye differ. So keep your duty to Allah, and obey me. 21.91 (73th): And she who was chaste, therefor We breathed into her of Our Spirit (Min Rūĥinā) and made her and her son a token (Abnahā 'Āyatan) for (all) peoples. 69.40 (78th): That it is indeed the Word of an illustrious messenger (Innahu Laqawlu Rasūlin Karīmin). Early Medina 2.116-117 (87th): And they say: Allah hath taken unto Himself a son (Waladāan). Be He glorified! Nay (Bal), but whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth is His.... The Originator (Badi'u) of the heavens and the earth! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. 3.33-34: Lo! Allah preferred Adam and Noah and the Family of Abraham and the Family of ´Imran above (all His) creatures. They were descendants one of another. Allah is Hearer, Knower. 3.39: And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary: Allah giveth thee glad tidings of (a son whose name is) John, (who cometh) to confirm a word from Allah LORDLY (Sayyidan***), chaste, a prophet of the righteous. ***Sayyidan: Master, Lord, leader... Only one other occurrence: 12.25: And they raced with one another to the door, and she tore his shirt from behind, and they met her lord (Sayyidahā) at the door. http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/In ... rming.html
3.45 (89th): (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him (Kalimatin Minhu), whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary (Al-Masīĥu `Īsل Abnu Maryama), held in honor in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah). 3.46: He will speak unto mankind in his cradle (based on the Arabic Gospel of Infancy: ''He was lying in His cradle (and) said to Mary His mother: I am Jesus, the Son of God, the Logos, whom you have brought fort...''). The Koran transliterated 'son' for 'servant, 'logos' for 'scripture'... viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1125 3.48: And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom (Al-Ĥikmata**), and the Torah and the Gospel.... **Hikma, translated Wisdom, but implying enlightened discernment (ex. 2.151; 2.231; 3.58; 3.81; 10.1; 17.39; 31.1-2; 33.34; 36.1-2; 43.3; 44.1-4). Aramaic: rationality. I've seen many stating that the Koran & Hikma were the same, but 3.48 disproves that completely. Even the word 'Scripture' here seems to have an allegorical meaning like ''teaching him the Word''. 3.49: Lo! I come unto you with a sign (Bi'āyatin) from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by God´s leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by God´s leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses.... 3.50: And confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord (Bi'āyatin** Min Rabbikum), so keep your duty to Allah and obey me. **Note on Ayatin (sign, portent, tokens, see note post #3). Means a probing act of creation, in opposition to the signs (6.37) asked by pagans. An obvious miracle! 2.106: Nothing of our revelation (Āyatin) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten.... Yusuf Ali explains, in his commentaries, the term "aayatin": ''What is the meaning here? If we take it in a general sense, it means that God's Message from age to age is always the same, but that its form may differ according to the needs and exigencies of the time. That form was different as given to Moses and then to Jesus and then to Muhammad.'' Thus the abrogations refer us to the previous scriptures abrogated by the Arabic Koran (much like Jesus in 3.49-50). viewtopic.php?p=104171#p104171 3.55:(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ. 3.59: Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah (Inna mathala AAeesa AAinda Allahi) is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is. The Koran always emphasized that Jesus is but a servant, just another prophet sent to Israel, but that's a trick of the hat: The Son of the Virgin is a portent all by himself! The Koran gives to Isa much more power than to any other prophet by far. Alone with Allah can he makes life out of clay and raise the deads, even up to the ability to abrogate former scriptures... ! The status of Isa in the Koran... http://www.ruhallah.org/section_1.htm http://www.ruhallah.org/section_2.htm On 3.59 (Isa in the likeness of Adam) http://www.ibnzura.com/quran.php
There is no distinction to be made between prophets AS prophets, ie. those denouncing the idolatry of their own given time! But in the case of Isa, he's much more than a human prophet: If Adam was taught to name, Jesus is Allah's Mercy as ordained (19.21). The similitude of Jesus with Allah (Varuna/Mitra; Brahman/Ishvara) explained: 24.35: Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The similitude of His light is as a niche wherein is a lamp. The lamp is in a glass. The glass is as it were a shining star. (This lamp is) kindled from a blessed tree, an olive neither of the East nor of the West, whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself) though no fire touched it. Light upon light. Allah guideth unto His light whom He will (Yashā'u, YS-h!) And Allah speaketh to mankind in allegories, for Allah is Knower of all things. ---To be continued (Part 4 -b)... Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.
Re: The Koranic -ISA (son of...)
Part 4b:
How Isa isn't the biological son (-walid-) of Allah Later Medina related verses 4.157: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah´s messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. 4.158: But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. Only this 'appearance' of Isa (the Hindu concept of avatar) explains 4.157 and 3.59 perfectly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%28Hinduism%29
In other words: Jesus is, by being, the incarnated message of Allah, a Mercy and a Revelation unto mankind (19.21). As His Kalimatullah, His Ruhullah and His Will (Yasha' Allah), Yeshua/Isa is the verb ''BE'' and that's it (2.116-117, etc). The cosmic relation found between Isa and Allah is always that of the Sky and our Sun (Varuna/Mitra; Vishnu/Krishna). If our Sun is the main factor of life on earth, it's itself dependent of an order of a much larger scale of infinite unseen. In the Koran, Allah isn't the causer of Isa, that rather belongs to ar-Rahman (the Beneficent, 43.45; 19.18). 4.171: O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son (Waladun). His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender. Conceptual transposition (of 4.171): Do not say 'three' (as in the Latin 'substancia') for the Messiah, born Isa son (abnu) of Mary, was an emissary of Allah: His Logos (Kalimatuhu), conveyed into the flesh through Mary, yet FROM His spirit (Ruhun Minhu). So believe in Allah and His messengers (inspired by His Word). Elsewhere, the incarnation of Isa through Mary is given as signs and portents to mankind (21.91; 23.50). Indeed, as a bodily appearance, Isa is only a messenger but his spirit is much more than that (19.21; 3.45). 66.12 (107th): And Mary, daughter of ´Imran, whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein of Our Spirit (Min Rūĥinā). And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures (Bikalimāti Rabbihā Wa Kutubihi), and was of the obedient. 61.14 (109th): O ye who believe! Be Allah´s helpers (Anşāra Allāhi), even as Jesus son (Abnu) of Mary said unto the disciples: Who are my helpers (Anşārī) for Allah ? They said: We are Allah´s helpers (Anşāru). And a party of the Children (Bani, root ibn) of Israel believed, while a party disbelieved. Origin of the root NSR (Ansar, Nasara for Christians) viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5225 http://www.truthnet.org/Islam/MuslimChrist/1/
JESUS AS THE 'SON (-Walad-) OF ALLAH'. The main problem with Muslims concerning Jesus as a 'son' of G-d is that they write 'walad' for 'son', which carries the idea of a blood/sexual affiliation. In the Arabic Christian bible the Arabic word use is Ibin, which rather mean a descendance. In the Bible, 'son of' can relate to 'from the house of', 'the tribe of', like the Arabic Bayt (extended family). Son of should thus be understood as 'belonging to', not procreated by... Jesus himself stated that we were all ''sons of God.'' http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2008/02 ... -sexually/ Comparing Luke 1.30-38 with 19.16-22....
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http://www.answering-islam.org/Hahn/son.html Biblical meaning of 'Son'... (I'm not exactly quoting all the time. Please check in this interesting link) Genesis 15.3: a son of my house. Belonging to. Luke 16.8, the sons of this age, sons of light. In 1Sam.3.6 Samuel being the 'son' of Eli doesn't mean a physical parentage but a spiritual one. The same in 1Peter5.13 where Mark is referred to as the 'son' of Peter. That's always in relation with God perceived as the Sacred Father. In the case of Jesus, the term 'son' is used to denoted a spiritual togetherness, the two being one especially emphasized in John 17. The son is eternally in relation with the father. (John 17.1-5: ... Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.) But the Muslims' perspective on this keenness is thrown away by their use of the term 'walad' to determine this relation. 'Walad' or 'Walid' refers strictly to a biological keenship, a sexual begotting, which is contrary to the Christian understanding of the relation. Instead of 'Walid' the actual Arabic words to description this relation are rather 'Ibn' or 'al-Bayht'' (from the house of). This is even included in the Islamic notion that Jesus was the Word (Kalimatu'llah Q.4.171) and Spirit of Allah (Ruhullah Q.19.16-21; 21.91; 66.12). But G-d is by no mean a physical father, nor a male divinity! In 2.87 and 2.253 Jesus is associated with the Holy Spirit. The Islamic Holy Spirit is sometimes confused with Gabriel (Q.97.4, 78.38, 70.4; 26.193; 16.102; 5.110) or with Jesus himself. In 4.171 Jesus' prehuman existence is underlined. It fields with the Nestorian notion that although God isn't the Messiah, the Messiah is in Godhead, quite in line with the Islamic understanding. No man can be God, but God can be incarnated. More so, the Koran clearly states that Jesus is the Breath of Life in 3.49 and 5.110. In 38.71-72 Jesus creates and breathes life exactly like Allah! In Q.4.171 the Koran forbids to worship the trinity while emphasizing it in the very same ayat stating of: 1. God; 2. Jesus as His Word; 3. Jesus as His Spirit! A whole booklet: http://www.answering-islam.org/Hahn/integrity.html http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/jesus_spirit.htm
More informative links on this topic... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_God http://www.leaderu.com/isr/articles_res ... ofgod.html http://bibleandquran.com/allah.htm http://bibleandquran.com/allahandelohim5.htm Son of Allah is always written from the root 'Walid' except once (9.30). Checking... http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/ ... god_bq.htm
Also: The Islamic Christ http://debate.org.uk/topics/theo/islam_christ.html As this is too expanding, a third part (4c) will be needed... Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.
Re: The Koranic -ISA (son of...)
Part 4c:
How Yeshua (i.e. Jesus) is written all over the Koran! In Hebrew, Jesus' name is written Yeshua. In correct Arabic it should then be Yasu, or Yashu, but it's never so found in the Koran. Even in 4.163 and 6.85-86 (where the Koran gives plenty of first name, ALL of them from Syriac rather than Hebrew or Arabic) we still read Isa instead of the expected Yasu or, to be self logical, the Syriac Yeshu! So until now I was wondering why the hell this name of Yeshua wasn't found in the Koran but 'Isa', merely a Hindu/Phoenician title. Thanks to my familiarity with etymology, almost as soon as I've started to dig deeper into Koranic transliterations, I came to discover quite a shocky: It's all over their holy book! Yet as far as I know this trumpeting etymological concordance has never been pinpointed ! But first, have a look upon etymology itself... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology Semitic alphabets (this chart explains a lot...)  See also: viewtopic.php?p=125962#p125962 Examples... The Bible (and Greek too) is an etymological disaster: for example not only weren't the Hivvites our named Hittites for they called themselves Nesites (from which etymological roots can be traced with Kemet, -wrongly called Egypt), but Pharaoh never was a proper name (as in the OT and the Koran) but a title (Great House) yet only stemming out from the 22nd dynasty (that of Shoshenq from... Libya, the biblical Shishak of 1Kg.14.25 and 2Chr.12). This is like confusing 'His Majesty' with a proper name! Same happened in confusing the meaning of Christos with Mashiah... See: The Jesus Mysteries (opened by charleslemartel) viewtopic.php?f=55&t=7431 viewtopic.php?p=118889#p118889 18.23-24: And say not of anything: Lo! I shall do that tomorrow, Except if Allah will (Yashâ'a Allâhu). Yeshua (Hebrew name for Jesus -YS'h-) became... Yasha'u (Allah's Will as His Mercy), i.e. His Logos! And the etymological concordance (both YS-h) is simply way too overwhelming for so Semitic cousins. Yeshua and Joshua DO share the same root, the former being the post-exilic form of the later. They are originally not from Aramaic but from biblical Hebrew, which is 90% Phoenician, like its cousin Moabite. And the Phoenician root is that of their archaic sungod YES or IES, the One Light. The same root is found in the Greek and Latin forms, IHS (for Bacchus), the Celtic Hesus, up to the English YES. So it was related to healing as in the Greek goddess Iaso. Way further back we can think of Horus as the Iusa (ever begotten son of Ptah). We've seen it above... Now, 18.23-24 is the acknowledge Koranic root for the well-known: Inch' Allah ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insha%27Allah It's also related to another Arabic term, Mâ sâʾ (Masih, Messiah) Allâh (ما شاء الله), which means "God has willed it". The definition of Masih as Ma Sa Ha comes from Tabari, NOT from the Classical Arabic stemming from Hebrew. Mā sāʾ Allāh or Masha 'Allah (ما شاء الله), means "God has willed it". Just like Allah's Yasha'a is but a transposition of Yeshua + Logos! Inch'Allah is thus a contraction for Isa... as Yasha'a Allah (Yeshua), His Will thus His VERB, as per John 1.1-4... 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. This is considerably strengthened by the fact that ISA wasn't then... a proper name but an attribute pertaining to a spiritual dominion, as defined in the Isa Upanishads. The Islamic Pharisees simply made every possible machination to transform Muhammad into their own self Messiah. To do so they had to run contrary to ALL the Koranic injunctions, thus adding themselves to its enshrined warnings: Updated verses: 9.31 and 9.34 They have taken as lords beside Allah their mullahs, their imams and Muhammad as a Messiah, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)! O ye who believe! Lo! many of the imams and the sheiks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar from the way of Allah. In 9.26-27 Yasha'u is associated with the Jewish Sekinah (Arabic Sakinah, Peace of Reassurance). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shekhinah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakina 9.26-27: Then Allah sent His peace of reassurance (Sakînatahu) down upon His messenger and upon the believers, and sent down hosts ye could not see, and punished those who disbelieved. Such is the reward of disbelievers. ---Then afterward Allah will relent toward whom He will (Yashâ'u); for Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. In 'Who's the Koranic Father of Jesus?' I argued this against two Muslims: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=8505 Ghalibkhastahaal (Ghalib) viewtopic.php?p=135561#p135561 viewtopic.php?p=135838#p135838 AhmedBahgat (AB) viewtopic.php?p=135580#p135580 viewtopic.php?p=135799#p135799 viewtopic.php?p=136375#p136375 My answers to AB viewtopic.php?p=135620#p135620 viewtopic.php?p=135793#p135793 viewtopic.php?p=135810#p135810 Answers to Ghalib viewtopic.php?p=135622#p135622 viewtopic.php?p=135752#p135752 viewtopic.php?p=135795#p135795 viewtopic.php?p=136028#p136028 My last answer to AB viewtopic.php?p=136720#p136720 Truly, we're back to the Hindu Isa Upanishad http://www.hinduwebsite.com/isaintrod.asp
As I've said, the more I study the Koran the more I find it akin to Hinduism. Even Allah has a duplicate in the Vedic Varuna! His relation with Isa best explained by the one existing between Varuna and Mitra! Reference: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8394 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varuna
And the Vedic Rta, or the later Hindu Dharma, being reproduced in the Koranic Deen (Din)! And Allah/Isa being but... Varuna/Mitra! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitra_%28Vedic%29
In Zoroastrianism, Varuna became Ahura (Vedic Agni) while Mitra developed independently (the mediator between mankind and Godhead)... 19.21: ... We may make of him a revelation (ayatan, see above) for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained. 19.34: Such was Jesus, son (ABNU, see above) of Mary: a statement of the truth (Qawla Al-Ĥaqqi) concerning which they doubt. We must always keep in mind the cosmic relation between the infinite sky and our own source of light, the sun. This is timely stressed in Hinduism by Varuna/Mitra; Prajapati/Pusan; Vishnu/Krishna or the Brahman/Ishvara. If the son is the 'first born of all creation' (Col.2.15), it is indebted itself to the Universe for it's own existence. Thus we're all the sons of the sun while being -with it-, and everything there is, the sons of the infinite... Yet not of biological belonging (walid) but of appertaining to (ibn)! On this kind of togetherness lies the relation between Allah and Rahman, the Koranic father of Jesus-Christ. 43.45: ...Did We ever appoint gods to be worshiped beside the Beneficent ? Only this 'appearance' of Isa as a human (the Hindu concept of avatar) explains 4.157 and 3.59 perfectly. Kalimatullah and Ruhun Minhu means that Yeshua is ONE (Hindu avatar) WITH GOD, as in Allah's yasha'a! In other words: Jesus is by himself, the incarnated message of Allah, a Mercy and a Revelation unto mankind (19.21). As His Kalimatullah, His Ruhullah and His Will (Yasha'a Allah), Yeshua/Isa is the verb ''BE'' and that's it (2.116-117, etc). 3.39: And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary: Allah giveth thee glad tidings of (a son whose name is) John, (who cometh) to confirm a word from Allah, LORDLY, chaste, a prophet... So the Word was timelessly present WITH Allah, until it became appearance (avatar) in the flesh... Which makes the Decisive Word of an honored prophet, Isa, as per 69.40, 81.19, 86.13, 3.45, 4.171! And this honored messenger is what these verses are all about: 69.40: Certainly, it is the Word brought by an honored Messenger (Innahu Laqawlu Rasûlin Karîmin). 81.19: That this is in truth the word of an honored messenger, (Innahu laqawlu rasoolin kareemin). 86.13: Most surely it is a decisive word (Innahu Laqawlun Fa؛lun). Nothing to do with Gabriel, an unwilled automaton who had to bow to Adam so obligated by Allah's Will, ie. Yasha'u (Hebrew, Yeshua). RESUMING: --In the Koran, Isa is a title rather than a proper name. --This title has a Phoenician/Hindu root close to that of the Vedic Mitra (modern Ishvara). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishvara --It obviously came in Islam through the Nestorians. --The expression -Isa ibna Maryam- emphasizes that Jesus was created in a pure fashion. --Isa isn't the biological (walid) son of God but an emanation from Him, i.e. His logos. --Isa is the Spirit, Wisdom and Word of the Beneficent (ar-Rahman). --His body is but a prosopon, an avatar. As such Isa is God's incarnation unto mankind. --Isa and his mother are both signs (ayaat) and portents, much like the creation itself. --The proper name Yeshua became Allah's will (Yasha'a) throughout the Koran. From the Bhavishya Purana isha muurtirt-dradi praptaa nityashuddha sivamkari ishamasihah ca iti mama nama pratishthitam (etc). Having placed the eternally pure and propitious form of the Supreme Lord in my heart, oh protector of planet Earth, I preached these principles through the same religion of Mlecca and so my name became Isha-masihah (Lord purifier). Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.
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