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Dubious Quotes From Notable People Praising Mohammed/Islam

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:45 pm
by Gezza
Copied to Resource Centre for future reference.
SAM posteth thusly:

- Heraclius, the great Roman Emperor, asked questions about Prophet Muhammad when he received a letter from the Prophet inviting him to Islam; Heraclius reached to the conclusion of the truth of Muhammad's call and said "If I were in his presence I would wash his feet"

No evidence outside Muslim sources any such statement was ever made. Heraclius fought the Muslims and died a Christian.
- Al-Najashi, the King of Habasha (Ethiopia), he was a Christian king. His beard became wet with tears when he heard some of what the Prophet came with (verses from the Holy Quran), he said "These words and what Jesus said come from the same lantern".

Again no evidence outside muslim sources Al-Najashi ever said this. The early Muslims who fled to Ethiopia were given refuge by Al-Najashi. The Banu Quraysh sent men to ask him to send them back saying they were religious troublemakers whose relatives wanted them to return. Being a good man he refused to send them back without giving them a hearing. Their leader deceived him into thinking Islam accepted Jesus as God, by saying they saw Jesus as "God's servant, His prophet, His spirit, and His word which He cast upon the virgin Mary". The tears bit just sounds daft.
- Lamartine, the French philosopher, writer, and politician said "Muhammad is The Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, and Conqueror of people's wild desires. In all standards by which human greatness is measured, we may well ask: is there any man greater than Prophet Muhammad?"

Yes, and Lamartine also said of Catholic Priests: "There is a man in every parish, having no family, but belonging to a family that is worldwide; who is called in as a witness and adviser in all the important affairs of human life. No one comes into the world or goes out of it without his ministrations. He takes the child from its mother’s arms, and parts with him only at the grave. He blesses and consecrates the cradle, the bridal chamber, the bed of death, and the bier. He is one whom innocent children instinctively venerate and reverence, and to whom men of venerable age come to seek for wisdom, and call him father; at whose feet men fall down and lay bare the innermost thoughts of their souls, and weep their most sacred tears. He is one whose mission is to console the afflicted, and soften the pains of body and soul; to whose door come alike the rich and the poor. He belongs to no social class, because he belongs equally to all. He is one, in fine, who knows all, has a right to speak unreservedly, and whose speech, inspired from on high, falls on the minds and hearts of all with the authority of one who is divinely sent, and with the constraining power of one who has an unclouded faith."
- George Bernard Shaw, the English playwright said "The world much in need of a man like Muhammad's bright thinking, such a man were to assume leadership and rule of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems and bring peace and happiness to it"

This quote attributed to GBS can be found posted all over the Internet. It has even been used by Muslims in a major "anti-Islamophobia" ad campaign in Australia. The reference provide for this quote is The Genuine Islam. However, according to the International Shaw Society treasurer Richard F Dietrich, who had compiled a complete list of Shaw's works, The Genuine Islam is "bogus". No such book exists.
GBS also said "Hinduism [is] the most tolerant religion in the world, because its one transcendent God includes all possible Gods…Hinduism is so elastic and so subtle that the profoundest Methodist and the crudest idolater are equally at home in it. Islam is very different, being ferociously intolerant. What I may call Manifold Monotheism becomes in the minds of very simple folk an absurdly polytheistic idolatry, just as European peasants not only worship Saints and the Virgin as Gods, but will fight fanatically for their faith in the ugly little black doll who is the Virgin of their own Church against the black doll of the next village. When the Arabs had run this sort of idolatry to such extremes [that] they did this without black dolls and worshipped any stone that looked funny, Mahomet rose up at the risk of his life and insulted the stones shockingly, declaring that there is only one God, Allah, the glorious, the great… And there was to be no nonsense about toleration. You accepted Allah or you had your throat cut by someone who did accept him, and who went to Paradise for having sent you to Hell. Mahomet was a great Protestant religious force, like George Fox or Wesley."
- Michael Hart said "My choice of Muhammad to be on the top the list of the "World's most influential person in history" may come as a surprise to some people, but he is the only person in history who was supremely successful in both the religious and secular levels"

A strange supporter. Hart's an astrophysicist and author, and a jewish american white separatist who has proposed partitioning the USA into a white state, a black state, a Hispanic state, and an integrated mixed-race state.
- Mahatma Ghandi, the great Indian leader said "After I finished reading the second part of the Biography of Muhammad, I felt the need to know more about this great personality, he uncontested, won the hearts of millions of people"

Yes I believe he said this. Gandhi was a wonderful man. A Hindu who believed all men and women were children of God. He was famously tolerant of all religions but as he was a committed Hindu, Muhammad would've probably regarded him as an idolator destined for hell because he didn't accept Islam. Islamic/Hindu incompatibilities wrecked his dream of a united India
- Thomas Carlyle, the English writer, said "I like Muhammad for his free of Hypocrisy nature, with clear and sound words, he addressed the Roman Tsars and the Kings of Persia and he guided them to what he loves for them in this life and in the eternal life"

Thomas Carlyle was a Scottish agnostic philosopher/historian who gave a series of lectures in 1840 titled, “On Heroes and Hero-Worship.” He selected Muhammad to be his example of a Prophet as a Hero, and his discourse has been a cornucopia of quotations on the shortcomings of Islam on one hand and examples of blatant “Orientalism” on the other.Today, Carlyle is most remembered for his most unflattering description of the Quran: "I must say, it is as toilsome reading as I ever undertook. A wearisome confused jumble, crude, incondite; endless iterations, long-windedness, entanglement; most crude; -- insupportable stupidity, in short! Nothing but a sense of duty could carry any European through the Koran."
- George Wells, The English Author regards Prophet Muhammad the greatest personality who established a state for justice and tolerance.

Probably they mean H G Wells. He also wrote "A Short History of the World, first published in 1922, which promised to be a concise form of world history for the general reader. In a chapter entitled 'Muhammad and Islam', Wells made several disparaging remarks about the Prophet Muhammad, pronouncing him a man of 'very considerable vanity, greed, cunning, self-deception and quite sincere religious passion'. Although he states that Islam was an empowering and inspirational religion, he made sweeping generalisations about the religion. Wells's view of the Qur'an was no less damning: for him it was 'unworthy of its alleged Divine authorship'. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rehana- ... 95942.html
- Leitner, the English researcher, said "I declare my hope to see a day coming in which the Christians will highly respect Jesus through their respect to Prophet Muhammad, truly the Christians who recognize the religion and the right path brought by Prophet Muhammad is the true Christians.

This will be Gotlieb Leitner. He wasn't actually English he was born a Hungarian jew. At the age of eight he went to Constantinople to learn Arabic and Turkish, and by ten he was fluent in Turkish, Arabic and most European languages, and he learnt even more later. At fifteen, he was appointed Interpreter (First Class) to the British Commissariat in the Crimea as a colonel. When the Crimean War ended, he wanted to become a priest and went to study at King's College London. He was very much interested in Islam, toured Muslim countries, adopting a muslim name, Abdur Rasheed Sayyah (Sayyah in Arabic meaning traveller). At 23 he was appointed Professor in Arabic and Muslim Law at King's College London. He helped fund the 1st UK mosque in Woking and the Aligarh Muslim University in India. That quote doesn't sound authentic though: the English is too poor, & he was educated in English.
- Leo Tolstoy, the famous Russian writer and Philosopher, believes that the religion and Shari'a laws brought by Muhammad will prevail over the whole world, it is in conformity with mind and wisdom"

No evidence outside a couple of muslim claims using the exact same phrase, and no other context, that Tolstoy ever made any such statement, and it seems unlikely he did. Tolstoy was an anarchist pacifist Christian and there's no mention of anything to do with Islam on Wikipedia or non-muslim sources that I can find. I think it's probably some muslim's invention.
- Jean-Louis Michon, The French orientalist, said "Islam which ordered Jihad or Holy war, had much tolerance towards the followers of other religions. As per the teachings of Muhammad, Omar Bin Al-Khattab (The 2nd Caliph in Islam) did not inflict any harm on the Christian community when he conquered Jerusalem.

Yep Michon seems to have been a big fan. He doesn't seem to be bothered that it was their city and they still had to submit to Muslim rule and pay the jizya though.
- Gustav Lobon, the well-known French Historian, said "Muhammad is the greatest man that history ever knew"

Probably true (his name is actually Gustave Le Bon, so much for the "well-known" bit). He was another big fan of Muhammad and accepted the Muslim perspective of him as a kind, moral, and just leader.
- Will Durant, the author of "The Story of Civilization" said "If we rated greatness by the influence of the great, we will say "Muhammad is the greatest of the great in history".

Yes, another fan of Muhammad.

These quotes aren't all necessarily believable you realise SAM? Anyway, my problems with Muhammad are his pretending that that confusing, repetitious, religiously-biased, contradictory Quran he dictated makes sense & came from God. The muddled mess it actually is, and the different Sunnan & figh, have led to several centuries of bloodshed, aggressive conquests, internecine warfare, sectarian killings, oppression and killing of unbelievers and various people they demonize, and it's still happening today. So how can he seriously be considered to be the moral example for men when so many of his followers of today act like savages?

Re: Dubious Quotes From Notable People Praising Mohammed/Isl

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:18 am
by manfred
Regarding the "gospel of Barnabas"

This text is frequently quoted by Muslims to support various things in Islam, pretending "real gospels" are Islamic. This brief article is exploring the origin of the "gospel of Barnabas".

There are number of other very odd things in this text betraying its real purpose and origin.

First, Jesus did not have a desciple called Barnabas at all. We have the names of the twelve desciples listed several times in the gospels. Barnabas is not among them.

According to the Acts of the apostles,one of the oldest NT texts, Barnabas was a Jew from Cypus anda very early convert to Christianity. He was given the name Bar-nabas (son of encouragement) by the apostles, because the sold a field to help them finanically, his real name was Joseph. Barnabas has not met Jesus ever, but this gospel of Barnabas tells us that not only that they talked to each other but also that called him Barnabas, a nickname he acquired after the death of Jesus.

The other strange thing is that Barnabas in this text supports the retention of circumcision and other Jewish practices. This makes no sense at all. Barnabas was a very close friend of Paul. They traveled together and helped each other. The bible specifically tells us that when the issue of circumcision for Christians was discussed amongst the apostles in Jerusalem, Barnabas supported Paul and argued against the retention of circumcision. He would never have written at text like that gospel text.

When was it written?
The text itself has a few clues.

'Readily and with gladness they went to their death, so as not to offend against the law of God given by Moses his servant, and go and serve false and lying gods. (Gospel of Barnabas, p.27).

That phrase can be found a few times in the text. The EXACT match to a common phrase from Dante's Inferno, in EXACTLY the same Italian words. The descriptions of hell in the Gospel of Barnabas (pp. 76-77) match those in the third canto of Dante's Inferno as well.

'Know ye therefore that hell is one, yet hath seven centres one below another. Hence, even as sin is of seven kinds, for as seven gates of hell hath Satan generated it: so there are seven punishments therein'. (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.171).


This is exactly Dante's description in the fifth and sixth cantos of his Inferno.

Then, we read in the Gospel of Barnabas that there are nine heavens and that Paradise like Dante's Empyrean - is the tenth heaven above all the other nine. The author of the Gospel of Barnabas makes Jesus say:

'Paradise is so great that no man can measure it. Verily I say unto thee that the heavens are nine ... I say to thee that paradise is greater than all the earth and all the heavens together'. (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.223).


Obviously the author of the Gospel of Barnabas knew Dante's work and had no scruples to quote from it. So it could not have been written earlier than the fourteenth century - hundreds of years after the times of Jesus and Muhammad.

Then there is another passage that helps dating the text:

'And then through all the world will God be worshipped, and mercy received, insomuch that the year of jubilee, which now cometh every hundred years, shall by the Messiah be reduced to every year in every place.' (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.104).


The jubelee year now cometh every 100 years.
In biblical times, there was a jubelee year every 50 years

A jubilee shall that fiftieth year be to you. Leviticus 25.11


In the Christian era is was exactly the same, except for just a very short time:

Pope Boniface VIII changed the jubilee to every 100 years. His successor changed it back to every 50 years. He was pope from 1294 to 1303. So the text must have been written in those years. Dante was is full bloom then and famous throughout Europe, so it fits together perfectly.

It also mentions a Spanish coin:

'For he who would get in change a piece of gold must have sixty mites'. (The Gospel of Barnabas, p.71)


This betrays Spanish background.

In conclusion, the text was writtten between 1294 and 1303,by a man with connections to Spain and Italy, who knew and quoted Dante, most probably a Muslim who got displaced by the reconquista and then decided to enact a revenge on Christians by writing a Muslim gospel.

So there is no mystery how Mohammed got into that text at all.

Re: Dubious Quotes From Notable People Praising Mohammed/Isl

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:01 am
by cl6ub
My being muslim today is free from other people influences. But most people - regardless what religion or ideology they follow - relied on other people opinion to strengthen their belief.

There was a brief moment in my life that I look in others, that is thing of the past. If I don't understand Islam by myself there will be time when I will.

Re: Dubious Quotes From Notable People Praising Mohammed/Isl

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:18 am
by manfred
cl6ub, I am sorry being such a bore, but this section is only for articles and such, discussions about them elsewhere.
Your comment however is a valuable one and I want to keep it. Could you therefore suggest a different place to put it?

I will delete this comment and you reply to once you tell me what to do.

Re: Dubious Quotes From Notable People Praising Mohammed/Isl

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:21 am
by M85
Hi Manfred and cl6ub,

Sorry to post here (Manfred, please remove afterwards). I would suggest the possibility of "God & Religion" -> "Positive Attributes of Islam" thread perhaps. viewtopic.php?f=71&t=16780

cl6ub, see what you think of this mentioned thread.

Re: Dubious Quotes From Notable People Praising Mohammed/Isl

PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:06 am
by skynightblaze
Here is a list of quotes from famous non muslims criticizing islam.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/quotes-from ... mreligion/

Muslims often quote some famous personalities to tell us islam is a good religion. This is a fallacy i.e argument from authority.

You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.

It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence. However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not.

Example: Not able to defend his position that evolution 'isn't true' Bob says that he knows a scientist who also questions evolution (and presumably isn't a primate).


https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

Re: Dubious Quotes From Notable People Praising Mohammed/Isl

PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:23 am
by cl6ub
manfred wrote:cl6ub, I am sorry being such a bore, but this section is only for articles and such, discussions about them elsewhere.
Your comment however is a valuable one and I want to keep it. Could you therefore suggest a different place to put it?

I will delete this comment and you reply to once you tell me what to do.

manfred you run this site you do whatever you think it is fit. I guaranty you that you hear no complain from me.

Thanks for the info.