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A reply to Anders Gravers.

Postby Truthsayer » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:54 pm

A response to this article: http://www.faithfreedom.org/islam/real- ... ng-america

I am here to warn Americans about two Muslim war strategies: the salami method, slice by slice so no one opposes

Is there anyone who genuinely thinks there exist a carefully woven plot to islamize Europe, step by step? If so, please go seek help.

The basic understanding of a dhimmi is a person who is under Islam’s so-called protection and pay Muslims, “jizya”, a kind of "protection money". A lot of Christians live under very bad conditions as dhimmies all over the Muslim world but today I will use the word dhimmi in another way.

Name a single place in the world where anyone lives as designated dhimmis. You can't because no such place exist in the world. Nor do you present any evidence that people who have been designated as dhinmis have historically lived under bad conditions.

We use dhimmi to describe mainly left-wing multicultural people who are Muslim appeasers

Or another way to put it: "We describe anyone we disagree with as a dhimmi, because villification of people we disagree with is much easier than arguing our point. We're shameless demagogues who appeal to people's fear and predjuices, rather than their intellectual side. Also, it makes us sound real knowledgeable about islam"

Muslims demanded special times for Muslim women only to use the public swimming pool because Muslim women are not allowed to swim together with men.

If some women feel uncomfortable in bathing suits in front of men, what the hell is the problem? And why the hell do you care if they get a day to go swimming? People like you aren't satisfied with integration, you want complete and total assimilation. There must be absolutely no sign that they are in any way different to the "natives".

Muslim men demanded curtains in the changing room in the shower section because Muslim men are not allowed to show themselves naked in front of other men. They have got their curtains.

The Muslim children are not allowed to take showers with the other children after gym hours in school.

What is it with your obsession with where and when different people feel comfortable bathing?

The Muslims can't even be dead together with the so-called non-believers in the mortuaries in the hospitals. Muslim relatives have demanded special rooms for their dead family members. And they have got it – paid for by our tax money.

An outrage!

In some cemeteries, the dead are buried facing Mecca – Muslim or not.

LOL. So even the most mundane religous detail that in no way affects anything or anyone whatsoever can not be accomodated. How about you go get a life rather than worrying about what direction the dead are buried in?

In England, a church was converted into a mosque and the Christian graves there were bulldozed to oblivion.

Christianity is dying, Islam is blossoming. Those are the facts. Muslims buy buildings, and make them into a house of religious worship. Again, I fail to see the secret plot.

Pigs were removed from children’s books and banks have removed the children’s piggy banks because they offend the Muslims’ feelings.

LOL. Did Muslims demand that, or did they remove the pigs per own initiative as an empty gesture to attract muslim buisness? I think the latter.

Muslims have demanded praying rooms in the schools and have got it.

This does nothing to impact the daily life of anyone or anything else.

Everybody is obliged to take any kind of job offered when getting social welfare, but unemployed Muslim women are allowed to say no to certain jobs where they could come in contact with men – or with pork meat.

Does the same not go for anyone else? Is a Danish women not allowed to turn down a job for a legal brothel? Can jews not deny jobs where they come in to contact with pork as well? Where's this "special treament" you keep talking about?

At Christmas time, big supermarkets have removed the Christian Christmas decorations, just because it could offend the Muslims.

Even if such a thing happended, did Muslims demand it, or were the buisnesses trying to attract muslim costumers? Anyway, it sounds pretty weird, since even Muslim capitals had large Christmas decorations last year.

Ninety-nine percent of all poultry in Denmark is now halal-slaughtered, and a fee is paid to Muslim organizations for each poultry that is slaughtered that way.

Large food chains such as KFC now only offer halal meat in some stores.

Do you not believe in the free market? Supply and Demand? Are you a communist? :ohmy:

Some of the schools in Copenhagen have recently introduced mothers-only parent-teacher meetings. The fact is that they are appeasing the Muslim men who do not allow their wives to take part in any meetings where men are present. Therefore, Danish fathers have to stay home when women-only meetings take place.

It was only one school actually. And it was quite shameful to say the least what a large case people like you made of it.

Because of the cartoon crisis, journalists no longer dare to publish Muhammed cartoons in the newspapers. Books have been rewritten because of fear of violent Muslims and recently, an auction house didn't want to sell a drawing made by Kurt Westergaard, the artist who drew the Muhammed cartoon, because of fear from Muslim protests. Clearly, Sharia censorship is creeping in.

Quite an odd thing coming from SIAD, an organization that publish personal information, adresses, phone numbers etc. about their opponents. And who recently called for the execution of Danish mosque-builders for treason.

In Denmark we have the right to demonstrate in any public place we like. As long as the demonstrations are peaceful the police cannot forbid them. But because of the increasing Muslim population, the police have now ordered the demonstrations to stay out of certain areas with many Muslim inhabitants.

The reason: the police fear Muslim violence and vandalism.

Ha! That is a blatant lie. The police ordered SIAD demonstrators out of areas with large muslim populations because of the neo-nazis and hooligans with a violent record you brought along.

In other words, we now have areas where Muslims control the streets and where Danish law no longer applies. We have to hire professional security for our own legal demonstrations.

:lol: . By "hire professional security" you mean call your friends the neo-nazis to come along to attack Muslim counter-demonstrators.

Muslim criminal gangs are ruling the streets in many of the major cities in Europe where their dominant behavior spreads fear amongst the people living there.

Why exactly should these gangs be described as "Muslim" rather than "immigrant", since they're not exclusively muslim? What exactly makes them different from the much larger criminal gangs from the former USSR, or the Italian organized crime in America?

In Copenhagen, Muslim gangs have made special zones where people will be body searched if they want to pass through.

Uh, care to provide any proof of that? Even if it was true, it's probably based on a legitimate fear of Hells Angels and Bandidos criminals attacking them for no reason, as they have done many times in the past.

This dominant behavior spreads to non-Muslim areas as well. If a person meets a group of young Muslims on the street and dares to look them in the eyes, the Muslims take that as a provocation and attack the person. This happens every day. Most Danes now look down when passing Muslim groups as a result of their dominant behavior.

That is a load of fabricated baloney."Looking them in the eyes" LOL.

Rape is also a part of the dominant behavior. Rapes have increased over the last 20 years and many do not report the rape because of threats. Sweden is the most compliant nation of all European countries and they have one of the highest rape rates in Europe. Most of them are committed by Muslims.

Alot of people have made that claim. None backed it up with any evidence so far. Though there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Greenland is part of the Danish state, which is why there are many Greenlanders in Denmark. Some of them have been stoned out of Muslim areas, and they have actually been expelled from Gellerup, a Muslim area in the second biggest town Århus.

So Muslims hate greenlanders now, eh? :lol: The poor treatment of greenlanders in Denmark is exclusively done by ethnic Danes.

Jews are being hunted down and beaten up in Europe these days. Many Jews dare not to wear their kippa in certain areas because they fear violent attacks from Muslims. In fact many Jews have now left Europe because it is no longer safe to live in major cities in Europe as a Jew. Jews have also left Denmark because of that. It hurts to watch this development in Denmark, because Denmark is known for our rescuing of numerous Jews during World War II. Now, Police Intelligence has openly declared that they cannot even guarantee their safety anymore.

The vast majority of hate crimes in Europe are against Muslims. How can you explain the increasing anti-semitism in Hungary, a land with almost no Muslims?
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Re: A reply to Anders Gravers.

Postby Cassie » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:05 am

It's an outrage because you didn't pay for the public swimming pools. We did. You do not have the right to dictate to us. If you feel uncomfortable swimming in mixed company - go build your own swimming pools - with YOUR money.
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Re: A reply to Anders Gravers.

Postby Sten » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:26 am

TS wrote:The vast majority of hate crimes in Europe are against Muslims.

Evidence please, or I will have to conclude that you pulled this out of your ass.
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Re: A reply to Anders Gravers.

Postby expozIslam » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:19 pm

Truthsayer wrote:A response to this article: http://www.faithfreedom.org/islam/real- ... ng-america

I am here to warn Americans about two Muslim war strategies: the salami method, slice by slice so no one opposes

Is there anyone who genuinely thinks there exist a carefully woven plot to islamize Europe, step by step? If so, please go seek help.

if there isn't, then why are so many mosques being built by funding from Middle East when the same money could have been used to eradicate the poverty in muslim world?
Truthsayer wrote:
The basic understanding of a dhimmi is a person who is under Islam’s so-called protection and pay Muslims, “jizya”, a kind of "protection money". A lot of Christians live under very bad conditions as dhimmies all over the Muslim world but today I will use the word dhimmi in another way.

Name a single place in the world where anyone lives as designated dhimmis.

Name a single place where non-muslims are given the same rights and treatment that muslims are? I bet you can't name even one. I can list a 100 countries where muslims are pandered to and protected even though it is the muslims who are the perpetrators of most attacks.
Truthsayer wrote:You can't because no such place exist in the world. Nor do you present any evidence that people who have been designated as dhinmis have historically lived under bad conditions.

Either you are lying or are ignorant. Just read how copts are treated in Egypt, how non-muslims in Pakistan are forced to pay jizya by islamic outfits and how goverment institutions collude with these islamic outfits to harass the minorities. While all muslims are free to do dawah in non-muslim countries, which muslim country allows non-muslims to spread their religion?
Truthsayer wrote:
We use dhimmi to describe mainly left-wing multicultural people who are Muslim appeasers

Or another way to put it: "We describe anyone we disagree with as a dhimmi, because villification of people we disagree with is much easier than arguing our point. We're shameless demagogues who appeal to people's fear and predjuices, rather than their intellectual side. Also, it makes us sound real knowledgeable about islam"

Where is this real knowledge of islam and why is it the the ones who spend more time reading and understanding islam are the ones most likely to commit terror acts?
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Muslims demanded special times for Muslim women only to use the public swimming pool because Muslim women are not allowed to swim together with men.

If some women feel uncomfortable in bathing suits in front of men, what the hell is the problem? And why the hell do you care if they get a day to go swimming? People like you aren't satisfied with integration, you want complete and total assimilation. There must be absolutely no sign that they are in any way different to the "natives".

If you are uncomfortable in what is considered normal in non-muslim culture, just don't go there. It is as simple as that or fund your own pools but why should publicly funded institutions pander to your medieval culture.
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Muslim men demanded curtains in the changing room in the shower section because Muslim men are not allowed to show themselves naked in front of other men. They have got their curtains.

The Muslim children are not allowed to take showers with the other children after gym hours in school.

What is it with your obsession with where and when different people feel comfortable bathing?
The Muslims can't even be dead together with the so-called non-believers in the mortuaries in the hospitals. Muslim relatives have demanded special rooms for their dead family members. And they have got it – paid for by our tax money.

An outrage!

Really. it is outrageous when muslims cannot even share the mortuaries.
Truthsayer wrote:
In some cemeteries, the dead are buried facing Mecca – Muslim or not.

LOL. So even the most mundane religous detail that in no way affects anything or anyone whatsoever can not be accomodated.

Can you name one islamic country where religious sentiments of minorities are accomodated?
Truthsayer wrote:How about you go get a life rather than worrying about what direction the dead are buried in?

How about you speak truth atleast once?
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In England, a church was converted into a mosque and the Christian graves there were bulldozed to oblivion.

Christianity is dying, Islam is blossoming. Those are the facts. Muslims buy buildings, and make them into a house of religious worship. Again, I fail to see the secret plot.

Islam will also die faster if islamic countries allowed their people access to liberal ideas and just because muslims breed like vermins does not mean that islam is blossoming.
Truthsayer wrote:
Pigs were removed from children’s books and banks have removed the children’s piggy banks because they offend the Muslims’ feelings.

LOL. Did Muslims demand that, or did they remove the pigs per own initiative as an empty gesture to attract muslim buisness? I think the latter.

Muslims have demanded praying rooms in the schools and have got it.

This does nothing to impact the daily life of anyone or anything else.

It does. Money that could have been spent on doing something worthwhile has been spent on yet another breeding ground for terror.
Truthsayer wrote:
Everybody is obliged to take any kind of job offered when getting social welfare, but unemployed Muslim women are allowed to say no to certain jobs where they could come in contact with men – or with pork meat.

Does the same not go for anyone else? Is a Danish women not allowed to turn down a job for a legal brothel? Can jews not deny jobs where they come in to contact with pork as well? Where's this "special treament" you keep talking about?

Where isn't?
Truthsayer wrote:
At Christmas time, big supermarkets have removed the Christian Christmas decorations, just because it could offend the Muslims.

Even if such a thing happended, did Muslims demand it, or were the buisnesses trying to attract muslim costumers? Anyway, it sounds pretty weird, since even Muslim capitals had large Christmas decorations last year.

Ninety-nine percent of all poultry in Denmark is now halal-slaughtered, and a fee is paid to Muslim organizations for each poultry that is slaughtered that way.

Large food chains such as KFC now only offer halal meat in some stores.

Do you not believe in the free market? Supply and Demand? Are you a communist? :ohmy:

and a further reason why muslim immigration has to be stopped. Halal is discriminator as it excluded every non-muslim from participating in that business.
Truthsayer wrote:
Some of the schools in Copenhagen have recently introduced mothers-only parent-teacher meetings. The fact is that they are appeasing the Muslim men who do not allow their wives to take part in any meetings where men are present. Therefore, Danish fathers have to stay home when women-only meetings take place.

It was only one school actually. And it was quite shameful to say the least what a large case people like you made of it.

It always starts with one and then spreads.
Truthsayer wrote:
Because of the cartoon crisis, journalists no longer dare to publish Muhammed cartoons in the newspapers. Books have been rewritten because of fear of violent Muslims and recently, an auction house didn't want to sell a drawing made by Kurt Westergaard, the artist who drew the Muhammed cartoon, because of fear from Muslim protests. Clearly, Sharia censorship is creeping in.

Quite an odd thing coming from SIAD, an organization that publish personal information, adresses, phone numbers etc. about their opponents. And who recently called for the execution of Danish mosque-builders for treason.

So, you do agree that they are telling the truth.
Truthsayer wrote:
In Denmark we have the right to demonstrate in any public place we like. As long as the demonstrations are peaceful the police cannot forbid them. But because of the increasing Muslim population, the police have now ordered the demonstrations to stay out of certain areas with many Muslim inhabitants.

The reason: the police fear Muslim violence and vandalism.

Ha! That is a blatant lie. The police ordered SIAD demonstrators out of areas with large muslim populations because of the neo-nazis and hooligans with a violent record you brought along.

and yet all videos point to muslims going berserk when others had right to protest.
Truthsayer wrote:
In other words, we now have areas where Muslims control the streets and where Danish law no longer applies. We have to hire professional security for our own legal demonstrations.

:lol: . By "hire professional security" you mean call your friends the neo-nazis to come along to attack Muslim counter-demonstrators.

By trying to brand everyone who calls islamic supremacists for what are they are, you are trying to deflect attention to fascist aspirations of muslims.
Truthsayer wrote:
Muslim criminal gangs are ruling the streets in many of the major cities in Europe where their dominant behavior spreads fear amongst the people living there.

Why exactly should these gangs be described as "Muslim" rather than "immigrant", since they're not exclusively muslim? What exactly makes them different from the much larger criminal gangs from the former USSR, or the Italian organized crime in America?

~Their single minded devotion to attacking infidels.
Truthsayer wrote:
In Copenhagen, Muslim gangs have made special zones where people will be body searched if they want to pass through.

Uh, care to provide any proof of that? Even if it was true, it's probably based on a legitimate fear of Hells Angels and Bandidos criminals attacking them for no reason, as they have done many times in the past.

This dominant behavior spreads to non-Muslim areas as well. If a person meets a group of young Muslims on the street and dares to look them in the eyes, the Muslims take that as a provocation and attack the person. This happens every day. Most Danes now look down when passing Muslim groups as a result of their dominant behavior.

That is a load of fabricated baloney."Looking them in the eyes" LOL.

There are far too many areas in Europe where the natives/non-muslims cannot go for fear of attacks by muslims.
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Rape is also a part of the dominant behavior. Rapes have increased over the last 20 years and many do not report the rape because of threats. Sweden is the most compliant nation of all European countries and they have one of the highest rape rates in Europe. Most of them are committed by Muslims.

Alot of people have made that claim. None backed it up with any evidence so far. Though there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.

There are published reports from police departments that indicate this. THere is sufficient evidence in this regard. Proportion of muslims in prison population and statistics clearly tell the truth if you really want to know the truth.
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Greenland is part of the Danish state, which is why there are many Greenlanders in Denmark. Some of them have been stoned out of Muslim areas, and they have actually been expelled from Gellerup, a Muslim area in the second biggest town Århus.

So Muslims hate greenlanders now, eh? :lol: The poor treatment of greenlanders in Denmark is exclusively done by ethnic Danes.

Jews are being hunted down and beaten up in Europe these days. Many Jews dare not to wear their kippa in certain areas because they fear violent attacks from Muslims. In fact many Jews have now left Europe because it is no longer safe to live in major cities in Europe as a Jew. Jews have also left Denmark because of that. It hurts to watch this development in Denmark, because Denmark is known for our rescuing of numerous Jews during World War II. Now, Police Intelligence has openly declared that they cannot even guarantee their safety anymore.

The vast majority of hate crimes in Europe are against Muslims. How can you explain the increasing anti-semitism in Hungary, a land with almost no Muslims?

Vast majority of hate crimes in Europe are against Jews by muslims and not against muslims. Muslims are pandered to and appeased while the jews are being forced to submit because of violence perpetrated by muslims.
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Postby Wootah » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:43 pm

Sten wrote:
TS wrote:The vast majority of hate crimes in Europe are against Muslims.


Muslim men abusing Muslim women?
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