Refuting Ali Sina's assertions on Obama

[diotima64]

Listening to Britney Spears' views on Hegel's philosophy of history would be as amusing as reading Ali Sina's statements on the American political system.

well - there´s one difference: Ali knows the American political system exists. I doubt the same can be said of Britney and Hegel.

[Bob]

Listening to Britney Spears' views on Hegel's philosophy of history would be as amusing as reading Ali Sina's statements on the American political system.

well - there´s one difference: Ali knows the American political system exists. I doubt the same can be said of Britney and Hegel.

Wrong Dio. I heard Britney say on TV : "Hey guy, Hegel, that's real funky." Admittedly, I was somewhat surprised.

[Ram]

Ram:Obama has been elected in a fair democratic election. He will be out of office in 2012 if people think that he is not good for the USA. If he is re-elected, he will out of office in 2016 permanently. There is no need to belly ache about him. He is not a dictator. It is evil for Ali Sina to accuse Obama of killing his grandmother.

Thats not how Ali views US elections.

To him it was no ordinary election and no ordinary politician. People dont realise that this blunder of electing Obma can engulf whole world, perhapes as bad as planet earth sucked up by blcak hole. Ofcourse black hole analogy is mine. Meaning US and world wil never recover from giving power to maglo, narcissist, diabolic, hitlerian , Mohmmedian dictator. Damage done by him dwarfs in compariosion to any other UD president.

What damage you are talking about? Please prove to me that Obama is a fascist. Obama is naive but he is not evil. He is a dhimmi minded but so was Bush. After 9/11, Bush even went to a mosque in NY city to placate Muslims, he should not have. In that sense Bush is not any better than Obama. Canadian politicians are the biggest dhimmis. The province of Ontario almost enacted Sharia law but stopped because of intense criticism from the left as well the right. Blunder is in your head only.

If Obama decides to get re-elected for the 3rd term or he changes the constitution to make himself a president for life, then I'd agree with you. Do you see any evidence of that? You think American people are stupid. The democracy in the US is strong. Congress will never allow Obama to do anything so drastic. Stop stewing in your own juices.

Please tell me what damage Obama has done? You are talking like a Muslim now. Islamic talk of yours is not going to help us fight the evil of Islam.

[Ram]

Ram wrote.

Obama has been elected in a fair democratic election. He will be out of office in 2012 if people think that he is not good for the USA. If he is re-elected, he will out of office in 2016 permanently. There is no need to belly ache about him. He is not a dictator. It is evil for Ali Sina to accuse Obama of killing his grandmother.

I think we all know the Holy one was elected fairly in a free election. so what. We like to belly ache, it makes us feel good, you know the left belly ached against Bush none stop, and I don't remember people being all worked up over it, its part of living in a democracy, you know ? people do that.

when we have a king we will all bow down and worship him, until then a little bellying aching about our leaders
is not all that bad, or something to worry about.

now go drink your kool aid, and relax

The left you are talking about never questioned the legitimacy of Bush' presidency. This is what happens in democratic countries. People swing from left to right and from right to left, this happens in every European country. This happens in Canada. Besides, Obama is not really a left wing, he is more centrist. Many left wing supporters of him do not support many of his policies. It is very likely that next US president will be rightist.

[Marie]

Ram"
What damage you are talking about? Please prove to me that Obama is a fascist. Obama is naive but he is not evil. He is a dhimmi minded but so was Bush. After 9/11, Bush even went to a mosque in NY city to placate Muslims, he should not have. In that sense Bush is not any better than Obama. Canadian politicians are the biggest dhimmis. The province of Ontario almost enacted Sharia law but stopped because of intense criticism from the left as well the right. Blunder is in your head only.

If Obama decides to get re-elected for the 3rd term or he changes the constitution to make himself a president for life, then I'd agree with you. Do you see any evidence of that? You think American people are stupid. The democracy in the US is strong. Congress will never allow Obama to do anything so drastic. Stop stewing in your own juices.
Please tell me what damage Obama has done? You are talking like a Muslim now. Islamic talk of yours is not going to help us fight the evil of Islam

The American people are stupid, but we love our freedom and if Obama does anything drastic like establish himself as president for life there will be another American revolution.

Bush acted like a dhimmi, but his dhimmitude is nothing in comparison with Obama's. At least Bush didn't put Muslims in positions of homeland security, and make a big speech in Cairo about America's friendship with Islam.

[Marie]

Ram wrote.

Obama has been elected in a fair democratic election. He will be out of office in 2012 if people think that he is not good for the USA. If he is re-elected, he will out of office in 2016 permanently. There is no need to belly ache about him. He is not a dictator. It is evil for Ali Sina to accuse Obama of killing his grandmother.

I think we all know the Holy one was elected fairly in a free election. so what. We like to belly ache, it makes us feel good, you know the left belly ached against Bush none stop, and I don't remember people being all worked up over it, its part of living in a democracy, you know ? people do that.

when we have a king we will all bow down and worship him, until then a little bellying aching about our leaders
is not all that bad, or something to worry about.

now go drink your kool aid, and relax

The left you are talking about never questioned the legitimacy of Bush' presidency. This is what happens in democratic countries. People swing from left to right and from right to left, this happens in every European country. This happens in Canada. Besides, Obama is not really a left wing, he is more centrist. Many left wing supporters of him do not support many of his policies. It is very likely that next US president will be rightist.

Obama a centrist? LOL.

[The Cat]

Obama a centrist? LOL.

Obama is acting much more like a moderate Republican than a liberal, let alone a centrist.
That's why so many progressives are utterly disappointed. He's eroding its own base!

If Obama Was a Liberal We'd Have a Better Bill, by Taylor Marsh.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-ma ... 01407.html

I feel sooooooo lucky to live in Canada where no one gets bankrupted or face foreclosure over health cost.

[Mindstorm]

Obama is a leftist to his very core.

[yeezevee]

Common you guys are back to Obama..

Obama is very smart politician..

For right wing he is rightist
for left he is leftist
for center he is centrist

whoever supports him he is in that side at that time..

yeezevee

[Ram]

The American people are stupid, but we love our freedom and if Obama does anything drastic like establish himself as president for life there will be another American revolution.

Here we again with inane talk. Obama has no intention of changing the US constitution, besides, there are very strong checks and balances in the US power structure. Richard Nixon tried his best to chnage the rules of the game and he paid a very heavy price, he was impeached and acquired the dubious honour being the 1st. Deviousness of Nixon was legendary - Obama is not capable of that. Nixon would have kept himself in power for life if he could, fortunately, he was stopped.

Bush acted like a dhimmi, but his dhimmitude is nothing in comparison with Obama's. At least Bush didn't put Muslims in positions of homeland security, and make a big speech in Cairo about America's friendship with Islam.

Oh yeah? How so? Bushes sleep with Saudis and lick their feet. Bushes are the biggest dhimmis in the world, no body can beat them, perhaps some Indian politicians. Obama is nowhere near that. Obama is naive, he is ignorant. He has seen only the Islam of Kenya, which is much more benign than the real Islam. Obama has many Muslim relatives who are not the fanatical variety in the Islamic sense, therefore, he sees Islam with rose colour glasses.

[Ram]

Common you guys are back to Obama..

Obama is very smart politician..

For right wing he is rightist
for left he is leftist
for center he is centrist

whoever supports him he is in that side at that time..

yeezevee

You hit nail on the head yeez. He is cool too.

[Marie]

Obama a centrist? LOL.

Obama is acting much more like a moderate Republican than a liberal, let alone a centrist.
That's why so many progressives are utterly disappointed. He's eroding its own base!

If Obama Was a Liberal We'd Have a Better Bill, by Taylor Marsh.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-ma ... 01407.html

I feel sooooooo lucky to live in Canada where no one gets bankrupted or face foreclosure over health cost.

Obama more like a moderate republican than a liberal? LOL.

I feel sooooooo lucky to live in the U.S. where I don't have to go over the border to get medical treatment.

[Marie]

for center he is centrist

Not according to Lou Dobbs.

[Marie]

Oh yeah? How so? Bushes sleep with Saudis and lick their feet. Bushes are the biggest dhimmis in the world, no body can beat them, perhaps some Indian politicians. Obama is nowhere near that. Obama is naive, he is ignorant. He has seen only the Islam of Kenya, which is much more benign than the real Islam. Obama has many Muslim relatives who are not the fanatical variety in the Islamic sense, therefore, he sees Islam with rose colour glasses.

Obama bows to the Saudis and caters to the terrorists.

You forgot to mention Obama lived in Indonesia for a few years.

[Mindstorm]

Common you guys are back to Obama..

Obama is very smart politician..

For right wing he is rightist
for left he is leftist
for center he is centrist

whoever supports him he is in that side at that time..

yeezevee

Ah yeezevee, the perfect diplomat.

I now have to point out that he is not very smart. And that doesn't change the fact that he is a full-fledged leftist.

[IoshkaFutz]

Ciao Bob,

Talk about checks and balances when the real debt is about 100 trillion and the FED is a private off shore institution (a cartel of banks responsible to no one but themselves)...



...and one in 8 Americans is on food stamps...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/us/29foodstamps.html

...and a New World Order is in the making, (based on highly tainted science) doesn't really make it.

No system, and the American one was contrived rather well, is perfect, but more importantly, no system is better than the people running it.

For example, courage might be required to face real big problems, yet in America, huge chunks of important matters cannot even be lightly broached due to political correctness.

They'll go on calling it freedom, just as Human Rights will still be called Human Rights even if Gheddafi's Libya heads the Commission, but Insanity (as well as inanity) can take hold of any system (especially when the focus is entirely on money and not family, culture, traditional virtues, etc.)

But maybe I'm wrong, so to catch up on American politics, I'll do some speed reading.



I would definitely leave a very large space (roughly equal to 100 trillion dollar bills scotch-taped to each other all the way to Pluto and back) for those who cry out "Insanity" or "evil" or "satanic"... though I personally prefer to think of it as mismanagement and incompetence, and ultimately WRONG VALUES. What else but mismanagement and incompetence and WRONG VALUES could reduce the land of plenty to food stamps?

Have yourself a Merry Christmas...

[The Cat]

The American people are stupid, but we love our freedom

I feel sooooooo lucky to live in the U.S.

LoL!

where I don't have to go over the border to get medical treatment.

Looks like industries are crossing the border because of the Canadian health care...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hale-stew ... 55967.html

Finally there is the issue of competitiveness. I'll let General Motors of Canada make the argument for me. "The Canadian plan has been a significant advantage for investing in Canada," says GM Canada spokesman David Patterson, noting that in the United States, GM spends $1,400 per car on health benefits. Indeed, with the provinces sharing 75 percent of the cost of Canadian healthcare, it's no surprise that GM, Ford and Chrysler have all been shifting car production across the border at such a rate that the name "Motor City" should belong to Windsor, not Detroit.

The American health care is only top good if you're filthy rich, but leaves more uninsured than the total population of Canada!

And at a higher cost per capita....

[Locke840]

I don't see the point of this thread.

Locke is an old friend from the times before I appeared at FFI. His angst about something on which he differs with Ali Sina is fully understandable; Ali Sina has been an inspiration for many of us wrt Islam, and many of us have been inspired by him. As far as I know he has not claimed any prophethood or any infallibility for himself. He claims to be an ex-Muslim and I haven't seen him losing any debate on Islam against anyone.

Recently he has started talking about Obama. So what? Is he not free to hold his own opinion about the man? Many of you disagree with him about the great Obama, big deal!! May be he would prove to be wrong in his assessment of Obama, so what? Is he a prophet who is not supposed to be proven wrong? Is it really his fault that after we initially got impressed by him wrt Islam, we think that he must not fail?

"Ali Sina" is not his real name, but it is a symbol for fight against Islam. I don't see how his argument about aliens or Obama, even if wrong, discredit his arguments against Islam. I can see and understand where Locke is coming from. But I can't see where the old timers are coming from. Is it some sort of personal issue?

Well, its not like I ever claim Ali Sina is perfect. Even on ans-ffi, there were things on Islam I tried to distance myself from. But I still find many of his opinions on Islam to be on the spot. However, to err is human. For most people, they are right on some things, but then dead wrong on others.


Of course it is within Ali Sina's right to hold the opinions he holds, but right now, as a symnbol, he is becoming more of an embarassment than he is an asset. Im sorry, but calling for Obama to be electrocuted is not FFI material. As far as most people are concerned, his credibility is tied to this website, so we need to recognize that we have to correct Ali Sina's mistakes to revive our position. Otherwise, Muslims may go "look, FFI was wrong about Obama. Maybe they're wrong about Islam". Thats by no means logical, but certainly possible

[Ram]

Oh yeah? How so? Bushes sleep with Saudis and lick their feet. Bushes are the biggest dhimmis in the world, no body can beat them, perhaps some Indian politicians. Obama is nowhere near that. Obama is naive, he is ignorant. He has seen only the Islam of Kenya, which is much more benign than the real Islam. Obama has many Muslim relatives who are not the fanatical variety in the Islamic sense, therefore, he sees Islam with rose colour glasses.

Obama bows to the Saudis and caters to the terrorists.

You forgot to mention Obama lived in Indonesia for a few years.

Obama is just continuing the American tradition of bowing to Saudis for the sake of oil. He is no different from Bush in that sense, so why are you singling out Obama? Look at the history of American foreign policy. Bush sided with Pakistan against India. Obama is siding with China against India.

Obama lived in Indonesia - I don't understand your logic. I lived in Pakistan, does that make me pro Islam? I repeat - Obama is naive, he is not worse than other American politicians. American politicians have been destroying America for last hundred years in the name of democracy; Bush is a prime example.

[Marie]

Oh yeah? How so? Bushes sleep with Saudis and lick their feet. Bushes are the biggest dhimmis in the world, no body can beat them, perhaps some Indian politicians. Obama is nowhere near that. Obama is naive, he is ignorant. He has seen only the Islam of Kenya, which is much more benign than the real Islam. Obama has many Muslim relatives who are not the fanatical variety in the Islamic sense, therefore, he sees Islam with rose colour glasses.

Obama bows to the Saudis and caters to the terrorists.

You forgot to mention Obama lived in Indonesia for a few years.

Obama is just continuing the American tradition of bowing to Saudis for the sake of oil. He is no different from Bush in that sense, so why are you singling out Obama? Look at the history of American foreign policy. Bush sided with Pakistan against India. Obama is siding with China against India.

Obama lived in Indonesia - I don't understand your logic. I lived in Pakistan, does that make me pro Islam? I repeat - Obama is naive, he is not worse than other American politicians. American politicians have been destroying America for last hundred years in the name of democracy; Bush is a prime example.

Because I don't like Obama. I didn't like Bush either, but Bush is no longer in charge. Besides we are at war with Islam and the U.S. government still acts like a dhimmi.

I didn't say living in Indonesia made Obama pro-Islam. I was referring to your statement about Obama only knowing one side of Islam from his Kenyan and family. Lets not forget Obama probably knows another side of Islam from living in Indonesia.