Refuting Ali Sina's assertions on Obama

[Ram]

Because I don't like Obama. I didn't like Bush either, but Bush is no longer in charge. Besides we are at war with Islam and the U.S. government still acts like a dhimmi.

Bush may not be in charge but the damage he has caused along with his biggest crony Dick Chenney, the biggest boot licker of Saudis still lingers on, and will linger on for many more years. Obama will pay the heavy price for genius policies of Bush & Company.

I didn't say living in Indonesia made Obama pro-Islam. I was referring to your statement about Obama only knowing one side of Islam from his Kenyan and family. Lets not forget Obama probably knows another side of Islam from living in Indonesia.

For your information the Islam in Indonesia during the period when Obama lived in the country, was very benign; for example the hijab was totally unknown till 1990's, the people had never seen a burkha or niqab in their entire lives. Obama is totally ignorant about the real Islam. Bush is just as ignorant. It is only now that some American and Canadian journalists are writing about the real Islam in the newspaper' but majority are still apologists of Islam and utterly clueless.

[Marie]

Because I don't like Obama. I didn't like Bush either, but Bush is no longer in charge. Besides we are at war with Islam and the U.S. government still acts like a dhimmi.

Bush may not be in charge but the damage he has caused along with his biggest crony Dick Chenney, the biggest boot licker of Saudis still lingers on, and will linger on for many more years. Obama will pay the heavy price for genius policies of Bush & Company.

I didn't say living in Indonesia made Obama pro-Islam. I was referring to your statement about Obama only knowing one side of Islam from his Kenyan and family. Lets not forget Obama probably knows another side of Islam from living in Indonesia.

For your information the Islam in Indonesia during the period when Obama lived in the country, was very benign; for example the hijab was totally unknown till 1990's, the people had never seen a burkha or niqab in their entire lives. Obama is totally ignorant about the real Islam. Bush is just as ignorant. It is only now that some American and Canadian journalists are writing about the real Islam in the newspaper' but majority are still apologists of Islam and utterly clueless.

Lets not forget Obama will probably create some genius policies of his own that will probably damage the country even more.

[IoshkaFutz]

I've come here to Cairo to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world, one based on mutual interest and mutual respect, and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap and share common principles, principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

That's what he said (read)... and that's what he believes.

And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.

The president of the United States said that Islam has demonstrated through words and DEEDS the possibilities of religious tolerance.



One understands the need for diplomacy, mending fences and making fresh starts, but what ever happened to "realismo"?

[mrcommonsensenow]

Realismo in diplomacy?

Snap out of it Ioshka.

[IoshkaFutz]

Realismo in diplomacy?

Snap out of it Ioshka.

Well there was no need for Obama to say those things, was there? That speech was too false and stupid to fall under the heading of diplomacy. Something else was at work. No discernment, just feel-good leftist fluffiness. How can anyone in his right mind say: "Islam has demonstrated through words and DEEDS the possibilities of religious tolerance?"

The POSSIBILITIES no less! Why do you figure he said such words at the very edge of the bottomless pit of Islamism, Al Azhar as in Islamic Brotherhood fame?

I don't need to snap out of anything... The Multiculturalists governing America and Europe need to snap out of it.



"Islam has demonstrated through words and DEEDS the possibilities of religious tolerance?" - just words? (Chacarron Macaron)

[Ram]

Well there was no need for Obama to say those things, was there? That speech was too false and stupid to fall under the heading of diplomacy. Something else was at work. No discernment, just feel-good leftist fluffiness. How can anyone in his right mind say: "Islam has demonstrated through words and DEEDS the possibilities of religious tolerance?"

Obama has many Muslim relatives. I am sure many of them are very nice people in spite of belonging to the terror cult. Therefore, Obama sees Islam with rose coloured glasses. Also, I am hundred percent certain that Obama does not have any knowledge of the religion. Because he is accepted by his Muslim relatives he mistakenly thinks that Islam teaches tolerance. He has not experienced real Islam. Having said that, I agree that he should not have said what he said in his speech in Egypt. Unfortunately there are many non-Muslims who think like Obama. The former prime minister Tony Blair of the UK is a prime example. Kuldip Nayar, a prominent journalist in India who writes for many prominent English language newspapers in India and Pakistan is another bleeding heart dhimmi minded liberal, is a great example of Islamic apologist - to the extent that he makes me vomit.

The POSSIBILITIES no less! Why do you figure he said such words at the very edge of the bottomless pit of Islamism, Al Azhar as in Islamic Brotherhood fame?

Very good question, specially Al Azhar is very well known for promoting hatred against non-Muslims.

I don't need to snap out of anything... The Multiculturalists governing America and Europe need to snap out of it.

Well said. I agree 100%. As a matter of fact, the whole world is suffering from the malaise of appeasing Muslims and not wanting to hurt the sentiments of Muslims and not recognizing the fact that Islam is an extremely evil ideology which must be discredited. But I think that things might be changing. Canadian newspaper The National Post is starting to publish articles and comments which are moderately critical of Islam.

[IoshkaFutz]

Ciao Ram,

Thanks for answering. To test your hypothesis (Obama sees Islam with rose coloured glasses. Also, I am hundred percent certain that Obama does not have any knowledge of the religion. Because he is accepted by his Muslim relatives he mistakenly thinks that Islam teaches tolerance), I refer you to Obama's own words during the primaries (as reported by ABC's Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper).

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... llege.html

"Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain," Obama said, according to the Huffington Post.

"It's ironic because this is supposedly the place where experience is most needed to be Commander-in-Chief. Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags 'I've met leaders from eighty countries' -- I know what those trips are like! I've been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There's a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then -- you go."

"You do that in eighty countries," Obama said, "You don't know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa --knowing the leaders is not important -- what I know is the people...I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college -- I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee."

So he was in Kenya, where he actively campaigned and raised funds for Odinga, (mass murderer in cahoots with Islamists) but before that he had traveled to Pakistan, and so he knew what Sunni and Shia were all about.

I frankly think that something else is at play when he says "America and Islam share common principles, principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings."

and

"And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality."

It's not lack of knowledge and it's beyond what is wrongly labeled dhimmitude, but most likely contempt for democratic values. Or preference for another and "better" vision (also refer to Ayers friendship and long-time association with racist Preacher Rev. Wright of Chicago).

Pleading Obama's ignorance in areas where he himself boasted of expertise? Nice try, but no dice.

[mrcommonsensenow]

Realismo in diplomacy?

Snap out of it Ioshka.

Well there was no need for Obama to say those things, was there? That speech was too false and stupid to fall under the heading of diplomacy.

What would you have him say?

[IoshkaFutz]

Happy winter season Mrcommonsensenow,

I would have had Obama quote some of the high level (published) scholarship that allowed him to become the editor of the Harvard Law Review. Or else, I'd have had him teleprompt: إن كرونوس. أ. دي. إن. كرونوس انترناشينال. آكي كرايسس توداي which is Arabic for "This is the day that the Islamic hordes will begin to recede and the wounds on the beaten wives will start to heal."

Well, Actually I would not have given the speech at Al Azhar. At the best and most forgiving, that's a venue for inter-religious dialogue, not for politicians. In Islam, Politicians call all the shots anyway.

READ:
http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/29949.html

Muslims leaders must consider the effect their derogatory name calling has on foreign audiences.

For example Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, the leader of Sunni Islam used to tell his followers that the Koran considered Jews as "enemies of Allah [and] descendants of apes and pigs."

Now, he seems to have issued a new edict: declaring that it is now forbidden to describe "present-day Jews as 'monkeys and pigs'."

Albawaba.com claims that the decision was the result of a request by Egypt's Foreign Ministry, because "there was objection among Americans to the use of this description of the Jews." Yes, indeed.

A President IoshkaFutz (Allah forbid) would have gone to the Egyptian (puppet) Parliament and discussed the joys of increased trade and technology transfers. It is a well-kept secret that the best pizzas in Rome are made by Egyptians. And as this news item attests, America desperately needs better pizzas.



Wanting to be miserably - I mean disgustingly - multicultural, I would have gone site seeing... and have shown myself removing my shoes and revealing very gaudy socks before entering a mosque...



... all sorta mixed with camel rides outside the pyramids after a de rigeur visit to a Copt church. All of the above while constantly smiling and waving and acting kinda goofy (as only Americans know how to be)



If you read the Obama speech, you will see how he praises Islam for inventing cheese graters, pencil sharpeners and balaclavas. That is wrong for a politician. Imagine Putin coming to America and praising the Presbyterians for inventing bottle caps, epoxy glue and cowbells. Besides the fact that some scholars say that the Mahounds didn't invent that stuff in the first place, but stole it all from the Brilliant Greeks, it happened, if it happened at all, centuries ago... whereas modern day contributions from the Muslim world are of interest only to the three-letter acronym groups such as the FBI, CIA, TSA (roadside devices, anal and underwear bombs, recycled muffler rocket launchers).

I would have avoided all talk about human rights, justice, democracy, freedom... and just praised them for their still incredibly balmy weather. How do they do it? Amazing!

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with high level politicians talking ONLY about the weather these days as attested by the billions recently spent in Copenhagen.

But once the smiles were exchanged, I would have assumed a more serious expression and told them that America would be willing to invest 10 trillion dollars to help them face the big freeze that Allah will soon be sending to North Africa unless they reduce the CO2 levels of their flatulent livestock. And then as they were all scratching their chins and fiddling with worry beads, I'd have whipped out a special Middle Eastern version of Al Gore's INCONVENIENT TRUTH showing apocalyptic images of Frozen Pyramids.

[mrcommonsensenow]

I would have had Obama quote some of the high level (published) scholarship that allowed him to become the editor of the Harvard Law Review. Or else, I'd have had him teleprompt: إن كرونوس. أ. دي. إن. كرونوس انترناشينال. آكي كرايسس توداي which is Arabic for "This is the day that the Islamic hordes will begin to recede and the wounds on the beaten wives will start to heal."

I would have avoided all talk about human rights, justice, democracy, freedom... and just praised them for their still incredibly balmy weather. How do they do it? Amazing!

But once the smiles were exchanged, I would have assumed a more serious expression and told them that America would be willing to invest 10 trillion dollars to help them face the big freeze that Allah will soon be sending to North Africa unless they reduce the CO2 levels of their flatulent livestock. And then as they were all scratching their chins and fiddling with worry beads, I'd have whipped out a special Middle Eastern version of Al Gore's INCONVENIENT TRUTH showing apocalyptic images of Frozen Pyramids.

You’re a diplomacy genius Ioshka. How do you do it? Amazing!

[Ram]

Ciao Ram,

Thanks for answering. To test your hypothesis (Obama sees Islam with rose coloured glasses. Also, I am hundred percent certain that Obama does not have any knowledge of the religion. Because he is accepted by his Muslim relatives he mistakenly thinks that Islam teaches tolerance), I refer you to Obama's own words during the primaries (as reported by ABC's Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper).

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... llege.html

"Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain," Obama said, according to the Huffington Post.

"It's ironic because this is supposedly the place where experience is most needed to be Commander-in-Chief. Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags 'I've met leaders from eighty countries' -- I know what those trips are like! I've been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There's a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then -- you go."

"You do that in eighty countries," Obama said, "You don't know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa --knowing the leaders is not important -- what I know is the people...I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college -- I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee."

So he was in Kenya, where he actively campaigned and raised funds for Odinga, (mass murderer in cahoots with Islamists) but before that he had traveled to Pakistan, and so he knew what Sunni and Shia were all about.

I frankly think that something else is at play when he says "America and Islam share common principles, principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings."

and

"And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality."

It's not lack of knowledge and it's beyond what is wrongly labeled dhimmitude, but most likely contempt for democratic values. Or preference for another and "better" vision (also refer to Ayers friendship and long-time association with racist Preacher Rev. Wright of Chicago).

Pleading Obama's ignorance in areas where he himself boasted of expertise? Nice try, but no dice.

It is nothing but ultra right wing claptrap. There are thousands of Western politicians who speak like Obama. Why single out Obama? Even Bush praised Islam right after 9/11. He even went to a NY mosque to appease Muslims. Bushes are the biggest lackeys of Saudi Arabia. But right wingers will never criticize Bush. Isn't it amazing? The biggest tragedy is that almost every politician in the West and India is a dhimmi. Obama is no exception.

Americans have been selling their soul to the Arabs since the end of the 2nd World War because of the oil. Obama is just continuing the tradition. Right wingers just ignore what the right wing Americans have doing to the American economy, but for some reason they have suddenly discovered the patriotism after the election of Obama. Look at the former vice president Dick Chenney, the one of the biggest stooges of Arabs. Utter hypocrisy!

[Marie]

Ciao Ram,

Thanks for answering. To test your hypothesis (Obama sees Islam with rose coloured glasses. Also, I am hundred percent certain that Obama does not have any knowledge of the religion. Because he is accepted by his Muslim relatives he mistakenly thinks that Islam teaches tolerance), I refer you to Obama's own words during the primaries (as reported by ABC's Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper).

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... llege.html

"Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain," Obama said, according to the Huffington Post.

"It's ironic because this is supposedly the place where experience is most needed to be Commander-in-Chief. Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags 'I've met leaders from eighty countries' -- I know what those trips are like! I've been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There's a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then -- you go."

"You do that in eighty countries," Obama said, "You don't know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa --knowing the leaders is not important -- what I know is the people...I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college -- I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee."

So he was in Kenya, where he actively campaigned and raised funds for Odinga, (mass murderer in cahoots with Islamists) but before that he had traveled to Pakistan, and so he knew what Sunni and Shia were all about.

I frankly think that something else is at play when he says "America and Islam share common principles, principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings."

and

"And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality."

It's not lack of knowledge and it's beyond what is wrongly labeled dhimmitude, but most likely contempt for democratic values. Or preference for another and "better" vision (also refer to Ayers friendship and long-time association with racist Preacher Rev. Wright of Chicago).

Pleading Obama's ignorance in areas where he himself boasted of expertise? Nice try, but no dice.

It is nothing but ultra right wing claptrap. There are thousands of Western politicians who speak like Obama. Why single out Obama? Even Bush praised Islam right after 9/11. He even went to a NY mosque to appease Muslims. Bushes are the biggest lackeys of Saudi Arabia. But right wingers will never criticize Bush. Isn't it amazing? The biggest tragedy is that almost every politician in the West and India is a dhimmi. Obama is no exception.

Americans have been selling their soul to the Arabs since the end of the 2nd World War because of the oil. Obama is just continuing the tradition. Right wingers just ignore what the right wing Americans have doing to the American economy, but for some reason they have suddenly discovered the patriotism after the election of Obama. Look at the former vice president Dick Chenney, the one of the biggest stooges of Arabs. Utter hypocrisy!

Actually right-wingers have always been patriot and was rejuvenated when McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. I remember the DNC and the RNC conventions. The RNC convention was very vibrant, energetic and patriotic. As for the DNC while there people cheering Obama on there were also people crying and Michelle Obama's mother did not look to happy when she gave her speech about how her family struggled.

[Ram]

Actually right-wingers have always been patriot and was rejuvenated when McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. I remember the DNC and the RNC conventions. The RNC convention was very vibrant, energetic and patriotic. As for the DNC while there people cheering Obama on there were also people crying and Michelle Obama's mother did not look to happy when she gave her speech about how her family struggled.

Right wingers are patriots? One more claptrap. The present day right wingers are the most selfish and narrow minded bigots in the history of the US. They are the ones who ruined the economy of the US with the help of fat cat bankers who paid themselves millions of dollars as a reward in spite of the fact they bankrupted their companies. You call these people patriots? We do not need patriots of that sort. I am not saying that left wingers are angels. The left wingers have done their share of ruining America.

What you need is a balanced approach, which is neither left wing or right wing. The US (and the world) needs leaders who are idealists but not ideologues. The ideologues of the right as well of the left are responsible for creating the most of misery. You may be impressed by Sarah Palin but I am not. She is an ignorant politician who has absolutely no knowledge of the world history neither understanding of world politics. She is just a pretty face, nothing more.

[Marie]

Actually right-wingers have always been patriot and was rejuvenated when McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. I remember the DNC and the RNC conventions. The RNC convention was very vibrant, energetic and patriotic. As for the DNC while there people cheering Obama on there were also people crying and Michelle Obama's mother did not look to happy when she gave her speech about how her family struggled.

Right wingers are patriots? One more claptrap. The present day right wingers are the most selfish and narrow minded bigots in the history of the US. They are the ones who ruined the economy of the US with the help of fat cat bankers who paid themselves millions of dollars as a reward in spite of the fact they bankrupted their companies. You call these people patriots? We do not need patriots of that sort. I am not saying that left wingers are angels. The left wingers have done their share of ruining America.

What you need is a balanced approach, which is neither left wing or right wing. The US (and the world) needs leaders who are idealists but not ideologues. The ideologues of the right as well of the left are responsible for creating the most of misery. You may be impressed by Sarah Palin but I am not. She is an ignorant politician who has absolutely no knowledge of the world history neither understanding of world politics. She is just a pretty face, nothing more.

Where did I say I was impressed by Sarah Palin?

And speaking of bigotry at least I try to vote for someone based on their qualities, not on their race.

[IoshkaFutz]

Ciao Ram,

Your response is quite amazing. What is ultra-rightwing about what I've said? The fact that Obama was made the editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review based on the goodness of his smile? Produce his writings! And while you're at it, show me what he did to deserve a Nobel peace prize. How cool he would have been if he had refused it outright. "Come on guys!" He'd have earned my vote for life!

You tell Marie that the world needs leaders who are idealists (and not idealogues).

I can agree to an extent. But to become a leader in the first place one needs to have achieved something. Rudi Giuliani - so they say - made New York one of the safest big cities in the world. What did Obama do? Sarah Palin cleaned up Alaska politics. What did Obama do?

But never mind, Obama is president, the campaign is over and it's not the first time America elects someone on looks alone. This thread is about Ali Sina's supposed insanity regarding Obama.

Bob stated that Ali Sina doesn't know anything about American History and that he's basically a waste of time. That on account of his obsession, he has committed the sin of brand dilution. He said "I doubt whether AS has ever heard of Buchanan or Filmore."

And then - after Ali Sina's supposedly blind and ignorant Obama obsession, Obama traveled to Egypt and spoke directly to a religion (as opposed to the Egyptian people) and said:

I've come here to Cairo to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world, based upon the truth that America and Islam share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.... And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.

To me, Ali Sina was vindicated in spades.

Unlike Bush who after 9/11 merely repeated the old slogan "Islam is a religion of peace," Obama flew to Al-Azhar and uttered the above claptrap... Obama the Indonesian, Obama who had traveled to Pakistan! Pakistan as in the Land of the Pure, Pakistan as in Kaboomistan (refer to good old Yeezevee's last 1000 posts for the daily toll of bombs, madrassas, acid hurlings, honor killings, church burnings).

So what's the story with Obama? Apparently he knows history well enough to sing the praises of Islam's contribution to algebra; the magnetic compass and tools of navigation, pens and printing! But not well enough to know about .... ..... ..... .....?!

So we go from Bush's lame "religion of peace" to an amazing upgrade: Islam the religion of learning, justice, tolerance, racial equality, progress and the dignity of all human beings!

Brand dilution? You know what Ali Sina's real brand dilution is? That he doesn't post enough, that he has practically abandoned the FFI forum... and I've been around here long enough to see how the the place has suffered on account of it.

But fine, as you say: "Isn't it amazing? The biggest tragedy is that almost every politician in the West and India is a dhimmi. Obama is no exception."

Bingo. Ram I love you. THAT is the biggest tragedy... and as I've only recently come to believe, simply because I loathe conspiracy theories, the whole democratic process has become bread and circus for the masses. It's rightwing claptrap versus leftwing. They're in cahoots.

In Europe, where I'm based, this is easy. Our president is some mysterious Belgian guy... referendums get repeated until the "right" outcome is achieved, either that or they're ignored or simply denied. America is well down the same road. We are being goverened by elites: big business (too big to fail), banks, media.

So in this sense, Ali Sina's Obama obsession might be misplaced. Because (I say), Obama is not calling the shots, he's just the front man of monied interests. How can it be otherwise? Same goes for Bush.

The only disagreement I have with you is the term "dhimmi" describing those western politicians. Firstly because a dhimmi is someone who despite utter and unremitting defeat, clings to his religion (and culture) and resists, often paying the price in terms of social position. Secondly, because those politicians are in it for money and power. They have a plan. They're in cahoots.

I find no other explanation for an Obama being created and then having similar policies as Bush, expecially concerning the expanded role of government and the Fed.

[Ram]

Ciao Ram,

Your response is quite amazing. What is ultra-rightwing about what I've said? The fact that Obama was made the editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review based on the goodness of his smile? Produce his writings! And while you're at it, show me what he did to deserve a Nobel peace prize. How cool he would have been if he had refused it outright. "Come on guys!" He'd have earned my vote for life!

I am sure you very well know that charming personality is one important consideration for winning positions. I am not qualified to comment on Obama's editorial capabilities.

Of course Obama does not deserve the Noble Peace Prize. But who is deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize? Yasser Arafat, the most wily terrorist? Menachem Begin, an Israeli prime minister? Or, Jimmy Carter, one of the great apologists of Palestinian terrorism? On surface, Obama seems better qualified to receive the Prize than all the other names I just mentioned.

In my opinion, only two people deserved to win the Nobel Peace Prize - (1) The Dalai Lama - in spite of being demonized by the Chinese terror regime and shunned by many western politicians to appease the Chinese, he has been promoting the cause of peace tirelessly with great dignity for last 50 years. (2) Nelson Mandela - He was jailed for more than 25 years by the South African apartheid regime, he was not bitter and worked for the harmony between different races. It is due to him that South Africa is the only functioning (albeit deficient one) democracy in Africa, where whites, blacks and Indians live in relative harmony. This is far cry from racist dictators like Robert Mugabe. I suppose, racism comes in all colours.

You tell Marie that the world needs leaders who are idealists (and not idealogues).

I can agree to an extent. But to become a leader in the first place one needs to have achieved something. Rudi Giuliani - so they say - made New York one of the safest big cities in the world. What did Obama do? Sarah Palin cleaned up Alaska politics. What did Obama do?

Americans had only 2 choices: (1) Dithering, bitter and vindictive John McCain and pretty face clueless ignorant politician, Sarah Palin. (2) Relatively charming orator, Obama, who could project competence and inspire confidence and John Biden with many of experience in the Senate and Congress. Choices were limited.

Sarah Palin cleaned Alaska politics? Are you joking? She terrorized her former brother-in-law vindictively because he divorced her sister. She finally quit because she realized that she could not carry her responsibility. She talked of family values while her family was in a mess.

Face of Sarah Palins belongs on the covers of Vogue, Glamour or Cosmopolitan, not on the covers of Newsweek or Time.

But never mind, Obama is president, the campaign is over and it's not the first time America elects someone on looks alone. This thread is about Ali Sina's supposed insanity regarding Obama.

He is elected in a fair election. He may be defeated in 2012, but he can only be in office till 2016. John F. Kennedy was elected on looks alone. He had no experience either. This is what happens in democratic countries. For example, people in India want Rahul Gandhi to be prime minister because he is handsome!

[mrcommonsensenow]

Go ahead. Tell me I am a cultist. Tell me I am delusional. Tell me all the facts I cited are wrong. Tell me that my common sense has left me. The truth is, common sense has left you.

Come back to reality, Ali Sina.

I’ve read many of Ali’s comments over the years and I think it’s extremely likely he suffers from PPD (Paranoid Personality Disorder).

PPD is characterized by at least 3 of the following:
1.excessive sensitivity to setbacks and rebuffs;
2.tendency to bear grudges persistently, i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights;
3.suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
4.a combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation;
5.recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;
6.tendency to experience excessive self-importance, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude;
7.preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.


However, this alone does not explain Ali’s obsessive disdain of Obama.

One possible explanation could come from the many studies that have linked homophobia with homosexual arousal in an effort to confirm the belief that most homophobic men have repressed homosexual desires. The conclusions of these studies are strongly validated by the seemingly endless list of prominent homophobes that have been caught engaging in homosexual acts.

Ali’s homophobia is well known to veteran FFI members so it’s very possible that his feelings towards Obama are being intensified by an internal struggle to repress homosexual desires.

They say love/lust is a form of temporary insanity. Well, Ali thinks; Obama is very stupid man (Juris Doctor (J.D.), magna cum laude-Harvard Law School), a granny serial killer, a homosexual (wishful thinking perhaps?), assassination would be too good for him (miaow!), and that he should be pilloried instead (Marquis de Sade would be proud).

Ali’s record of bizarre statements about Obama is very long but I think I’ve made my point.

Because his credibility is so important to FFI, he should be kept in a padded cybercell and only allowed to speak about Islam.

Another prominent homophobe turns out to be gay.

George Alan Rekers, a prominent anti-gay activist who co-founded the conservative Family Research Council, was caught returning from a 10-day trip to Europe with a male escort he found on Rentboy.com, which is exactly what it sounds like.

[UPDATE: The escort now says Rekers is indeed gay, and that Rekers paid him to perform daily nude body rubs during their European jaunt. "It's a situation where he's going against homosexuality when he is a homosexual," the young man told the New Times, adding that Rekers -- who repeatedly asked for a move he dubbed "The Long Stroke" -- ought to divorce himself from his many anti-gay associations.

Rekers has a new explanation for the trip. "I deliberately spend time with sinners with the loving goal to try to help them," he said in a statement posted on Facebook.

The Miami New Times promises more details and a profile of the escort, whom they codenamed "Lucien" but whose identity has been revealed elsewhere.]

Because his credibility is so important to FFI, he should be kept in a padded cybercell and only allowed to speak about Islam.[/color][/quote]

Not to worry, Rekers told the Miami New Times, which broke the story: He claims he learned his 20-year-old companion was a prostitute only midway through their trip, they had no intimate contact, and he hired the young man only because recent surgery means "I can't lift luggage."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/0 ... 65142.html

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Another prominent homophobe turns out to be gay.

What a surprise, probably doesn't have anything to do with the fact that homophobia is linked to homosexual arousal. IMO all homophobes are either (closeted) bi- or homosexuals.