Jihad against Vijaya Nagar

[Nosuperstition]

It is said that Vijayanagar had an army as big as 1 million when it invaded the muslim principalities of Ahmednagar,Bijapur ,Bidar and Golconda under Krishna Deva Raya.They did indeed muster huge numbers for the big fights perhaps as they did not want to be shamed by/terrified by the thoughts of right of first night and such things after conquest and submission.

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The invasion of muslim principalities was not unprovoked.A prominent muslim under the payroll of the Vijayanagar kings in their court took a lot of money from the king for the sake of buying good horses,betrayed them and was granted asylum in the muslim prinicipalities.His name was half Muslim and half-Malayalee to the best of what I remember(just like present day Christians have a Christian firstname and a pagan surname).Possibly he was the offspring of Arab traders and shudra fisherwomen of Kerala.Might be that prompted him to act that way.

Krishna Deva Raya demanded that he along with the stolen money be returned back to Vijaya Nagar.The muslim principalities refused to comply.This led to an invasion.That is much more similiar to an asylum being granted to an enemy of Delhi Sultan by Hindu ruler of Kampili ,refusal of which prompted invasion of Kampili.Similiar to Bin Laden being granted safe haven by Taliban which resulted in the invasion of Afghanistan.The king is said to have given an arousing speech/inflammatory speech whichever way one sees it to his soldiers that caused them to completely rout the muslim armies.However muslim civilians were not molested in the defeated areas.

However under the reign of Rama Raya civilians were molested and mosques torched after the rout of Muslim armies.This enraged them and they unitedly inflicted a crushing defeat on the Vijayanagar forces.

Rama Raya who had previously allowed muslims to slaughter cows in their quarter of the city of Vijayanagar was asked to convert at the pain of death after his defeat at the disastrous battle of Tallikota.He is then said to have said 'Krishnam Vande Bhagavatham'.(I hail/I bow down to God Krishna).It was a statement refusing conversion.He was then said to have been beheaded.

Vijaya Nagar experienced glory for 200 years before this war and after this war Hindus of Vijayanagar continued to limp on for another 100 years.

[Nosuperstition]

It is said that to forcibly convert Hindus to Islam , hot oil was poured on those that refused to convert during the reign of slave dynasty of the Delhi Sultanate.Similarly crusaders are said to have poured hot molten lead on the head of the Swedish king to make him and his subjects convert to Christianity.

Might be instead of beheading if these pathetic tactics were used on Rama Raya he too would have converted.But then who knows,thousands of Hindu royal women are said to have committed Jauhar or mass suicide into flames after the deaths of their husbands in the battlefields even in Vijayanagar.Might be faith is so strong that even fire cannot always weaken it.

[Nosuperstition]

However, many rural Hindus worship their own village goddess or an earth goddess. She is believed to rule over fertility and disease -- and thus over life and death. The priesthood is less important in rural Hinduism: non-Brahmins and non-priests often carry out ritual and prayer there.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hinduism2.htm

For this very reason the festival Dussera or Dasara celebrating the worship of mother goddess when she vanquished evil is widely and grandiosely celebrated in rural areas as she is widely worshipped in rural areas.And for this very reason , Rama Raya chose to begin the war preparations against the combined muslim Sultanates on the Dussera day as that would boost the morale of his fighting soldiers.Yet the war spelt a disaster for the last surviving Hindu empire and meant its death knell

Also the war is called the Talli kota war or the war in the or near the fort of the mother goddess.Shows that even if you invoke your mother goddess you are sure to loose wars and she alone cannot/would not help you triumph over your enemies even if you do it in her name.

Now Chandra Babu Naidu and Modi want to lay the foundation of the new capital of divided Andhra Pradesh and name it Amaravati(city of the immortals/gods) on the upcoming Dussera.So do they still believe that the mother goddess will favour them if they do it on a day dedicated to her?You really believe that the city will be immortal just like the Sanatana dharma meaning the eternal religion even though Hindu philosophy itself says that nothing remains forever,everything is transitory.

[Nosuperstition]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yumllx9ynNQ

As can be seen in the above video , you can pray to the mother goddess for victory with all of your heart and all of your soul but then simple prayers cannot assure you of a victory as had been exemplified in the case of the destruction of the city of victory or Vijay Nagar.

[Nosuperstition]

If I were put in God's shoes I simply would not find fault with the lower class people of South India leaving in doves for Christian food as these educated Kammas want to spoil the granary of the South by turning it into a concrete jungle.So as a compassionate deity I would not want them to become the live foundation sacrifices for the sake of an educated few.

[Nosuperstition]

Now in the God T.V in Pat Robertson's news program,they showed right wing activists in India objecting to missionaries proselytising amongst prostitutes in Mumbai by helping them learn about alternate vocations like running beauty parlors etc.

Now I do not understand as to why people first impose prostitution on lower class women by making their men drink copious amouts of wine for the sake of exchequer and running the administrative machinery of the government and thus making them widows and then objecting to them resorting to prostitution and then when they try to get out of it by learning alternate vocations.(Much similar to VijayNagar of the yesteryears legalising prostitution as the proceeds thus realised would fund the police of the city so as to avert dacoity/robbery)

Leaving it aside,one needn't also find fault with the future descendants of the lower class of South India if they choose to leave Hinduism in droves for the sake of Christian food as all that their ancestors did was to spoil the fertile lands out of their pride for their caste by laying foundation stones for toxic concrete jungles in such locations.

I am sure the Mother goddess ,if ever she is present will take congnisance of all these facts and will forgive them.

[AlexmenCorn]

if they went to Israel and blew themself up then its fine.
Perhaps they use "Jihad" as an excuse to start a war against the serbs?

Got any info if any muslim albanian are into the same crap?

[Nosuperstition]

Christianity was a forced religion. During the Middle Ages nearly all the lands of European pagan had been forced converted into Christianity.

Also tell me which European country was conquered by any foreign "Christian army" and forced to become Christian in the middle ages.

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In the old forum,Basileos and diotima64 were a lot more honest though not totally honest.People were also a lot more honest when they did not object to muslims who asked the Christians of these fora as to why they should renounce the forced faith of Islam as it is not the religion of their ancestors when the Europeans themselves do not like to disown Christianity which was also a religion forced on them from the Middle East.

diotima64 said that most German landlords converted to Christianity and then converted their subjects out of necessity(warmer Christian Mediterranean regions were more productive and wealthier than their Northern counterparts) and not out of a firm conviction.Basileos gave a list of countries of Europe that were forcibly converted to Christianity and another list that were 'peacefully' converted.He also then gave a list of Eastern countries that were converted by force to Buddhism and another list that specifies peaceful conversion.What I observed was that Basileos used one standard for Christianity and another for Buddhism when he said that countries converted to Buddhism by Imperial edicts in Eastern countries were forced conversions while those in Europe that got converted by Imperial edicts were termed peaceful conversions.Double standards.

[Nosuperstition]

Forced conversion to a religion is considered repelling today, but it was pretty common till a few centuries ago.

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pilgrim of the old forum also justified the Goan inquisition on the same lines in the old forum,that it was an acceptable norm back then.What the muslims of the old forum did was exposing a double standard.

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Even in Germany,Christian missionaries took down paganism by striking at the very roots of pagan German beliefs.Pagan Germans much like present day Hindus were nature worshippers and there is said to have existed a tree that was held in great veneration by them.Having known that , just as our present day muslim bashers advocate nuking of Mecca to bring muslims back to their senses,the missionaries cut down that tree thereby causing a massive increase in the number of converts.Now that is , in no measure , an act different from levelling down of numerous Hindu temples by Muslim invaders in order to weaken the hold of religion in Hindu minds.That is in no way different to what the ISIS recently did to the Christian churches in Iraq.Now how is such a conversion to be considered,a forced one or a voluntary one?

However those who follow the universal laws of nature never seem to fail much.Perhaps that is the main reason why those who put up the site of attributetohinduism conceded that if there had been no Gandhi , all of India would have become Christian by now.

[Nosuperstition]

I distinctly remember diotima64 as saying that the pagan Romans had already ensured that the hold of religion on pagan Celtic minds was weakened by means of syncretism and ingraining common sense etc , so not much violence/efforts were needed to get them converted to Christianity.

Bede records that some 1,200 unarmed Celtic monks were killed by Ethelfrid's Catholic forces at the Battle of Chester in 616*.

http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com ... athens.htm

Then that begs the question as to why wars had to be fought against the Celts by the newly Christianised Romans and their followers in the form of Saxons and other Germanic tribes and why even unarmed Celtic monks had to be massacred.Now is that a voluntary conversion.

Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled" (Luke 14:23). Whole countries were won over in this way

There should be no compulsion in religion.

[Nosuperstition]

if they went to Israel and blew themself up then its fine.
Perhaps they use "Jihad" as an excuse to start a war against the serbs?

Got any info if any muslim albanian are into the same crap?

Hello Alex,"menCorn" in your nick reminds me of the Hollywood horror movie in which a phrase "children of corn" is used.Why is corn so special when depicting ghosts etc and more so associated with them?Is it because native Aztecs who ate corn sacrificed human beings?