Psycho Bunny wrote:I think that you made your points in the articles on the old forum. This is now becoming a bit like overkill. The old forum info has not been lost but please, once having made a point, there is no need to labour it.
Hi, Psycho Bunny! Did I?
My former thread intended to cover it all, as indicated in its opening post, but could as well been divided into separated (but related) threads, so to avoid interfering with the flow of comments. When the old forum has been frozen, with everything from the 12th December disappearing, then the second option became the -only- possibility. We now can find 'continued thread' all over this forum.
Then again, what I mean by Ali's Muslimness still is misunderstood, if we read some previous posts. It's showing by his no grey zone, everything being depicted in black or white, conformed (ummah-like) or plainly satanic, while throwing all bridges away, in his absolute certainty to state the only possible truth. His arrogance in entrenched certitudes displayed in blasting assertions, even when relying on muddy or shaky grounds; his obvious unfamiliarity with self-criticizing and overall disdain for whatsoever is liberal and democratic.
Now in this new forum Ali came out, not only endorsing whatever he wrote upon Obama, but reinforcing his views on morality, especially on the topic of homosexuality not being genetic but acquired, see:
Thinking Obama is a good man is more stupid than believing in Islam. (...) How stupid that can be? Facts are out there but you don't want to know them. Yes liberalism is sickness of the mind. You stupid people will blow up the world and wil bring misery upon countless people. (...)
4- now I believe it is (homosexuality) a learned behaviour and a disorder, like overeating, obssessive compulsive disorder, etc. Anyone can get into it at any age and anyone can get out of it.
6- I was an ardent defender of democracy and now I think it is dangerous to allow foolish people decide their future.
1. Thinking Obama is a good man is more stupid than believing in Islam.
2. Liberalism is sickness of the mind.
3. Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a disorder one can get rid of.
4. It is dangerous to allow foolish people decide their -own- future since Democracy is flawed.
Although his positions on both morality and politics were utterly disproved in the old forum. On the first topic, See: The war for "family values" is contrary to our cause (by Wiking)
from which I've quoted quite extensively in the first part (in the Internet limbo for a while).
He has been shown therein to rely upon the unscientific testimony of Yvette C. Schneider, who had no degree whatsoever in sociology or psychiatry to formulate such a statement. She was just a 'guilt-tripper' and a former lesbian promoting her own agenda. So Agaricus wrote:
she is reviewing some of the scientific papers available to prove a scientifically fallacious agenda. You are not being scientific and neither is she. The fact that science, which requires empirical data to prove something one way or another, has not proved homosexuality is genetic, but also has similarly not proved that homosexuality is not genetic, is not a SCIENTIFIC justification to say that homosexuality is a learned behaviour.
Your reasoning in your article would pass muster in a debating society, but your causative relationship between what Schneider maintains (itself non-scientifically) and then your definitive statement that homosexuality IS a product of a learned behaviour is not science. (...)
Yvette Schneider and yourself are cherry-picking from scientific data, and inferring your own opinions onto the matter. It may work for you, but Schneider is not a credible scientist - she is an evangelist trying to use homosexuality to further her own ends. Science is science. It cannot be disputed when it is true science. But it sure as hell can be misquoted or distorted by the scientifically ignorant, to hoodwink others.
So we've seen in the opening post of this thread how Ali relied on the shaky ground of Sam Vaknin, a self-called 'doctor' to assert his then unquestionable -belief- that Barack Obama suffers from pathological narcisssism, thus his supporters were all to be branded as 'cultists' and 'worshipers', much like Jimmy Jones' followers. We'll soon see that his mental picture of the left is so based on opportunist prejudices, from some risible intellectual gymnastic out of mere impressions elevated to unchallengeable dogmas.
But there's even more to it now since Ali rejects Democracy itself:
'Liberalism is a mental disease" is a hyperbole to make a point, much like saying, Muslims are not humans. These are not technical statements but expressions of a state of mind that in one case foolish and in other case insane and inhumane.
As for finding facts I am just as meticulous about anything, Islam or not! I studied and investigated the facts to come to my conclusions about homosexuality, UFOs or other beliefs. I will change them the moment I find evidence disproves what I believe to be true. Those who oppose me on any subjet often don’t know the facts and speak from the position of ignorance of the subject that they are defending. (...)
You laughed at a good woman like Palin Just because she was religious and believed in God. The Media slandered her. This is fascism and the idiot masses of liberals allowed all that to happen and like fools participated in the fraud that was being played on them and rejoiced being bamboozled. If this is not stupidity what is? Siding with an evil man just because he is atheist and mocking a good woman just because she believes in God. Is there any stupidity bigger than this?
All Obama’s allies and friends are the worst scum in the world and his foolish worshipers are so gullible that they think he is the Messiah. How pathetic! Stupid people cannot decide what is good for them. That is why Democracy is flawed. All my life I was a staunch advocate for democracy and thought Plato and Aristotle were wrong on this point. Now I see I was wrong and those wise man knew what I did not know. They knew that masses are stupid and stupid people can be dangerous even to themselves. They were proven right time and gain during every revolution.
1. ''Liberalism is a mental disease'' such is 'just' a hyperbole to underline how people can be foolish.
2. He did investigate -the facts- to come to his conclusion that homosexuality is acquired rather than genetic.
3. Those who object speak from a position of ignorance since he has been 'meticulous'.
4. Palin was laughed at because... she believed in God, and that's... fascistic.
5. People are siding with Obama because... he's an atheist.
6. Obama's allies are the worst scum in the world and foolish worshipers.
7. Thus Democracy is flawed since people do not know what's good for them.
All his statements above underlines Ali's Muslimness, how the Islamic frame of thinking never left him...
Nowadays to reject Democracy, like Ali does, is only equaled in Islam, Fascism, and far-left Commies! In the West we know that Plato's and Aristotle's societies were based upon slavery, that their notions of a Republic was rather Utopian since they didn't have the slightest idea of our modern State affairs, overall liberalism, of social democracy nor of Keynesian economics (among so many others).
We'll explore furthermore Ali's -beliefs- through the promised second half of this part based on his long article: The Decline And Fall Of The West.
Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.