Is Islam Dysgenic?

[Ereshkigal]

My question, is the problem of Islam more than simply cultural, but is also genetic due to mating and and social practices that have reduced the innate intelligence and mental stability of the populations that have been under Islamic rule for a long time.

Consider the sort of leaders that have ruled the Muslim world, like Arafat, Nasser, Sadat, Khaddafi, Saddam and most others. Look at what they say and do, and what you see is severly impaired judgement, poor ability to separate fact and fantasy, illogical reasoning, delusional thinking and cargo cult mentality. Yet these mentally deficient rulers stay in power for decades in spite of their utter incompetence and venality. Every signs I've seen show that the populations they rule are even worse than they are, being childish, ignorant, impulsive, superstitious and violence prone.

Exanple of incompetence: Military incompetence, how did the Egyptian generals earn their medals? Firing a few shots in the direction of the Israelis before running away?

In Europe the education system that produces a literate well educated population coughs up illiterate and innumerate ignorants when you feed Muslims into it.

The rates of birth defects across the Muslim World is 10 to 50 times as high as that of native Europeans.

... to be continued

[Ozes]

1. The source of morality in the Ummah= fanatic followers of Islam.
As most of us can see here, debating a fanatical Muslim is a useless affair. They will go on and on, and nitpick on symantics. Its a useless affair. Unlike in Europe, there is no cultural of "the chess of arguments" while playing too the same rules. Hence none can grow intellectually. In the West fanatical people, tend to be disrespected. Islam lifts them to a place of status.

2. Islam uses violence and threats to subdue intellectuals.

3. Islam rewards the most basic urges of man. Man with the strongest basic urges are the most violent, and physically strong. Islam suits them quite well.
These man will intimidate and coerce any Muslim with intelligence or good moral to not grow against the grain.

4. Islam rewards intelligent men to become well versed in taqiyya, subversion and population control.


Its not that much different from the West where the most intelligent are rewarded to battle "Islamophobia". Countless universities in the world, and 99% of them will claim Islam is a peaceful religion. Its the same intellectual retardation but its simply to a lesser degree then in Islam.

I do believe genetics play some part, but its mostly the culture who decides what type of men gain status and respect, and what type of men are not able to follow their desires and needs (intellectual needs).

[pr126]

Here is an article:

Why Arabs Lose Wars

[Darius]

I agree with many of the points made, but I do think that centuries upon centuries of interfamilial marriages and large-scale inbreeding are bound to have some effect, and have something to do with the myriad of pathologies muslims display.

It's probably a combination of many factors, but I don't think the genetic factor can be discredited.

[ygalg]

Here is an article:

Why Arabs Lose Wars

interesting read. I wonder if its relevant to organization such as al Qaeda as well? muslims were victorious in past history. the modern warfare muslims unable to adjust themselves to. I hope this stays that way.

[frankie]

My question, is the problem of Islam more than simply cultural, but is also genetic due to mating and and social practices that have reduced the innate intelligence and mental stability of the populations that have been under Islamic rule for a long time.

Consider the sort of leaders that have ruled the Muslim world, like Arafat, Nasser, Sadat, Khaddafi, Saddam and most others. Look at what they say and do, and what you see is severly impaired judgement, poor ability to separate fact and fantasy, illogical reasoning, delusional thinking and cargo cult mentality. Yet these mentally deficient rulers stay in power for decades in spite of their utter incompetence and venality. Every signs I've seen show that the populations they rule are even worse than they are, being childish, ignorant, impulsive, superstitious and violence prone.

Exanple of incompetence: Military incompetence, how did the Egyptian generals earn their medals? Firing a few shots in the direction of the Israelis before running away?

In Europe the education system that produces a literate well educated population coughs up illiterate and innumerate ignorants when you feed Muslims into it.

The rates of birth defects across the Muslim World is 10 to 50 times as high as that of native Europeans.

... to be continued

Ereshkigal:

Muslims follow teachings that mirror 7th century Arabian culture.This culture was as barbaric and merciless as the desert climate,it was a question of survival of the fittest,kill or be killed based on tribal warfare,similar to other cultures of past history e.g.Native American ,Anglo Saxon.BUT there is a marked difference here,Islam has a "religious" component to it,that tells its followers to conquer lands and kill people in the name of its god.Islam then,is a retrograde cult,that keeps its followers in straitjackets of fear,hateing anyone and anything outside the cult( Unislamic).

So,it does not matter how much in-breeding is done,it is the mind-set of the Muslim,who is indoctrinated from birth which drives him,and keeps him within this 7th century mentallity for all of his life.

[Ereshkigal]

by ygalg » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:55 pm

pr126 wrote:
Here is an article:

Why Arabs Lose Wars
interesting read. I wonder if its relevant to organization such as al Qaeda as well? muslims were victorious in past history. the modern warfare muslims unable to adjust themselves to. I hope this stays that way.

Read about the Ottoman Janissaries, the core of the Ottoman army and administration where recruted thru the devshirme, a tax of young boys taken from the subject christians, who were then raised as Muslims with the brightest rising to be state ministers and the rest staffing the bureaucracy and the army.

All the historical Muslims states worked this way.

When they started recruiting native born Muslims instead the Ottomans became the Sick Man of Europe.

It isn't the Muslims who won these victories...

[Sten]

In the West fanatical people, tend to be disrespected. Islam lifts them to a place of status.

QFT

[Auzer]

My question, is the problem of Islam more than simply cultural, but is also genetic due to mating and and social practices that have reduced the innate intelligence and mental stability of the populations that have been under Islamic rule for a long time.

Consider the sort of leaders that have ruled the Muslim world, like Arafat, Nasser, Sadat, Khaddafi, Saddam and most others. Look at what they say and do, and what you see is severly impaired judgement, poor ability to separate fact and fantasy, illogical reasoning, delusional thinking and cargo cult mentality. Yet these mentally deficient rulers stay in power for decades in spite of their utter incompetence and venality. Every signs I've seen show that the populations they rule are even worse than they are, being childish, ignorant, impulsive, superstitious and violence prone.

Exanple of incompetence: Military incompetence, how did the Egyptian generals earn their medals? Firing a few shots in the direction of the Israelis before running away?

In Europe the education system that produces a literate well educated population coughs up illiterate and innumerate ignorants when you feed Muslims into it.

The rates of birth defects across the Muslim World is 10 to 50 times as high as that of native Europeans.

... to be continued

Uhhh what? First thing you need to understand is that 85% of global Islam in non-Arabic ... So I don't know how come you are saying that Muslims lack intelligence? Muslims , in respect to neutral conditions , actually OUT-PERFORM Christians..Let me break it down... In Africa ..North (Muslim) is WAY more healthy , educated , and enlightened than South Africa (as a whole..not just country) .. Secondly , in "East Asia" , Muslim countries like Indonesia , Malaysia , perform BETTER than say Christian Philippines... So you are wrong in your assessment...gravely wrong... Western Civilization is on the top..but this doesn't make others as "un-intelligent" ... Islamic Civilization enjoys the best success rate in human history ( out of 1400 years , Muslims remained dominant military/economic force for over 1100 years--- And this success came pretty quickly and was sustained for centuries..It is only after 18th century that Islamic Civilization went down..and its natural) ...

Regarding dictators..Well Arab societies are tribal in nature...Arabs historically are very cruel people...Their "intelligent" people can't come up due to tribalism and they also CAN NOT raise their voice against tribal leaders (dictators) of Arab society...Would you want to lose your life and children ? Yeah , neither do intelligent Arabs.... You couldn't say jack about Saddam Hussein..or else..you'll be dead...

And European education produces good students irrespective of religion... Actually , to be honest , Persians , Afghans , and Pakistanis are VERY smart people---their highschoolers are definitely smarter than ours lol...The main problem is that their countries don't have any governance..... Without governance...intelligence is of no use... Ever wondered why West rose to the top when it achieved political stability and better governance? Where were smart minds of the West during the times of constant wars and political instability? Not that there were none , but good governance is key to society's utilization of its collective indigenous intelligence...

Military incompetence of Arabs reside in their tribal way of thinking....everyone knows that....


Besides , Pakistanis were also "Muslims" and they forced a 10 times bigger enemy (India) to sign a stalemate in an all out military conflict....

Today's Arab Forces will decimate Israel in a multiple-front war...but they can't since Israel is nuclear-armed now... In 1948 , Arabs didn't even have BASIC geometry skills and hence they fired artillery on their OWN advancing troops...Don't think that Arabs are STILL that backward militarily....though they are still incompetant... Egyptians are better than Saudis though...

Lastly , Egyptians just pulverized Israelis in the initial hours of 1973--Though 67 was an utter shame ...73' didn't prove to be a piece of cake for Israel...That war had almost destroyed Israel... Egyptian shown the world that they CAN fight Israelis...and in some cases...they CAN just KNOCK the f*ck out of Israelis .... Read up on 1973 war and Egyptian crossing of Bar-lev Lines....A feat , Israelis thought, was IMPOSSIBLE even for many "modern militaries" , let alone Arabs/Egyptians....

So in conclusion : I think your OP does not reflect facts to their fullest... 1.8 billion people can't be all dumb and incapable...

[Auzer]

Read about the Ottoman Janissaries, the core of the Ottoman army and administration where recruted thru the devshirme, a tax of young boys taken from the subject christians, who were then raised as Muslims with the brightest rising to be state ministers and the rest staffing the bureaucracy and the army.

All the historical Muslims states worked this way.

When they started recruiting native born Muslims instead the Ottomans became the Sick Man of Europe.

It isn't the Muslims who won these victories...

hahaha!!! So Arab Armies that swept Persian and Roman Empires were not "native Muslims" ? Salahdin and his mighty military machine was not native Muslim? Indian Mughals , Moors , Tariq Bin Zyad , Akbar , Babur , Ahmad Shah Afghani , Timur , Mehmet II etc etc were not Muslims? or their Armies were not "native" Muslims? Plus : I think you are pretty weak on this subject..Janissaries were NOT "Mamluks" ...

The Christian boys you are talking about were Mamluks...Muslim militaries took them in their childhood and from VERY childhood , they'd train these boys in military tactics and thats it! That was their life..So it wasn't that they were 'Christian blood' hence very ferocious...If I had got a military environment and military training right from my childhood , I bet ya , I would've been one heck of a soldier today!!!!

So sorry but the reality is : It WERE Muslims who won ALL those victories after victories from 7th century to 18th century etc ... Naturally , Muslims lost many too ..

Just a "food for thought" ... Today , Muslim-majority Turkey (Ottoman) is the ONLY healthy man of Europe while almost whole Eurozone is sick ..what you make of that?

Are you a Christian , Ereshkigal?