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Re: Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:47 pm
by paarsurrey
ThereIs1Adonai wrote:But Mary was only a virgin until after the birth of Jesus! We know that because he had brothers, one of whom became the head of the church in Jerusalem....James... who was later martyred for his faith.

But I forgot.... that was written by eyewitnesses in the Bible way before the Quran of Muhammed knew better than those eyewitnesses, and better than Roman records of that martyrdom. History rewritten hundreds of years later has to be better than eyewitness accounts. Everyone know that!



Hi friend/s

The NT has not been written by Jesus or the eye-witnesses; it is written mostly by the hearsay. Quran is eye-witnessed by the Creator-God Allah YHWH, who sees and witnesses everything of the past, present and the future. It is as secure and fresh as it was 1400 years ago.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman

PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:19 am
by Trojan
paarsurrey wrote:
ThereIs1Adonai wrote:But Mary was only a virgin until after the birth of Jesus! We know that because he had brothers, one of whom became the head of the church in Jerusalem....James... who was later martyred for his faith.

But I forgot.... that was written by eyewitnesses in the Bible way before the Quran of Muhammed knew better than those eyewitnesses, and better than Roman records of that martyrdom. History rewritten hundreds of years later has to be better than eyewitness accounts. Everyone know that!



Hi friend/s

The NT has not been written by Jesus or the eye-witnesses; it is written mostly by the hearsay. ....

Thanks

Dear paarsurrey,
Oh really? ? ? then why do you chose to use his words from the same corrupted NT here in your other post?
You Muslims are full of double standards, when it suits your convenience it is ok to quote from the NT, otherwise call it corrupted, or hearsay...
Here to draw you out of your state of self induced stupidity.
Hi friend/s
I am doing the same thing as you have said; separating wheat from the chaff. Paul was never a disciple of Jesus. Jesus never mentioned his name to his disciples; he never trained him. When Jesus escaped from the cursed death on the Cross and was heading towards the lost sheep of the Israel residing in India and neighboring countries; this enemy of Jesus became a wolf in the sheep's clothing, as Jesus had warned. Church followed Paul's line and made the things just opposite of what Jesus believed in.


Where did you read about this "warning" of Jesus ? ? ? In the Koran ? ? ? If so please provide the verse here, or else Go hang your head in shame.

Paul- a wolf in sheep’s clothing, about whom Jesus had warne

PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:05 pm
by paarsurrey
Trojan wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:Hi friend/s
I am doing the same thing as you have said; separating wheat from the chaff. Paul was never a disciple of Jesus. Jesus never mentioned his name to his disciples; he never trained him. When Jesus escaped from the cursed death on the Cross and was heading towards the lost sheep of the Israel residing in India and neighboring countries; this enemy of Jesus became a wolf in the sheep's clothing, as Jesus had warned. Church followed Paul's line and made the things just opposite of what Jesus believed in.


Where did you read about this "warning" of Jesus ?


Hi friend/s

It is here in your own Bible where Jesus warned of Paul a false Prophet- a wolf in sheep's clothing:

Matthew 7:15
11 If you then being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more will your Father who is in heaven, give good things to them that ask him? 12 All things therefore whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you also to them. For this is the law and the prophets. 13 Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. 14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! 15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk= ... l=15&f=s#x

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Paul- a wolf in sheep’s clothing, about whom Jesus had warne

PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:40 am
by Trojan
paarsurrey wrote:
It is here in your own Bible where Jesus warned of Paul a false Prophet- a wolf in sheep's clothing:

paar,
Why do you insist on being so willfully stupid?
I asked you why, on one hand you insist that the NT is hearsay and on the other hand quote Jesus from this same source when it suits your convenience?
I don't need your perverted opinion on who you think "the wolf in sheep clothing" is because we already know the ravening character of Mohammed from your own Islamic sources.
Paul never distorted Jesus' message like Mohammed did in his hate literature called the koran.

You should compare Paul's epistles and letters with your koran some day and you will realize how much hate you find in allah a.k.a mohammed's message.

Re: Paul- a wolf in sheep’s clothing, about whom Jesus had warne

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:48 pm
by paarsurrey
Trojan wrote:Paul never distorted Jesus' message


Hi friends

Paul in fact changed the teachings of Jesus altogether. It is for this that Jesus had warned of this wolf in the sheep's clothing.

Jesus prophesied that he would show the sign of Jonah to the Jews. What was sign of Jonah? Jonah was alive when he went in the belly of the fish; he was alive in the belly of the fish and he prayed to the Creator-God Allah YHWH in the belly of the fish to save his life and this prayer was accepted by Him and Jonah came out alive from the belly of the fish. He later wen to his people and they accepted him as a true Messenger Prophet of God Allah YHWH.

Paul destroyed the sign of Jonah and taught that Jesus had died on the Cross; in fact it was against the teachings of Jesus, he had survived a cursed death on the Cross.

So Paul distorted the whole teachings of Jesus from the very start and replaced Jesus' religion with his own religion. Paul built his religion on Jesus' death on the Cross, rather than Jesus not dieing on the Cross, a complete reverse of what Jesus had taught.

So, I request the Catholics and Protestants to beware of the cunning Paul- the wolf in sheep' clothing and be a truthful follower of Jesus.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman

PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:40 pm
by Nosubmission
paarsurrey wrote:
Hi friends

Jesus prophesied that he would show the sign of Jonah to the Jews. What was sign of Jonah? Jonah was alive when he went in the belly of the fish; he was alive in the belly of the fish and he prayed to the Creator-God Allah YHWH in the belly of the fish to save his life and this prayer was accepted by Him and Jonah came out alive from the belly of the fish. He later wen to his people and they accepted him as a true Messenger Prophet of God Allah YHWH.


A perfect faulty parallelism and idiocy fitting your leader Ghulam Ahmad. What was the sign of Jonah? Jonah was alive when he went into the belly of the fish, but the fish was alive too. This means you have to believe that Jesus' body was thrown into a living organism that moved? LOL Do you really believe that Jesus was buried beneath water as Jonah had been taken to the depth of the ocean? Your extended and false analogy necessitates your belief in all these absurdities.

Actually, the dim-witted founder of your cult never understood that Jonah's going to the belly of the fish was equal to his death as the following prayer makes it obvious:

2:1 Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the stomach of the fish 2:2 and said,

“I called out to the Lord from my distress,

and he answered me;

from the belly of Sheol I cried out for help, (sheol means the land of the dead!)

and you heard my prayer.

2:3 You threw me into the deep waters,

into the middle of the sea;

the ocean current engulfed me;

all the mighty waves you sent swept over me.

2:4 I thought I had been banished from your sight,

that I would never again see your holy temple!

2:5 Water engulfed me up to my neck;

the deep ocean surrounded me;

seaweed was wrapped around my head.

2:6 I went down to the very bottoms of the mountains;

the gates of the netherworld barred me in forever;

but you brought me up from the Pit, O Lord, my God.

More, Jesus said that the parallelism between Himself and Jonah was confined to the time of stay in a place: 3 days.

paarsurrey wrote:Paul destroyed the sign of Jonah and taught that Jesus had died on the Cross; in fact it was against the teachings of Jesus, he had survived a cursed death on the Cross.

So Paul distorted the whole teachings of Jesus from the very start and replaced Jesus' religion with his own religion. Paul built his religion on Jesus' death on the Cross, rather than Jesus not dieing on the Cross, a complete reverse of what Jesus had taught.

So, I request the Catholics and Protestants to beware of the cunning Paul- the wolf in sheep' clothing and be a truthful follower of Jesus.


Mirza Ghulam Ahmad distorted both the Qur'an and the Gospels when he claimed to be the Messiah and taught that Jesus had fallen into a swoon on the cross. I hope my Christian friends and even Muslim believers will beware of the cunning Ghulam Ahmad-the wolf in sheep's clothing.

paarsurrey wrote:I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks


I do not care the least. You are free to love the Islamic Issa, the pathetic and defeated messenger of the moon god. You are also free to love Mariam, Issa's mother and Aaron's sister, the paranoid virgin who reminds the angel in Surah 19 that she is not a prostitute even before anyone comes up with that accusation! :D

http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/ ... rypha.html (Enjoy reading this! Soon I shall have a sequence)

Re: Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman

PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:04 pm
by manfred
Anyway,

paarsurrey, you have not told us yet what agency Mary was modelling for, was it an Indian one? Have you got any photographs or magazines?

Underhand deal between Pilate and the friends of Jesus

PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:35 pm
by paarsurrey
Nosubmission wrote:Jonah's going to the belly of the fish was equal to his death


Hi friend

You mean Jonah was near-death in the Belly of the fish; yes agreed. If Jesus was to show this sign then he must not die on the Cross, though he might be near-dead on the Cross to the maximum.

Jesus was near-dead on the cross,sure, nevertheless he was still alive; it is for this pretext that his bones were not broken. If Jesus could become alive from the literal dead; what difference had it made to him if his bones would have been also broken or he would have remained in the open and never taken to a tomb.

This suggests that there was an underhand deal between Pilate and the friends of Jesus. Jesus bones were not broken lest he really dies and he was hurriedly taken to an airy and spacious tomb, which could accommodate Jesus and those who wanted to treat the injured Jesus. This is what happened and when Jesus' wounds got cured, he immigrated to India.

The Catholics Protestants should accept this truth and come out of the deception of cunning Paul as warned by Jesus.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Counting of Jesus- 3 days in the tomb- Catholics Protestants

PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:08 pm
by paarsurrey
Nosubmission wrote:More, Jesus said that the parallelism between Himself and Jonah was confined to the time of stay in a place: 3 days.


Hi friends

Since your stand is wrong so you won't stay even on 3 days, for sure.

Now please enumerate period of 3 days , as you have mentioned. I am sure no Catholic or Protestant would ever be able to count these three days also.

Cunning Paul and Church frustrated Jesus' showing the Sign of Jonah; Paul had to. Paul was an enemy of Jesus; when he observed that Jesus had gone out of reach of Jews plan of killing Jesus; Paul started character assassination of Jesus; and his first casualty was Jesus ever showing Sign of Jonah; as to how the Creator- God Allah YHWH saved Jesus cursed death on Cross. Paul took it on himself to prove to the simple minded "Christians", whom Jesus named sheep that Jesus had died on the Cross for their salvation. Paul himself could not attain salvation; what salvation could he prepare for the Catholics Protestants?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Underhand deal between Pilate and the friends of Jesus

PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:42 pm
by Muhammad bin Lyin
paarsurrey wrote:
Nosubmission wrote:Jonah's going to the belly of the fish was equal to his death


Hi friend

You mean Jonah was near-death in the Belly of the fish; yes agreed. If Jesus was to show this sign then he must not die on the Cross, though he might be near-dead on the Cross to the maximum.

Jesus was near-dead on the cross,sure, nevertheless he was still alive; it is for this pretext that his bones were not broken. If Jesus could become alive from the literal dead; what difference had it made to him if his bones would have been also broken or he would have remained in the open and never taken to a tomb.

This suggests that there was an underhand deal between Pilate and the friends of Jesus. Jesus bones were not broken lest he really dies and he was hurriedly taken to an airy and spacious tomb, which could accommodate Jesus and those who wanted to treat the injured Jesus. This is what happened and when Jesus' wounds got cured, he immigrated to India.

The Catholics Protestants should accept this truth and come out of the deception of cunning Paul as warned by Jesus.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks


Who invented this story? Boy, you are completely out of your mind, aren't you. How come Jesus converted nobody in India? Did you ever ask yourself that?

Re: Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:57 am
by manfred
MBL,

I think paarsurrey mentioned this before...I vaguely recall he agreed that Jesus opened take-way curry shop there. as I suggested that he did not argue with me... or was is yogourt drinks...? Anyway, something like that.

Also, I wanted to know how Mary can be a model if she does not have an agent, or did she have one, and what kind of modelling she did, and how much she earned, but he simply does not want to tell us. Afterall, he made it quite clear that Mary was a model for CLOTHING... so is that too much to ask??? Also,did Mary have an eating disorder???

Anyway, according to PS, Allah, the best of deceivers, conned the entire Christendom for millenia into thinking Jesus died and rose again, while all the while he and his mother went to India (on a flying horse or carpet, probably, a camel ride would have resulted in blisters upon the blisters on the bottom) and then retired there, started a business, went on a tour, or something like that. Oh, wait, he went on tour later to the US to start the Mormons...after that, what did he do??? Australia???

Oh, and don't forget, to complete the con-trick, Allah was quite happy to have a substitute a different man to die on the cross. So the whole idea of a just and loving God is therefore nonsense, according to PS.

And yes, absolutely, MBL, PS is quite mad, but fairly harmless, I think, and kind of cute and cuddly in the way he presents more and more crazy ideas all over the place. Mad, yes, completely, but I quite like him. He always brings a smile to my face. I think he is our resident comedian.

And he has some problems convincing himself of a few things, that's why he always ends his posts with the same statement. He acts like his own teacher and he gives himself lines to write out; if he writes it often enough, he might start believing it.

Catholics Protestandt please enumerate period of 3 days

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:14 pm
by paarsurrey
Now please enumerate period of 3 days , as you have mentioned. I am sure no Catholic or Protestant would ever be able to count these three days also.


Hi friends

No Catholic or Protestant enumerates the period of 3 days; none a witness to it. This was not the essence of Sign of Jonah; the essence was not to die. Jonah did not die in the belly of the fish; so must Jesus not die in the incident of putting him on the Cross. It is easy; the Catholics and Protestant should understand and come out of the hotch potch of Paul and the Church. Why make your religion/faith an absurdity before Atheists Agnostics for nothing?

Jesus was a wise Prophet of the Creator-God Allah YHWH; he and his mother never believed in such absurdities.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:40 pm
by yeezevee
paarsurrey
Jesus was a wise Prophet of the Creator-God Allah YHWH; he and his mother never believed in such absurdities.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.
That may be true dear paarsurrey ., no disagreement there., But Muhammad Prophet of Islam was NOT good man.. a bad man.. a bad model., Promised Messiah was Not good man.. a con man.. a bad man. So keep Christ as your model to follow Not Muhammad nor that Promised Messiah ..

with best
yeezevee

Re: Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:18 am
by paarsurrey
yeezevee wrote:
paarsurrey:
Jesus was a wise Prophet of the Creator-God Allah YHWH;
he and his mother never believed in such absurdities.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.
That may be true dear paarsurrey ., no disagreement there.


Hi friends yeezevee

I thank you for acknowledging that Jesus and Mary never believed in absurdities brought in Christianity by Paul.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:31 am
by yeezevee
Hi friends yeezevee

I thank you for acknowledging that Jesus and Mary never believed in absurdities brought in Christianity by Paul.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks
that is O.K. dear paarsurrey., not only me, even real HARDCORE CHRISTIANS do not worry much about what you say., They believe in what they believe., that is Christ and Mary were Embodiment of GODLINESS ..closest possible that any human being ever (GOT) could get to God., Where as you Love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran., That is wonderful.

As far as absurdities brought in to Christianity by Paul or for that matter others., You have freedom to question and argue., But I can to tell you one thing., I said this before., let me write again, when you compare life of Prophet of Islam withe life of Paul., I tell you this much., Paul indeed becomes saint and Muhammad(PBUH) becomes sinner.

with best wishes
yeezevee