Fathom wrote:Teaching an understanding of the Trinity does not need to be so complex, for the concept is very easy to understand if explained properly. I am not a Christian, nor do I belong to any religion. However, I have spent decades in the study of ancient texts and religions.
Here is a very simple but effective way to understand the Trinity.
Let's take a big jug of milk, and pretend that it is God.
Now, place three equally sized cups on a table. Fill each cup with milk.
The 1st cup is the Father. The 2nd cup is the Son. The 3rd cup is the Holy Spirit.
You see 3 cups, but the same milk from the same jug is in the 3 cups.
Now, empty each cup back into the jug and answer the following question.
When looking at the milk in the jug, can you tell which part of that milk is the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit?
That is how you understand the Trinity.
Hello Fathom – I see you are at it once again
I tend to agree with emma67 that your example doesn’t hold water – or was that milk? To be fair emma’s Time example likewise has limitations as Jesus is described as being ‘the same yesterday, today and forever’. We simply have to face the fact that our puny finite minds are incapable of ‘fathoming’ the nature of the triune God.
But taking that into account I should like to make a stab at giving an explanation. Consider this expression:
YHWH = [the Father] AND [the Son] AND [the Holy Spirit]
This is a Boolean expression wherein the three elements on the right hand side MUST all be TRUE for the element on the left hand side to be TRUE. In Boolean math TRUE is represented by the number 1 and FALSE by 0. So the expression could be re-written:
1 =  AND  AND 
Further explanation could be made; such as, the Essence, Nature and Substance of each of the right hand elements are of the same as the Essence, Nature and Substance of the left hand element. So that IF any one of the right hand elements were FALSE  or left out of the expression the left hand element would be rendered incomplete and thereby FALSE  as well. While not perfect, this expression maintains the individuality of each of the right hand elements as well as the composite-unity of the left hand element.
You have expressed some opinions regarding the use of the word ‘elohim’ in the Torah, in particular its use in the first chapter of Genesis – implying that its usage ‘there’ is a definite indication that the ancient Hebrew faith was polytheistic in nature. You then attempt to ‘prove’ your thesis by quoting Jesus who was quoting the Tanakh where ‘elohim’ is used to describe the status of some officials (judges) of Israel. In so doing you also made the outrageous claim that Jesus was also polytheistic. In point of fact you have merely exhibited your total lack of understanding of the word ‘elohim’ and its usage in the Tanakh. The most basic meaning of the word ‘elohim’ is powerful or powerful-one. While it is the plural form it is used throughout the Tanakh in reference to the ‘One God’, pagan gods, and people who have great authority or prominence, i.e. Abraham and the Judges mentioned above. It is even used once to describe the ‘powerful’ struggle that Rachel had with her sister Leah.
The bottom line is that ‘elohim’ is nothing but a generic term that can be used as a reference to the God, a god, any god or any person or persons that wield great authority or have great prominence. The word ‘theos’ in Koine Greek has much the same usage – a generic reference to the God, a god, any god or any person or persons that wield great authority or have great prominence – in point of fact the English word ‘god’ serves the identical purpose.
Jesus was NOT a polytheist – in Mark 12.29 Jesus quoted Deut 6.4, ‘Jesus answered, “The most important is, Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”’ When Jesus told the ‘Jews’ that ‘I and the Father are ONE’ the ‘Jews’ explained their desire to stone Him was because ‘you being a man make yourself GOD’. While Jesus was fully aware of the deity of the Father He was also fully aware of His own deity. And seeing that Jesus was not a polytheist we must only conclude that the Father and the Son, while being separate personages, are in fact the ONE GOD.
Only Jesus is able to grant the PEACE that passes understanding – PEACE be with you.