Certainly the terrorist actions of Muslims are linked to the Quran. I do not need to make this claim - they make it for themselves.
Indeed, those fuckers are the ONLY enemies of Islam.
Certainly the terrorist actions of Muslims are linked to the Quran. I do not need to make this claim - they make it for themselves.
debunker wrote:@BrendaCertainly the terrorist actions of Muslims are linked to the Quran. I do not need to make this claim - they make it for themselves.
Indeed, those fuckers are the ONLY enemies of Islam.
debunker wrote:Now, now... I never denied that Islamic conquest was a reality... all I asked for is to admit that the covenant of Umar (as offensive as it is) exemplifies the true nature of Islamic conquest... that's all i asked for since day 1 in this forum.
debunker wrote:@ Charles
Get the real picture? You mean what Muslims actually think?
Let me give you an 'example' of what some Muslims actually think:
One day, I was reproaching my Muslim friend (here in the US) for having a girlfriend and reminding him that fornication is a big sin. He replied to me (seriously) that there's nothing wrong with it! I asked him why? He said because she's non-Muslim? I said so what? He said her being a non-Muslim makes her his slave, only he can't help enslaving her so he's enjoying his rights with her permission!!!!
Don't tell me I don't know how Muslims think...
Oh and by the way, those Taliban style Muslims wish to see every spot on earth in ruins. nd those animals spare nothing and no one. One of them was caught in the Grand Mosque in Mecca with explosives intending to blow himself up among Muslims hoping that such a move would topple down the Saudi Dynasty... there is no limits to those animals.
debunker wrote:@ Brenda
I'm tired of repeating myself... and most certainly I'm tired of hearing rantings... so long.
dianagrace wrote:The media and other people can critize and do bad things to satisfy themselves and ridicule Christianity. After all, Jesus himself said that Christians will be persecuted and mocked because of their allegiance to him. And if we suffer, we suffer as he did and will also share in his glory when he returns to judge the entire human race. So I say let them say whatever they wanna say, make documentaries and criticise our faith, but they will all be held accountable for their actions. Happy are those who trust in the Lord..
crazymonkie_ wrote:dianagrace wrote:The media and other people can critize and do bad things to satisfy themselves and ridicule Christianity. After all, Jesus himself said that Christians will be persecuted and mocked because of their allegiance to him. And if we suffer, we suffer as he did and will also share in his glory when he returns to judge the entire human race. So I say let them say whatever they wanna say, make documentaries and criticise our faith, but they will all be held accountable for their actions. Happy are those who trust in the Lord..
And I could *almost* get behind you.... but for the fact that Christianity's been in charge in the West for about 1700. And managed to 'eff up just about everything from then till now. So please excuse me if I'm really not impressed with Christian governance.
Now at this point you may say 'but they weren't true Christians,' but you'd be wrong. Those who messed up the West- facilitating its descent into the Dark Ages, keeping learning from the majority of the populace, and coming up with circular, screwy arguments for their systems staying in charge- were *the Christians* of their ages. Whether or not by *your* standards they would have gotten into Heaven is absolutely irrelevant; what god thinks is similarly irrelevant. What matters is their self-identification, and what they did with your religion.
crazymonkie_ wrote:The capacity to criticize ANY religion- or any cultural force, economic system, political system, etc.- is a great strength, and was HARD FOUGHT. Centuries of Christians killing Christians, to the point of stalemate, and then more centuries of realizing that it was CHRISTIANITY that messed things up-
crazymonkie_ wrote:and now YOU don't want to hear the criticism, because you don't like it? Too bad. To your religion, I am worth less (I don't follow Christian morals); I am a fool (don't believe in your god); I am your enemy (the same). So again: I don't care if you're offended- we need this sort of discussion. Silence is the same as assent to the ascendancy of theocracy, as far as I'm concerned.
As I always say, the biggest and most despicable liars on the planet (Muslims). It seems to be in their very nature. What is it about Islam that turns these people into such rotten, foul, filthy liars? Is there something in Islam that condones this? Where do these people obviously get the idea that it does?
elle wrote:Muhammad bL asks,As I always say, the biggest and most despicable liars on the planet (Muslims). It seems to be in their very nature. What is it about Islam that turns these people into such rotten, foul, filthy liars? Is there something in Islam that condones this? Where do these people obviously get the idea that it does?
The answer is found in the Koran and the philosophy of Islam as illustrated from the following Koranic verses and from Islamic Hadiths.
Bukhari:V7B67N427 "The Prophet said, 'If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'"
[The prophet illustrates that he chooses his oath to suit the occasion or his advantage.]
Qur'an 9:3 "Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations."
[Allah's messenger may dissolve his obligations as he chooses. He does not need permission from Allah.]
Qur'an 66:2 "Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows."
[Allah has sanction that you may break your vows. So vows mean nothing in Islam.]
Bukhari:V4B52N268 "Allah's Apostle said, 'War is deceit.'"
[Mohammad has decreed that in War any deceit is acceptable in Islam, as war is deceit. Islam is at perpetual war with all non-Muslims, i.e. Christians and Jews.]
Qur'an 4:142 "Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them."
[Because Allah believes his enemies will try to deceive Allah, Allah has the full justification to deceive his enemies.]
The above provides you with just a few Islamic sources that provides the justification for their actions. It has become part of the Islamic culture. So there is nothing wrong with lying. Telling the truth is a Christian weakness and fault.
And I could *almost* get behind you.... but for the fact that Christianity's been in charge in the West for about 1700. And managed to 'eff up just about everything from then till now. So please excuse me if I'm really not impressed with Christian governance.
Now at this point you may say 'but they weren't true Christians,' but you'd be wrong. Those who messed up the West- facilitating its descent into the Dark Ages, keeping learning from the majority of the populace, and coming up with circular, screwy arguments for their systems staying in charge- were *the Christians* of their ages. Whether or not by *your* standards they would have gotten into Heaven is absolutely irrelevant; what god thinks is similarly irrelevant. What matters is their self-identification, and what they did with your religion.
crazymonkie_ wrote:dianagrace wrote:The media and other people can critize and do bad things to satisfy themselves and ridicule Christianity. After all, Jesus himself said that Christians will be persecuted and mocked because of their allegiance to him. And if we suffer, we suffer as he did and will also share in his glory when he returns to judge the entire human race. So I say let them say whatever they wanna say, make documentaries and criticise our faith, but they will all be held accountable for their actions. Happy are those who trust in the Lord..
And I could *almost* get behind you.... but for the fact that Christianity's been in charge in the West for about 1700. And managed to 'eff up just about everything from then till now. So please excuse me if I'm really not impressed with Christian governance.
Now at this point you may say 'but they weren't true Christians,' but you'd be wrong. Those who messed up the West- facilitating its descent into the Dark Ages, keeping learning from the majority of the populace, and coming up with circular, screwy arguments for their systems staying in charge- were *the Christians* of their ages. Whether or not by *your* standards they would have gotten into Heaven is absolutely irrelevant; what god thinks is similarly irrelevant. What matters is their self-identification, and what they did with your religion.
The capacity to criticize ANY religion- or any cultural force, economic system, political system, etc.- is a great strength, and was HARD FOUGHT. Centuries of Christians killing Christians, to the point of stalemate, and then more centuries of realizing that it was CHRISTIANITY that messed things up- and now YOU don't want to hear the criticism, because you don't like it? Too bad. To your religion, I am worth less (I don't follow Christian morals); I am a fool (don't believe in your god); I am your enemy (the same). So again: I don't care if you're offended- we need this sort of discussion. Silence is the same as assent to the ascendancy of theocracy, as far as I'm concerned.
That is to be taken advantage of by our honest and honorable Muslims. And they know they are being dishonest hypocritical opportunists, but they don't care. Achieve the numbers, that's all that matter, whether by hook or crook. There's no sense of honor needed in one's dealings with the kafir. That must be what they tell themselves when they stoop down as low as they do.
Here I would like to offer my views. I do not believe that most Muslims are dishonest or hypocritical or opportunistic BUT are sincere in their pursuit of their religion. They have been taught that their biggest sacrifice to Allah is to promote Islam even if it could mean the sacrifice of his own life. Thus it is the duty of every Muslim to work for the promotion and the protection of Allah and Islam using whatever means at their disposal, even deceit because allah will know the true intent of his heart, for Allah sees all, and will know that a person was sincerely and loyal to Allah, Allah will understand. So using Taqiyya is using dissimulation to gain an advantage over his enemy and that is condoned by Allah and it is not seen as a lie.
This is why, to understand Islam we must understand their philosophy and the teachings of Islam to understand, that what is seen as dishonesty in Christianity is a virtue in Islam and the whole Muslin community and culture.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:I believe that a religion is a concept, not it's followers actions. Where did Jesus tell them to do any of this? And if he didn't, are their actions truly part of Christianity? If so, we could find where Jesus told them to do this.
MBL wrote:Everything was messed up in the world. Do you think the east ended up making out any better?
You subscribe to the nonsense that Christianity must be held up to a standard and scrutinized, while others need not be held to a standard.
There were brutalities all over the world from everybody, but the Christian ones got better publishing. And since Christianity today, freely allows criticism of it, unlike Islam, it becomes the kicking post.
If one listens, then that's the person people will kick. If the US does something that the world thinks is wrong, the world screams. Why? Because they believe the US has ears. If China or the old Soviet Union does something wrong, nobody bothers to scream because they know that almost nobody in China or the Soviet Union will hear them, and the ones that do, do not care. So ironically, it's the ones that care that people try to kick.
Anyway, sorry some Christians obviously treated you badly. As Gandhi said, if it weren't for the Christians, I would be one.
dianagrace wrote:The Islamic Jihad is an entirely different philosophy regarding Islam and their need to dominate the universe. The Islamic Jihad is a truly religious and everlasting war. Islam will not rest until it has made the world a Dar al Islam, a world of Peace.
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