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Jesus Loves His Enemies, Then Kills Them All

PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:44 am
by pert
Islamapologists always trot this Loonwatch article out, has anyone refuted it?

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/04/jesus-loves-his-enemies-and-then-kills-them-all/

Re: Jesus Loves His Enemies, Then Kills Them All

PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:26 pm
by manfred
Oh dear... this is written with the false assumption that to Christians the bible is the same as the Qur'an.

Biblical texts are not seen as literally words of God dictated or "handed down", but they are a large collection of religious texts written by many people over a period of some 1500 years. They also have many different GENRE, as all literature has. Some of the bible is poetic, some a historical account, some is allegorical teaching, and we even have songs, simple proverbs or folk tales. Not understanding this leads to the "iffo fallacy" of treating the bible like the Qur'an.

Many of the texts he quoted were written hundreds of years before Christ, and are part of the Hebrew bible. They do not refer to Jesus' teachings, because he was not born yet, and you cannot simply pick a line from a song (such as the Psalms) and pretend it relates to Jesus as if he actually said that. To understand the text, you need to know when it was written and why, by whom or by what kind of person, and of what genre.

The only part from New Testament texts the writer mentions is Revelations, a difficult text seriously loaded with imagery and allegories, partly to make it tricky for Roman officials to make sense of so that they could not use it to persecute Christians. Today we cannot even fully understand all parts of that text, as some of the imagery is lost on us.

One thing for sure though: NOTHING AT ALL in the whole book is a literal description of past or future events. Much of it is a veiled attack on the Roman government for persecuting Christians, and a message of hope that this situation will one day end. Over the centuries, whenever Christians were persecuted, that texts often provided some comfort.

Also, the text is NOT a message by Jesus, it was written a long time after his death, by a Christian called John, which some assume to be the disciple John, but that is not certain, in fact unlikely.

That would be the starting point to address that bible scrabble article. Then we would need to put each quote into the proper context and genre, but I have a lot to do at the moment, so forgive me if I do not do that right away.

Re: Jesus Loves His Enemies, Then Kills Them All

PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:02 pm
by Ariel
Thank you Manfred. I wish I had a teacher like you when I was at school.