manfred wrote:I am telling you what the Christian teaching of marriage is, as you asked, so why do you say it is irrelevant? All Christians would agree that that marriage is between one man and one woman, except small groups like for example the Mormons. And you never heard of "freedom of religion"?
Religion is based on Holy Book, hence practices that deviate from the Bible can't be termed as Christian Teaching!
manfred wrote:Religion is about finding God, not about telling other people what to do. Those who have found the love of God will not need to be "governed", they will do what is right as a loving response to a loving God, entirely by themselves. Religion is about meaning of life and fulfilment, not about sets of rules.
then how about, the necessity of fruiting, prohibition of divorce unless she's unfaithful?
manfred wrote:You are misquoting what said, by connecting the first sentence to something it does not belong to. I said:
"It is also true that I, nor anyone, should not judge people on how they live their lives. That is also UNIVERSAL Christian teaching." I already gave you the biblical evidence of the Christian teaching on marriage. As to the Christian command not to judge others, this a mentioned several times in several ways, for example look at John's gospel chapter 8
that teaching is about, If you do judge, your judgment should be based on God Standards (Bible) :
NIV wrote:15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16 But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me.
manfred wrote:In the New Testament, both Jesus and Paul upheld the biblical ideal of monogamy. When asked about the permissibility of divorce, Jesus reiterated God’s original plan for marriage as stated in Gen. 2:24 (Matt. 19:4–6 pars.).
if you call that, God's original plan, that should apply to every human, then :
1. celibate is forbidden!
2. if God create more than one wife for Adam, then by your logic, monogamy & moreover celibacy became forbidden!
manfred wrote:Paul, likewise, assumed monogamous, heterosexual marriage as the norm, even relating it to Christ’s relationship with the Church (Eph. 5:21–33; cf. Col. 3:18–19). Peter did likewise (1 Pet. 3:1–7; cf. 1 Cor. 9:5).
I don't see which part from those verses, which forbids polygamy!
manfred wrote:Now, why would you be so interested in only this variety of living arrangements, one man several women? Would you also approve of of a woman having four husbands? How about 3 men living together ( there is a restaurant near where I live which is called " Les Trois Garçons". The owners are three gay men in a relationship, one French, one English one Indonesian, and they have excellent food.) So, is that a "marriage" too?
polyandry is forbidden by several verse which says "the husband is the head/leader of the wife or must be obeyed by wife", while for the homosexual relationship, I think it is quite clear forbidding in the Bible!
manfred wrote:As I keep saying, I do not judge how people want to live their personal lives, but I cannot call something a marriage that is not.
but you've done it, by saying that it wasn't a marriage, then it just the same, you say it's forbidden relationship!