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Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:01 pm
by Intelligent lad
ISLAM is NOT a religion and I will explain the reason why. The word religion comes from a Latin root "religio" which means UNION. In Sanskrit, the equivalent word for religion is YOGA which also means UNION. The purpose of religion is COMMUNION with the DIVINE. Let me further explain why COMMUNION with the DIVINE is a goal worth pursuing. Hinduism describes GOD as Sat-Chit-Ananda. Ananada means BLISS. Now what is BLISS? Let me explain with an example. Imagine the energy of the Sun. Can you imagine how much energy it has? The quantum of this energy is unthinkable as it has sustained life on earth for millions of years and will continue for many more millions of years. Now imagine TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of such SUNs. Imagine the combined energy of these SUNs. Your mind will be blown up even to imagine this. Imagine JOY equal to the combined energy of these trillions of Suns. Hinduism says that BLISS can be compared to this magnitude of JOY. And the QUALITY of joy is also much higher than the HIGHEST joy available to human beings (sex is agreed by most). So BLISS is not only quantitatively higher but also qualitatively higher. Communion with Divine means ONE ENTERS into this infinitude of BLISS. Now lets take the case of Islam. The very idea of COMMUNION with the DIVINE does NOT exist in ISLAM. The goal of ISLAM is to enter into an imaginary heaven with 72 virgins, 28 boys and unlimited alcohol. Debauchery and NOT communion with divine is the GOAL OF ISLAM. So it is clear that Islam is NOT a religion. Hinduism also says that GOD is that which fulfils you TOTALLY. Example: Many people think that sex, money, power, prestige etc. will fulfil them TOTALLY. So sex, money, power etc. is their GOD. This is the Demi-God or False God that Krishna refers to in Gita. Muslims do NOT worship Allah for Allah's sake but for the sake of sex and alcohol in heaven. So SEX and ALCOHOL is the GOD of ISLAM both of which are Demi-God according to Gita. This is clear proof that Islam is a man made religion which cannot think of any goal beyond sex and alcohol. Islam is unaware of the DIVINE BLISS that man can attain by COMMUNION WITH GOD and hence NOT A RELIGION. ISLAM is the biggest LIE every told to humanity and the result of this lie is the violence and barbarism that we see in the name of Islam.

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:40 pm
by manfred
Thank you for posting this insightful post. Hinduism is obviously to Islam what cheese is to chalk.

Given the richness of religious insight in Hinduism, I am perplexed that quite so many of your countrymen (I include Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in that, as they have traditionally been part of all India for most of history...) fell for such a shallow ideology like Islam; surely not purely a search for personal advantage? There must be aspects of Hinduism that made is a relatively easy target of the invading Muslims.

Have you any ideas on that?


On one hand, I can clearly see the profoundness of spiritual insight within Hinduism, just from even your short comment, on the other, I am lost to see why so many opted for something much inferior, which should be easy to recognize as such if you have a background in teachings of the kind you quoted.

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:26 am
by Intelligent lad
manfred wrote:Thank you for posting this insightful post. Hinduism is obviously to Islam what cheese is to chalk.

Given the richness of religious insight in Hinduism, I am perplexed that quite so many of your countrymen (I include Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in that, as they have traditionally been part of all India for most of history...) fell for such a shallow ideology like Islam; surely not purely a search for personal advantage? There must be aspects of Hinduism that made is a relatively easy target of the invading Muslims.

Have you any ideas on that?


On one hand, I can clearly see the profoundness of spiritual insight within Hinduism, just from even your short comment, on the other, I am lost to see why so many opted for something much inferior, which should be easy to recognize as such if you have a background in teachings of the kind you quoted.


I don't know .I am also quite perplexed at the number of Muslims in India. It makes no sense for anybody to believe in such horrible nonsense. Islam is not even an interesting lie. It is very boring, dull, colourless and dark. Maybe Hindus simply were not doing enough propaganda against Islam. Maybe it is about lack of evangelism among Hindus. Very few Hindus have zeal to convert others to their faith, but it is universal among the Muslims. Sometimes when some dumb Muslim sprouts the 'philosophy' of Islam at me I don't know whether I should get angry or laugh at their stupidity.

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:23 pm
by Idesigner
Given the richness of religious insight in Hinduism, I am perplexed that quite so many of your countrymen (I include Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in that, as they have traditionally been part of all India for most of history...) fell for such a shallow ideology like Islam; surely not purely a search for personal advantage? There must be aspects of Hinduism that made is a relatively easy target of the invading Muslims.

Have you any ideas on that?


Dear Manfred,

There are quite a few reasons behind mass conversions to Islam in subcontinent.

1. Aggression and conquest starting with Arabs in 7th century Sindh to Afghans, Turks, and Moguls was relentless. All new conquerers as well as many native muslim rulers did forcefully converted Hindus and Budhhist to Islam. Lots of killings and slave taking took place in 10-11 the century.Practice continued till Abdali conquest in 1700s.

2.Once muslim rulers settled down. all kind of coercion, enticement continued.
Where ever Islam has ruled for few centuries , by and large it was successful in erasing previous cultures and religions. Egyptians, Iranians and Turks have totally lost the memory about their ancestoral religions.Only catholics of Iberian Peninsula had guts to throw off those moor savages and reclaim land and convert muslims back to Christianityt.
3. Sufi did dirty job for Islam by convincing the population that Islam is peaceful religion. It preached to gullibles that Islam is same same as their ancestoral religion.Stupid Zorastrians, Hindus Budhhist, pagans and dumb Malay peninsula population bought it lock stock and barrel. In begining Mullahs allowed composite practices but later they weaned away converts from old religion and made them mean mother Figging muslims. :D Malaysia and Indonesia were easy targets for sufi conversions. Arabs came as traders but used all dirty techniques to convert gullible Hindus, budhist and animist to Islam. They also used favoritism in trade practices as they controlled sea route.

4. Hinduism is also at fault. It didnt try to proseltyze or welcome muslims who want to become Hindu again.

5. Hindu empires or dynasties didnt recover from the blows of Islamic conquests till modern day thanks to Brits.

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:37 am
by Nosuperstition
manfred wrote:Thank you for posting this insightful post. Hinduism is obviously to Islam what cheese is to chalk.

Given the richness of religious insight in Hinduism, I am perplexed that quite so many of your countrymen (I include Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in that, as they have traditionally been part of all India for most of history...) fell for such a shallow ideology like Islam; surely not purely a search for personal advantage? There must be aspects of Hinduism that made is a relatively easy target of the invading Muslims.

Have you any ideas on that?


On one hand, I can clearly see the profoundness of spiritual insight within Hinduism, just from even your short comment, on the other, I am lost to see why so many opted for something much inferior, which should be easy to recognize as such if you have a background in teachings of the kind you quoted.


What is the profoundness?Everyone claims that they have Sat,the truth except that the truth of one contradicts that of another.I do not know for sure the meaning of chit,might be it means matter or heart.That bliss is attained by anyone with a little belief in prayer and hymns to activate the hormones in his or her mind.Hypnosis takes that bliss a bit more forward as people begin to weep with the joy of receiving the Holy Spirit.

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:39 pm
by manfred
what is the profoundness?


well, I liked this...

GOD is that which fulfils you TOTALLY


It seems obvious to me that Allah from the Qur'an does not even come close to that.... not for anyone, really...

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:30 am
by Nosuperstition
manfred wrote:Thank you for posting this insightful post. Hinduism is obviously to Islam what cheese is to chalk.

Given the richness of religious insight in Hinduism, I am perplexed that quite so many of your countrymen (I include Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in that, as they have traditionally been part of all India for most of history...) fell for such a shallow ideology like Islam; surely not purely a search for personal advantage? There must be aspects of Hinduism that made is a relatively easy target of the invading Muslims.

Have you any ideas on that?


On one hand, I can clearly see the profoundness of spiritual insight within Hinduism, just from even your short comment, on the other, I am lost to see why so many opted for something much inferior, which should be easy to recognize as such if you have a background in teachings of the kind you quoted.


Well muslims are said to have constituted just 15% of Indian subcontinent when British arrived.That increased to 25% by the time of partition of India into India and Pakistan in 1947.Right now the % of muslims in India,Pakistan and Bangladesh aggregates to 33%.

That is because during the British period , Hindus took to Reformation while muslims turned inward due to loss of Power.Also the converts to Islam in Bangladesh were mostly from Buddhism and to a lesser extent from Hinduism.

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:57 pm
by Nosuperstition
When Bishop Heber wrote his journal (1826), his inquiries pointed to a Muslim-Hindu ratio of 1:6.79 Edward Thornton�s Gazetteer2 published in 1854 also gives the ratio of 1:6. Thus at about the middle of the ninteenth century, the Muslim-Hindu ratio stood approximately at 1:6. This would make the Muslims 16 per cent of the total population.


[quote]The total population of India, according to 1901 Census was 283,867,584 (including persons in the N.W. Frontier Province) and Muslims numbered 62,861,542.82 Therefore, approximately every sixth person was a Muslim and the ratio stood at 1:5.That is muslims increased in terms of %[/quote]

http://www.voiceofdharma.org/books/imwat/ch4.htm

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:07 am
by Garudaman
Intelligent lad wrote:The purpose of religion is COMMUNION with the DIVINE. Let me further explain why COMMUNION with the DIVINE is a goal worth pursuing. Hinduism describes GOD as Sat-Chit-Ananda. Ananada means BLISS. Now what is BLISS? Let me explain with an example. Imagine the energy of the Sun. Can you imagine how much energy it has? The quantum of this energy is unthinkable as it has sustained life on earth for millions of years and will continue for many more millions of years. Now imagine TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of such SUNs. Imagine the combined energy of these SUNs. Your mind will be blown up even to imagine this. Imagine JOY equal to the combined energy of these trillions of Suns. Hinduism says that BLISS can be compared to this magnitude of JOY. And the QUALITY of joy is also much higher than the HIGHEST joy available to human beings (sex is agreed by most). So BLISS is not only quantitatively higher but also qualitatively higher. Communion with Divine means ONE ENTERS into this infinitude of BLISS.

someone probably will not find it difficult to explain things like that to people who have the oldest civilization in the world (India), but what about the people who have the youngest civilization in the world (Arab)? :???:

Intelligent lad wrote:Now lets take the case of Islam. The very idea of COMMUNION with the DIVINE does NOT exist in ISLAM. The goal of ISLAM is to enter into an imaginary heaven with 72 virgins, 28 boys and unlimited alcohol. Debauchery and NOT communion with divine is the GOAL OF ISLAM. So it is clear that Islam is NOT a religion. Hinduism also says that GOD is that which fulfils you TOTALLY. Example: Many people think that sex, money, power, prestige etc. will fulfil them TOTALLY. So sex, money, power etc. is their GOD. This is the Demi-God or False God that Krishna refers to in Gita. Muslims do NOT worship Allah for Allah's sake but for the sake of sex and alcohol in heaven. So SEX and ALCOHOL is the GOD of ISLAM both of which are Demi-God according to Gita. This is clear proof that Islam is a man made religion which cannot think of any goal beyond sex and alcohol. Islam is unaware of the DIVINE BLISS that man can attain by COMMUNION WITH GOD and hence NOT A RELIGION. ISLAM is the biggest LIE every told to humanity and the result of this lie is the violence and barbarism that we see in the name of Islam.

first, about alcohol :

QS. 37:47. No bad effect is there in it, nor from it will they be intoxicated.

no alcohol on heaven/paradise! :nono1:

now, about "communion" :

QS. 2:186. And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided.

QS. 8:26. And remember when you were few and oppressed in the land, fearing that people might abduct you, but He sheltered you, supported you with His victory, and provided you with good things - that you might be grateful.


so all the pleasures on heaven/paradise surely can make person feel so blessed by God thus felt so close to God! ;)

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:47 am
by Amanalice
I want to ask Garudman few Q. Please reply in simple words as I am going to use.
A. When Quran says clearly that ALCHOHAL is haram and then allows rivers of ALCHOHAL in heaven then I have these conclusios as:
CONCLUSION : There are 2 kinds of ALCHOHAL, one has toxic properties another doesnt.
i. If it is true then Quran has to say explicitly to not use the toxic ALCHOHAL but use the harmless one.
ii. If wrong then again why using same word e.g ALCHOHAL at both places?

I have a different Q but in similar fashion, please consider it too :
while going through "Science and miracles" :-
CONCLUSION : how forcefully and idiotically "wrap" word is being tried to prove Allah hints earth is round.
1. if Allah has to say earth is round then why he uses all arabic words for flat to describe earth at all the places.
2. Why Allah says Quran is clear and then throws a bunch of stupid puzzles to us to solve and get happy like a competition facing student?

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:51 pm
by pr126

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:08 pm
by Mughal
Dear friends, can you see what hindus are doing to hindus, parsis are doing to parsis, jews are doing to jews, christians are doing to christians, muslims are doing to muslims, sikh are doing to sikhs etc etc? If you can then is this because of scriptures are is it because we are missing the point the scripturs are trying to make?


If anyone wants to study the quran, the best available option is to see how to make sense of the quranic text in its proper context. The quran is perfect for its purpose. This is claim of the quran not islam or muslims. It is up to people to learn things and see if this claim is true or false. I am doing that and I will encourage others to do the same. Once we come to know the quran properly we will be able to make sense of all other scriptures as well because we will have worked out framework that works.

http://www.jangforum.net/index.php?PHPS ... pic=5206.0


It is most stupid approach to criticise a text on basis of people who cannot be trusted in one or other respect due to vested interests.


The quran is such a book that opposes rulers, priests and money lenders or business for personal profit people because they all work for personal gains at the expense of proper human community. For this reason kings, mullahs and wealthy people have been perverting the message of the quran so that they could use and abuse masses at will.

Rulers use political tricks and mechanisms to use and abuse people, priests use religious tricks and mechanisms to use and abuse people and money lenders use economic tricks and mechanisms to use and abuse people. The quran exposes all this very clearly and that is why these people by using others try to mask the message of the quran. The quran is all about creation of such a kingdom in the name of Allah that gives people blissful and dignified life by way of their own hard work and that is why the message of the quran is brotherhood of mankind. No matter which other way of life people adopt, it will never deliver them blissful and dignified life, this is made very clear in the quran. It is also made very clear that living by any other way of life will most certainly land them into a world that is made hell by people by their own making.

If you are willing to interpret other scriptures in a rational way then why are you not giving same right to people in case of the quran?

regards and all the best.

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:18 pm
by Nosuperstition
Mughal wrote:Rulers use political tricks and mechanisms to use and abuse people, priests use religious tricks and mechanisms to use and abuse people and money lenders use economic tricks and mechanisms to use and abuse people.


And what about slave-traders?Do you believe that the mechanisms they use to enslave people does not have divine sanction?Islam is best in that there is no scriptural basis for the practice of human sacrifice,every other religion(I do not know of Buddhism) has one or two verses that sanction human sacrifice.

One cannot say which is better human sacrifice,usury or slavery.Between the devil and the deep sea. Atleast the money lender allows you to hold grudge against him in his heart and in his home.A slave is not even allowed to do that when completely brainwashed.

Why Islam is not a religion

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:13 am
by AlexmenCorn
...hope ive not missunderstood the thread,am having a slow day...

I have faith, i believe in God and believe Jesus was his son. Basically i believe in the fundementals of Christianity. I wouldnt say im religious though even though i pray each day. I think faith is something inside you...just cant explain but its there. Ive never tried to convert anyone because their faith is a personal thing, but i would sit and talk about my beliefs and answer any questions they might have. If im honest i think that there is one God, thats faith...Islam, Christianity, Judeism ect is the religion and the way that you follow God. Thats why we should respect each others religious beliefs. Im sick of some of the anti Islam posts thats been on recently, those that talk about Islam negitivly have to sit back and understand how awful it must be for those Muslims whos way of life is in fact whats being judged.

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:58 am
by manfred
Alex, just Imagine someone says "My religion says that I am allowed to have sex slaves, and I may use extortion against those who do not follow my religion. As a last resort, I can also kill those who refuse to follow my religion."

What would you say about such a religion?

Re: Why Islam is not a religion

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:33 am
by Fernando
AlexmenCorn wrote:Im sick of some of the anti Islam posts thats been on recently, those that talk about Islam negitivly have to sit back and understand how awful it must be for those Muslims whos way of life is in fact whats being judged.
People may judge the way of life of the poor benighted Muslims, locked into a mediaeval cult. But think about the the people whose modern, free way of life is utterly condemned by Muslims, some of whom cheerfully murder them because of it.

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:10 am
by Garudaman
Amanalice wrote:I want to ask Garudman few Q. Please reply in simple words as I am going to use.
A. When Quran says clearly that ALCHOHAL is haram and then allows rivers of ALCHOHAL in heaven then I have these conclusios as:
CONCLUSION : There are 2 kinds of ALCHOHAL, one has toxic properties another doesnt.
i. If it is true then Quran has to say explicitly to not use the toxic ALCHOHAL but use the harmless one.
ii. If wrong then again why using same word e.g ALCHOHAL at both places?

no bad effect Alcohol :

QS. 37:47. No bad effect is there in it, nor from it will they be intoxicated.

bad effect/toxic Alcohol :

QS. 5:90-91. O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?

Amanalice wrote:I have a different Q but in similar fashion, please consider it too :
while going through "Science and miracles" :-
CONCLUSION : how forcefully and idiotically "wrap" word is being tried to prove Allah hints earth is round.

because that "wrap" is "ball" in verba :
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp? ... 39&verse=5
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary ... wr#(39:5:5)
https://translate.google.com/?hl=id#ar/ ... 9%88%D8%B1
verba : ball


Amanalice wrote:1. if Allah has to say earth is round then why he uses all arabic words for flat to describe earth at all the places.

there's no any "flat" word, there's just "wide" & "comfort".

Amanalice wrote:2. Why Allah says Quran is clear and then throws a bunch of stupid puzzles to us to solve and get happy like a competition facing student?

because that "clear" is in term "for intelligent people" :

QS. 14:52. This [Qur'an] is notification for the people that they may be warned thereby and that they may know that He is but one God and that those of understanding will be reminded.

QS. 29:49. Rather, the Qur'an is distinct verses [preserved] within the breasts of those who have been given knowledge. And none reject Our verses except the wrongdoers.

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:34 am
by Val
Although hard to detect through a thick web of lies, Islam is the worship of Shiva/Satan. The destroyer/deciever has ultimate control of Muslims, especially the leaders. Discernment here is a lesson in discarding words and instead, observing behaviors. You will know them by their fruits, not their words. Actions speak louder than words. If Shiva/Satan had an army of human followers, what would he have them do? Murder, rape, and robbery? Seek to undermine human civilization including all the technology and human rights that have developed? What would you expect the destroyer to do?

Val

Re: Why Islam is not a religion ?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:34 am
by Nosuperstition
Val wrote:Although hard to detect through a thick web of lies, Islam is the worship of Shiva/Satan. The destroyer/deciever has ultimate control of Muslims, especially the leaders. Discernment here is a lesson in discarding words and instead, observing behaviors. You will know them by their fruits, not their words. Actions speak louder than words. If Shiva/Satan had an army of human followers, what would he have them do? Murder, rape, and robbery? Seek to undermine human civilization including all the technology and human rights that have developed? What would you expect the destroyer to do?

Val


http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/when-does-the-kali-yuga-end

To the best of what I remember from multiple religious books I have read right from my childhood,of those 4,32,000 years of present Kali Yug,only 5,000 years have elapsed and Siva being the destroyer of the whole world with specified rules only destroys the world at the end of 4,27,000 years from now onwards.So do not worry about the destruction of entire human civilisation by Hindus.Have a sound sleep.