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Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:41 am
by Centaur
Can any Muslim show me what teaching of Paul is contradictory to the Gospel or what is his motive to teach so ?
unlike Mohammed he never kept sex slaves, never ad sex with children, never took war booty and never had followers interested in sex and war booty. Neither did he promised 72 virgins.

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 11:49 am
by Ghaith
I guess besides Paul making Christianity polytheism, and Peter allowing Pig meat. They didnt do much damage at all.

But hey Paul received the revelation from Jesus right?

For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. (Galatians 1:11-12)
:roflmao:

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 11:53 am
by Centaur
lack of comprehension?

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 12:18 pm
by Ghaith
Centaur wrote:lack of comprehension?

ohh?

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:06 pm
by paxi christi
yos

will you answer me this question please.you keep over looking or dont want to answer it for some reason..in other posts the same to this all over the forum you evade this question..what is the difference in the spirits that come from the description from the new testament you gave me and the one in the koran,i gave you ?? ..does it hit you straight away or is it dawah time.lololol..

here it is......................

you wrote


The same word is also used in 1 Peter 3:4
Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight.



then i wrote.....


is that the one like this one.............



then, the spirit squeezed Mohammed very tightly, that he thought that he was going to die. And the spirit said to Mohammed, "Read." Mohammed was illiterate, he could not read. And he said, "I cannot read." Then the spirit squeezed him more tightly that he thought he was going to die. And the spirit said to him, "Read!" "I cannot read," Mohammed answered. Then the spirit squeezed him more tightly. He was afraid that he was going to die. And he said, "Read!" He said, "What shall I read?"

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:14 pm
by Ghaith
paxi christi wrote:yos

will you answer me this question please.you keep over looking or dont want to answer it for some reason..in other posts the same to this all over the forum you evade this question..what is the difference in the spirits that come from the description from the new testament you gave me and the one in the koran,i gave you ?? ..does it hit you straight away or is it dawah time.lololol..

here it is......................

you wrote


The same word is also used in 1 Peter 3:4
Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight.



then i wrote.....


is that the one like this one.............



then, the spirit squeezed Mohammed very tightly, that he thought that he was going to die. And the spirit said to Mohammed, "Read." Mohammed was illiterate, he could not read. And he said, "I cannot read." Then the spirit squeezed him more tightly that he thought he was going to die. And the spirit said to him, "Read!" "I cannot read," Mohammed answered. Then the spirit squeezed him more tightly. He was afraid that he was going to die. And he said, "Read!" He said, "What shall I read?"


o.O??????!!!!!

:lol:

I quoted 1 Peter 3:4 not for what the passage contains. I quoted it for its Greek word for "Silent" to refute the biased article you copy/pasted inn

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:18 pm
by peterpin
yos,

you really need to get to grips with the way Christians view scripture,this keeps coming up in your posts.

It is very different from the way Muslims view the quran, even though there are some fringe groups who look at the bible in a similar way to Muslims view the quran, the vast majority do not.

If you don't know this you will assume that you can simply quote bits of bible texts at Christians to re-define or challenge what they believe. That can't work, for this reason:

But for the vast majority of Christians scripture means something quite different:

The theological term used is "divinely inspired". The bible has many authors, and was put together over a long period of time. It also has many TYPES of text, there are folk tales, historical accounts, statements of belief, theological discussions, laws, customes, allegories, poems and songs and much more. The bible is a library stretching over almost 2000 years. It shows a DEVELOPMENT of beliefs over a long period of time,and also has a lot of purely cultural stuff. One such development iwas in religious laws we looked at was the stoning issue for adultery, as an example how it has matured over the ages.

It is also remarkably well preserved, and the "corruption" hypothesis has been debunked many times. In fact it is the best preserved ancient text in the world.

So, the bible has HUMAN authors, talking about their religious ideas and experiences. However, Christian believe that they were inspired and gently guided by God in their effort.

Why is this important to know?

Because it means that comments and views of the authors are human comments; are part of specific cultures. So their cultural background will come out from time to time.

Paul has a particular view on women. It was not uncommon at the time. It's part of the age. Paul also wrote down some very profound points on religion and theology. That is the part Christians believe is guided by God, the important parts. Paul was also a man of his age, so it would be strange to assume that we all have to have the same outlook on society as he had. A Christian must work out what his belief means TODAY.

Look at what he says about God, and you find there really is something really special,revolutionary, about that.

So, to find something of God in the bible requires a little effort and time. It also means you need to study the history of the text so that you can work out what is part of the human background and what is part of the divine inspiration. You also need to understand what text you have in front of you. Remember Balaam? It's a folk tale, with poems. A folk tale with poems can have talking donkeys. A serious history of any kind can't.

So Christians have always made this effort.

In Islam, this process is effectively forbidden. Why, when you use the same methods the quran is very quickly shown up as a fake; it lies about itself, and it does not stand up to historical analysis. You remember the issue with pharaoh? The thing about Dirhams and Joseph? When studying the quran in the same way Christians study the bible, it reveals itself as the composition of medieveal arab, with all the ideas of his age, including the flat earth.

To make it even more complex,sorry,yos, you also need to know that for all Catholics and Orthodox, the bible is one source of inspiration, but not the only one.

So, if you want to find out what Christians think about slavery, don't simply quote Leviticus at them. They would think you have no idea at all about religion. Try the following: look at various bible texts, writings of Christian theologians, discussions in councils, papal comments, synod statements and so on. Then you get an overview and an idea.Then put is together, trying to be balanced.

I hope this will help.

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:35 pm
by Ghaith
yos,

you really need to get to grips with the way Christians view scripture,this keeps coming up in your posts.

It is very different from the way Muslims view the quran, even though there are some fringe groups who look at the bible in a similar way to Muslims view the quran, the vast majority do not.

If you don't know this you will assume that you can simply quote bits of bible texts at Christians to re-define or challenge what they believe. That can't work, for this reason:

But for the vast majority of Christians scripture means something quite different:

The theological term used is "divinely inspired". The bible has many authors, and was put together over a long period of time. It also has many TYPES of text, there are folk tales, historical accounts, statements of belief, theological discussions, laws, customes, allegories, poems and songs and much more. The bible is a library stretching over almost 2000 years. It shows a DEVELOPMENT of beliefs over a long period of time,and also has a lot of purely cultural stuff. One such development iwas in religious laws we looked at was the stoning issue for adultery, as an example how it has matured over the ages.


You see peter you accept the bible is corrupt. but you need to know that i could care much about the bible. I quote from what is supposed to be revealed by god (Torah). And proving the Quran is correct by showing how it is corrupted.

I also quote Pauls law. One being discrimination against women.

Than you come with this?
It is also remarkably well preserved, and the "corruption" hypothesis has been debunked many times. In fact it is the best preserved ancient text in the world.

This is really funny because there are 1000s of errors in the bible. Failed Prophecies, contradiction, x rated pornography, incest, describing genetiles size.
:huh: And im sure it is the best preserved ancient text. Where is the Gospel of Jesus? Why are there only 4 gospels? Where is the text Matthew is talking about? Matthew 27:9

Than you went on trying to insult the Quran.
ou remember the issue with pharaoh? The thing about Dirhams and Joseph? When studying the quran in the same way Christians study the bible, it reveals itself as the composition of medieveal arab, with all the ideas of his age, including the flat earth.


That is in correct, Dirhams can be explained in many ways, just like with the "tree" jesus was hanged on. That not the errors im talking about. Bible has indisputeble errors such as Bats being birds and Rabits being rumiants.

Also proof of it being corrupted thanks to it failed prophecies.

Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

The Canaanite language has never ever been spoken in Egypt, and is now an extinct.

Now you might trick an avrage muslim into you white wash. But i know as much about the bible as you do Peter.

And as i se the views coptics have on the bible are same as muslims have on the Quran.

And the Catholics also hold it precious. And Paxi is a Roman Catholic.

If i debated the bible with you peter, i would attack you from different angle.

Nice try to peter

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:14 pm
by sum
Hello Yos1994

You are now spending your time attacking Christianity which you think is more fruitful for you but have now given up defending Islam because you know that you can not. Please go back to the posts that you are ignoring because you are faced with problems that undermine Islam and the credibility of Muhammad.

sum

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:19 pm
by peterpin
Yos, take advice or leave it, it's up to you.

I tired to explain some facts to you that may help produce a better argument. If you don't want to listen, well, carry on bashing verses all over the place, all out of context. Christians laugh at that, you know... but knock yourself out, nobody cares.

I tried to show you why it is that it does not bother people if yo can find little snippets, and sneeringly quote them as some sort of thing nobody else has seen before.

You don't seem to get ot into your head that Islam is essentially fundamentalist, while Chirstianity, by a very large majority, is not. Christian try to understand the bible by placing texts into its historical and litterary context, you on the other hand, try to make the quran say what you want to hear by changing the meaning of words.

Maybe you should think about the ribs and backbone/loins thing and get back to that; that sort ofproblem you can only get if you look at texts in a fundamentalist way. Muslims do not have the option to do anything else, so you are stuck with the errors, and your rather sad ways of wriggling out of them.

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:29 pm
by Ghaith
Christians laugh at that, you know

Catholics doesnt seem to laugh at it. Coptics get angry. Protestant i can agree. But when was the last time you saw me debate the bible with you? Besides the gospel of Jesus and your weird theory about Xylon meaning cross.

Maybe you should think about the ribs and backbone/loins thing and get back to that

:sly:
I was debateing with Cena. You joined in i had no problem with that. When i brought up t Loins. It seemed you started having ahard time. Same with the Quran. When you started having a hard time when i mentioned howthe Quran was preserved (by memory) you said i should stop telling silly jokes. When you sad that the quran said that it is easy to understand and i told youto show me where besides 1 translation, you started having a hard time doing so and said i should commando to do that :ermm:

Seems like you are the one with the excuses peter my friend :lol:

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:45 pm
by peterpin
Xylon meaning cross
:nono:
it means "wood"

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:37 pm
by Ghaith
peterpin wrote:
Xylon meaning cross
:nono:
it means "wood"


International Standard Version (©2008) Acts 5:30
The God of our ancestors raised Jesus to life after you killed him by hanging him on a tree.

International Standard Version (©2008)10:39
We are witnesses of everything Jesus did in the land of the Jews, including Jerusalem. "They hung him on a tree and killed him,

International Standard Version (©2008) Acts 13:29
When they had finished doing everything that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and placed him in a tomb.

ξύλον
wood
ξύλον
timber (as fuel or material); by implication, a stick, club or tree or other wooden article or substance
Derivation: from another form of the base of G3582;
KJV Usage: staff, stocks, tree, wood. G3582
Thayer:
1) wood
1a) that which is made of wood
1a1) as a beam from which any one is suspended, a gibbet, a cross
1a2) a log or timber with holes in which the feet, hands, neck of prisoners were inserted and fastened with thongs
1a3) a fetter, or shackle for the feet
1a4) a cudgel, stick, staff
2) a tree


http://www.lovewins.us/bible/strongs/G3586

Also, did the cross christians pray with today even exist at the time of Jesus :ermm: ?

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:15 am
by Nosuperstition
Ghaith wrote:“Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.”–Paul, 1 Timothy 2:11-12


Deborah, a prophet-judge, headed the army of ancient Israel.


http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts/women.htm

Prophets and priestesses have authority over laymen in religious matters.And there were many female prophets in the Old Testament.How can one explain that?

Heading an army that mostly comprised of men in ancient times also shows authority of a women prophet judge over male soldiers?How can one also explain that?

Re: Islam,and christianity

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:36 pm
by Nosuperstition
The Old Testament is the inspired word of God for both Jews and Christians.

Christianity is nothing but an offshoot of Judaism with certain abrogations from apostle Paul with an appeal to convert the gentiles.

For example Paul exempted Christians from the Kosher food laws(one of which is prohibition of pork) and circumcision.Exemption of these core practices of Judaism is said to have made Christianity more appealing to the gentiles.

So in practice,Christians do not place the O.T above the words of Paul in the New Testament.Therefore apostle Paul's words possibly carry more weight or authority than what has been exemplified by women prophets of O.T.

Islamand christianity

PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:44 pm
by AlexmenCorn
I blend Christianity and Buddhism, in that I follow the Buddhist 8 fold path, and some of the other "rules" in addiiton to the 10 commandments. I see no conflict with this, as the two are really quite similar, in that they are rules about much the same things.