Thoughts and views on Christianity and Islam

[kaimana1]

The story of Quraish feud sounds something we can finish up. Who started the blood.
It can help out Frankie aswell

Sure thing Ghaith, In ibn ishaqs sirat rasoul in the chapter of revelation we get this

"When the apostle began to spread Islam among his people as Allah had commanded him, they did not gainsay him until he began to abuse their idols; but when he had done this, they accused him of seeking power, denied his revelation, and united to injure him. The companions of the apostle of Allah went into the valleys to pray, unknown to the people; and once, whilst Sad and several companions of the apostle were at prayer, they were discovered by idolaters who heaped insults upon them, condemned their deeds, and provoked them to fight. Then Sad struck an idolater with the jawbone of a camel, and wounded him; and this was the first blood shed in Islam. "

Now Ghaith, i know you will probably claim that ibn ishaq isnt reliable etc... however - i challenge you to show me something DIFFERENT from a reliable source. Remember that means no al waqidi, sealed nectar , ibn hisham , or al tabari

Il be waiting for quite a while i can see

[Ghaith]

The story of Quraish feud sounds something we can finish up. Who started the blood.
It can help out Frankie aswell

Sure thing Ghaith, In ibn ishaqs sirat rasoul in the chapter of revelation we get this

"When the apostle began to spread Islam among his people as Allah had commanded him, they did not gainsay him until he began to abuse their idols; but when he had done this, they accused him of seeking power, denied his revelation, and united to injure him. The companions of the apostle of Allah went into the valleys to pray, unknown to the people; and once, whilst Sad and several companions of the apostle were at prayer, they were discovered by idolaters who heaped insults upon them, condemned their deeds, and provoked them to fight. Then Sad struck an idolater with the jawbone of a camel, and wounded him; and this was the first blood shed in Islam. "

Now Ghaith, i know you will probably claim that ibn ishaq isnt reliable etc... however - i challenge you to show me something DIFFERENT from a reliable source. Remember that means no al waqidi, sealed nectar , ibn hisham , or al tabari

Il be waiting for quite a while i can see

Eager i se. I rather take it in the one on one section and not here As i am cutting time on this forum and i would rather just debate with you instead f having 5 other get involved

[kaimana1]

Eager i se. I rather take it in the one on one section and not here As i am cutting time on this forum and i would rather just debate with you instead f having 5 other get involved

Here's the link to this topic in one on one. http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=12683

Let's do this Ghaith

[Ghaith]

Eager i se. I rather take it in the one on one section and not here As i am cutting time on this forum and i would rather just debate with you instead f having 5 other get involved

Here's the link to this topic in one on one. http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=12683

Let's do this Ghaith

[frankie]

Ghaith:

As i said before Christian scam has no effect on me

Then it should not pose a problem to answer the question.

Who made the first blow Frankie? The Quraish or the Muslims?

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How does answering this question tell me how Mohammed proclaimed Islam over all religion,which is what Allah commands?

When you ask a Christian how his faith was spread in the beginning,and how it should be done now,he would tell you, by word of mouth.
Why is this same question so hard for you to answer in the same way?

You say Mohammed participated in Jihad,how did this "Jihad"manifest itself,to enable fellow Muslims to copy Mohammeds example?

I gave you a couple of quotes from Mohammed earlier which states:
"I have been ordered to fight with the people til they say non has the right to be worshipped but Allah"

"I asked the prophet what is the best deed,he replied"to believe in Allah and to fight for his cause."

Mohammed tells his followers that the best deed they can do for Allah is to believe in him (and his prophet Mohammed)

What happens to Non Muslims who do not believe in Allah,and refuse to believe in him,are they just to left alone to get along with their lives?[/quote]


Ghaith

What happens to Non Muslims who do not believe in Allah,and refuse to believe in him,are they just to left alone to get along with their lives?

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They go to hell

You have not answered in full,you have "cherry picked" the easiest way out.
This indicates clearly you don't like what you see when looking at the actions of your "prophet" and what extreme measures he used to "propagate" the Islamic faith.
Muslim records show that Mohammed was a tyrant, who just used previous religious texts to make his form of religion look authentic,it was cleverly done,because you, and tens of millions have fallen for this disception for centuries,until now.

This fraudulent religion is unfolding before your eyes,the truth of it is being spelled out on this Faith Freedom Forum.
Why are you allowing yourself to be deceived,you have enough common sense, to accept that the faith of your birth is one massive trick on humanity,and yet you still refuse to be enlightened.

You are being taken for a fool,and the joke remains firmly on you,until you walk away from and reject all what this "faith" holds.

[Ghaith]

You have not answered in full,you have "cherry picked" the easiest way out.
This indicates clearly you don't like what you see when looking at the actions of your "prophet" and what extreme measures he used to "propagate" the Islamic faith.
Muslim records show that Mohammed was a tyrant, who just used previous religious texts to make his form of religion look authentic,it was cleverly done,because you, and tens of millions have fallen for this disception for centuries,until now.

This fraudulent religion is unfolding before your eyes,the truth of it is being spelled out on this Faith Freedom Forum.
Why are you allowing yourself to be deceived,you have enough common sense, to accept that the faith of your birth is one massive trick on humanity,and yet you still refuse to be enlightened.

You are being taken for a fool,and the joke remains firmly on you,until you walk away from and reject all what this "faith" holds.

Frankie since i buried you Christianty you want to attack Islam.
As i have shown you Muhammad could have spread Islam peacefully if Quraish didnt start torturing muslims, and plotting to assassinate Muhammad. You need to start readin stories in context like the one with Banu Qurayz christians like so much. According to you bible David was a tyran Moses was a tyrant, who wanted to make a nation slaves and if they refused he would kill them all. Than you dear to go as far as saying that illiterate Muhammad wrote the Quran based on the unholy bible? Have you read the bible? It contains x-rated pornography, genocide, men eating their own dung and drinking their own urine, incest, contradiction, scientific error. None of this are in the Quran. When was it last time the unholy bible had any scientific Miracle? OT and NT? According to you unholy bible PI is 3 and not 3.14. According to you bible earth is flat. According to you bible the moon has its own light. According to you bible we can marry our own parants. So dont say the Quran copied from the unholy bible.

[paxi christi]

Ghaith

As i have shown you Muhammad could have spread Islam peacefully

you have shown us nothing of the sort Ghaith.you throwing in dawah now? lol

ill show you why it was impossible for the mohamed to have spread his teaching peacefully.....

then, the spirit squeezed Mohammed very tightly, that he thought that he was going to die. And the spirit said to Mohammed, "Read." Mohammed was illiterate, he could not read. And he said, "I cannot read." Then the spirit squeezed him more tightly that he thought he was going to die. And the spirit said to him, "Read!" "I cannot read," Mohammed answered. Then the spirit squeezed him more tightly. He was afraid that he was going to die. And he said, "Read!" He said, "What shall I read?"

i keep telling you this but you will not listen.it was a dark angel who appeared to mohamed,not a angel from god.

the violence shown of the dark angel is passed through the teachings of mohamed.so it would be impossible to anything peacefully.

[Ghaith]

Ghaith

As i have shown you Muhammad could have spread Islam peacefully

you have shown us nothing of the sort Ghaith.you throwing in dawah now? lol

ill show you why it was impossible for the mohamed to have spread his teaching peacefully.....

then, the spirit squeezed Mohammed very tightly, that he thought that he was going to die. And the spirit said to Mohammed, "Read." Mohammed was illiterate, he could not read. And he said, "I cannot read." Then the spirit squeezed him more tightly that he thought he was going to die. And the spirit said to him, "Read!" "I cannot read," Mohammed answered. Then the spirit squeezed him more tightly. He was afraid that he was going to die. And he said, "Read!" He said, "What shall I read?"

i keep telling you this but you will not listen.it was a dark angel who appeared to mohamed,not a angel from god.

the violence shown of the dark angel is passed through the teachings of mohamed.so it would be impossible to anything peacefully.

Well if you read that in context you would get a better explaing of it If Gabrial didnt hurt Muhammad, the prophet would have tought he was mad and ran. Gabriel showed he was real and told muhammad to read even to Muhammad didnt know how to

[peterpin]

if Gabrial didnt hurt Muhammad, the prophet would have tought he was mad and ran.

That is exactly what he did.

[Ghaith]

if Gabrial didnt hurt Muhammad, the prophet would have tought he was mad and ran.

That is exactly what he did.

Nowimagen what he would have done if the angelmade no physical contact

[paxi christi]

Ghaith

he sqeezed mohamed that tight he thought he was going to die!!!!!

and you are telling me he didnt hurt him.

get a grip you desperate fool...think before you speak..

but then again that would be the arrogance of islam,wouldnt it Ghaith.

honestly,you are pathetically defending the undefencable with mohamed.

the dark angel didnt lift his arm and tickle him till he laughed.no he had him in a position that mohamed thought he was going to die..how violent is that??

[Ghaith]

Ghaith

he sqeezed mohamed that tight he thought he was going to die!!!!!

and you are telling me he didnt hurt him.

get a grip you desperate fool...think before you speak..

but then again that would be the arrogance of islam,wouldnt it Ghaith.

honestly,you are pathetically defending the undefencable with mohamed.

the dark angel didnt lift his arm and tickle him till he laughed.no he had him in a position that mohamed thought he was going to die..how violent is that??

He sqeezed Muhammad and for this you are calling him a dark angel

Confirming him self to be real and not some illusion isnt a bad thing Paxi. Sadly the fake Jesus take came to Paul didnt do this

And that why Christianty is garbage today with 3 gods and pig eating and the dismiss of the sabbath, pagan holydays and a lot more garbage.

[paxi christi]

i have heard some sh1te in my time. you cannot say you are serious with that post Ghaith??

and then say its gods work? seriously?

god is love, forgiveness,hope,trust,faith

not violence, deceit,lies,murderer,pirate, pedophile, hate and every thing mohamed was.that is pure evil..


sorry Ghaith.

no brainer if you are saying this what you are saying.

[Ghaith]

god is love, forgiveness,hope,trust,faith

Hope your not talking about the Christian god.
What love is there in genocide, killing, enslavement, forced labour, rape,murdering of children `?

Allah the god of Abraham how ever is merciful.

[pr126]

Wow. There is more than one god. Who knew?

[Ghaith]

Wow. There is more than one god. Who knew?

In Christianity there are more than one god

[Centaur]

I dont think Christians need paedophile Mohammed(Allah) to certify whether they worship 3 or 1.

[Centaur]

As you wish Paedo worsipper
llah Miriam and Isa

[Centaur]

Koran 5:116 O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside Allah?'
As you wish Muslim
So according to Mohammed(aallah) trinity was Jesus mary and And Allah
llah Miriam and Isa.so clearly Mohd the bedouin taking a wild guess on trinity and gets it wrong


Idols besides??
So is Allah realy that blackstone thingy?

[Ghaith]

Koran 5:116 O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside Allah?'
As you wish Muslim
So according to Mohammed(aallah) trinity was Jesus mary and And Allah
llah Miriam and Isa.so clearly Mohd the bedouin taking a wild guess on trinity and gets it wrong


Idols besides??
So is Allah realy that blackstone thingy?

o.O?
Sahih International
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.

Muhsin Khan
And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.

Pickthall
And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?

Yusuf Ali
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

Shakir
And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.

Dr. Ghali
And as Allah said, "O Isa son of Maryam, (Jesus son of Mary) did you say to mankind, "cTake me and my mother to your selves as two gods, apart from Allah '?" He said, All Extolment be to You! In no way is it for me to say what I have no right to. In case I ever said it. then You already know it. You know whatever is within my self, and I do not know what is within Your Self; surely You, Ever You, are The Superb Knower of the Things Unseen.

Transliteration
Wa-ith qala Allahu yaAAeesa ibna maryama aanta qulta linnasiittakhithoonee waommiya ilahayni min dooni Allahiqala subhanaka ma yakoonu lee an aqoola malaysa lee bihaqqin in kuntu qultuhu faqad AAalimtahutaAAlamu ma fee nafsee wala aAAlamu ma feenafsika innaka anta AAallamu alghuyoob

Where you get that fake translation from?

5:116 is not talking about the trinty. 4:171 and 5:73 are.

5:116 is talking about Mary worshippers (Collyridian Christians, Pagan Christians. They where in Arabia in the 6th Century in Arabia)