Thoughts and views on Christianity and Islam

[frankie]

Frankie from reading you posts i can see the Priests and Pastors have corrupted you mind, they have given you verses in the quran out of context and have made lies about the bible in order for you to belive in the polytheist religion of Christianty. Talking to you would be no hope i still will try. Let have a look at your first lie.

2.217 says fighting non Muslims to allow Muslims "access to the path of Allah" is the better choice,"tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter"

2:217
They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islamic calendar). Say, "Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with Allah is to prevent mankind from following the Way of Allah, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah), and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islamic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever.

What we have here is that fighting during the sacred months is forbiden, but not letting muslims practice their pilgrimage to majid al haram is a greater transgression. And fight those who will not let you alone until you leave Islam.

Now is self defence a crime Frankie? As i said earlier even Jesus told his fallowers to buy swords for defence.

Islam was spread by the sword because Allah and his prophet commands it,

reference please.

Also how did Christianty spread Frankie? Tell me?
Charlemagne ring a bell?

Similarly,the battles in the O.T." mirror" the same culteral practice in the ancient world,kingdoms are fought for and lost,and people lose their lives.Moses was a man of his time,just like Mohammed,BUT the difference in Mose's battles were not to propagate faith in God,they are held within an historical setting,restricted to a specific peoples.

Sure sure I will get back to this later

Deut 20:10 it says:
"When you go to attack a city,first give its people a chance to surrender.....
"But if the people of that city wil not surrender,but choose to fight,surround it with your army"

Lies wont help you frankie. I know the bible just aswell if not better than you.

Deut 20:09-11
When the officers have finished speaking to the army, they shall appoint commanders over it.
When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.
If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.
Jizya looking pretty good now Frankie

Deut 20:12-14
If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.
When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.
As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.

Hmm

Deut 20:15-17
This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you.

That tops the Quran by a long shot.

Ghaith:

Back to basics.

What are the objectives of Islam,and how does it achieve them, following the example of Mohammed?
Simple question,yet you have yet to succeed in truthfully answering it.
Failing to answer, clearly indicates you don't like the answer.

[Ghaith]

Ghaith:

Back to basics.

Ok?

What are the objectives of Islam,and how does it achieve them, following the example of Mohammed?
Well what are the exampels of Muhammad?

That we should respect our parents?

That the mother is to be treated with the best companionship?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 2:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man said. "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man further said, "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man asked for the fourth time, "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your father. "

To give alms and keep good relation with relatives?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 10:
Narrated Abu Sufyan:

That Heraclius sent for him and said, "What did he, i.e. the Prophet order you?" I replied, "He orders us to offer prayers; to give alms; to be chaste; and to keep good relations with our relatives.

Told people to adopt orphans

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 34:
Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd:

The Prophet said, "I and the person who looks after an orphan and provides for him, will be in Paradise like this," putting his index and middle fingers together.

Told people to look after widows and poor persons.

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 35:
Narrated Safwan bin Salim:

The Prophet said "The one who looks after and works for a widow and for a poor person, is like a warrior fighting for Allah's Cause or like a person who fasts during the day and prays all the night." Narrated Abu Huraira that the Prophet said as above.

He told people to be merciful.

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 42:
Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "He who is not merciful to others, will not be treated mercifully.

Simple question,yet you have yet to succeed in truthfully answering it.
Failing to answer, clearly indicates you don't like the answer.[/quote]

I can go on if you like.

Muhammad is the best exampel to follow.

[paxi christi]

@ Ghaith

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 2:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man said. "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man further said, "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man asked for the fourth time, "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your father.

how would he know,he never knew his mother and father did he?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 10:
Narrated Abu Sufyan:

That Heraclius sent for him and said, "What did he, i.e. the Prophet order you?" I replied, "He orders us to offer prayers; to give alms; to be chaste; and to keep good relations with our relatives.

is that why he killed one of his entire family ,then married the wife of one?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 34:
Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd:

The Prophet said, "I and the person who looks after an orphan and provides for him, will be in Paradise like this," putting his index and middle fingers together.

oh he liked to look after the young all right didnt he Ghaith?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 35:
Narrated Safwan bin Salim:

The Prophet said "The one who looks after and works for a widow and for a poor person, is like a warrior fighting for Allah's Cause or like a person who fasts during the day and prays all the night." Narrated Abu Huraira that the Prophet said as above.

this is more allahs work,

like a person who fasts during the day and prays all the night.

.not looking after the poor,since when have non muslims been given anything except jihad of islam?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 42:
Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "He who is not merciful to others, will not be treated mercifully.

oh yeah,why kill a poet,for writing poetry?then kill a person because he said allah had revieled a sura to him?the list is never ending.



you see Ghaith,mohamed controls you.in every way.not allah,mohamed.

allah is a smoke screen.

if you want to talk wine,then lets take it back to the grape.simple.

Christianity to mohamidan,there is no comparison.

budha to mohamidan,there is no comparison.

Judaism to mohamidan,there is no comparison.

infact the only things compared to mohamidan is pedophilia/rape/lies/murder/deceit/piracy/and using god for it all.

what sort of wine is that what you are drinking?the clarity is like mud.

[paxi christi]

@ Ghaith

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 2:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man said. "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man further said, "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man asked for the fourth time, "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your father.

how would he know,he never knew his mother and father did he?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 10:
Narrated Abu Sufyan:

That Heraclius sent for him and said, "What did he, i.e. the Prophet order you?" I replied, "He orders us to offer prayers; to give alms; to be chaste; and to keep good relations with our relatives.

is that why he killed one of his entire family ,then married the wife of one?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 34:
Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd:

The Prophet said, "I and the person who looks after an orphan and provides for him, will be in Paradise like this," putting his index and middle fingers together.

oh he liked to look after the young all right didnt he Ghaith?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 35:
Narrated Safwan bin Salim:

The Prophet said "The one who looks after and works for a widow and for a poor person, is like a warrior fighting for Allah's Cause or like a person who fasts during the day and prays all the night." Narrated Abu Huraira that the Prophet said as above.

this is more allahs work,

like a person who fasts during the day and prays all the night.

.not looking after the poor,since when have non muslims been given anything except jihad of islam?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 42:
Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "He who is not merciful to others, will not be treated mercifully.

oh yeah,why kill a poet,for writing poetry?then kill a person because he said allah had revieled a sura to him?the list is never ending.



you see Ghaith,mohamed controls you.in every way.not allah,mohamed.

allah is a smoke screen.

if you want to talk wine,then lets take it back to the grape.simple.

Christianity to mohamidan,there is no comparison.

budha to mohamidan,there is no comparison.

Judaism to mohamidan,there is no comparison.

infact the only things compared to mohamidan is pedophilia/rape/lies/murder/deceit/piracy/and using god for it all.

what sort of wine is that what you are drinking?the clarity is like mud.

[Ghaith]

Poor Paxi I am starting to feel sorry for you, you view of Islam has been corrupted by fabricated hadith and perverted tought. You might start seeing the light as i clear it soon. As the debate we had last time, i made you look at christianty different. And you view on Christianty havent been the same since than. I will save you Paxi. There is still hope.

how would he know,he never knew his mother and father did he?

He never knew his father he knew his mother but she died when he was very very young.
But he was a prophet of god, that how he knew.

is that why he killed one of his entire family ,then married the wife of one?

please tell the events and i refute them.

oh he liked to look after the young all right didnt he Ghaith?

Yes he looked after the orphans. Did the biblical Jesus also do this?

this is more allahs work,

He teached it.

.not looking after the poor,since when have non muslims been given anything except jihad of islam?

Is self defence wrong Paxi?

oh yeah,why kill a poet,for writing poetry

He never killed Asma bint Marwan.
Its a fabricated hadith from a non sahih book.

Stop reading Wiki-Islam and Answering-islam and Faithfreedom Paxi they are deceiving you from the truth.

Start cleaning your corrupted knowledge of Islam.

Start reading a little here http://www.answering-christianity.com

Remember you cannot say you have not been warned in the day of judgement Paxi.

[frankie]

Ghaith:

Back to basics.

Ok?

What are the objectives of Islam,and how does it achieve them, following the example of Mohammed?
Well what are the exampels of Muhammad?

That we should respect our parents?

That the mother is to be treated with the best companionship?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 2:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man said. "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man further said, "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man asked for the fourth time, "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your father. "

To give alms and keep good relation with relatives?

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 10:
Narrated Abu Sufyan:

That Heraclius sent for him and said, "What did he, i.e. the Prophet order you?" I replied, "He orders us to offer prayers; to give alms; to be chaste; and to keep good relations with our relatives.

Told people to adopt orphans

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 34:
Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd:

The Prophet said, "I and the person who looks after an orphan and provides for him, will be in Paradise like this," putting his index and middle fingers together.

Told people to look after widows and poor persons.

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 35:
Narrated Safwan bin Salim:

The Prophet said "The one who looks after and works for a widow and for a poor person, is like a warrior fighting for Allah's Cause or like a person who fasts during the day and prays all the night." Narrated Abu Huraira that the Prophet said as above.

He told people to be merciful.

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 42:
Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "He who is not merciful to others, will not be treated mercifully.

Simple question,yet you have yet to succeed in truthfully answering it.
Failing to answer, clearly indicates you don't like the answer.

I can go on if you like.

Muhammad is the best exampel to follow.[/quote

]


Ghaith
By using Muslim sources Mohammed is shown to be a man of violence,which in turn makes his followers men of violence.

The ahadiths are replete, as is the Quran,with references commanding Muslims to be firm against unbelievers for Allahs sake.They command unbelievers to either accept Islam ,be executed, or live in a subjugated,inferior state under Muslim rule.
Listed below just some of the hadiths showing Mohammed for what he really was, a warmongering,self proclamimed prophet,who used excessive cruelty, to satisfy his own desires of power,wealth and control of lands and people.

This compels you, and you co-religionists to copy this mans example.Why would you want to become a murderer for the sake of your god? Would you say that to kill in a gods name is beneficial to mankind?

If you have been led to believe otherwise,then you have been taken for a fool,and are being well used to spread an evil ideology throughout the world,to kill in the name of a false god,just as its false prophet did.


A quote from a follower of Mohammed:
"I am one of the servants of Allah. We do our duty of fighting for the
sake of the religion of Allah. It is also our duty to send a call to
all the people of the world to enjoy this great light and to
embrace Islam and experience the happiness in Islam.
Our primary mission is nothing but the furthering of this religion."
Osama bin Laden (1957 - 2011)


• Fighting is ordained for you, while it is repugnant to you. It may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you ,and it may also be that you prefer a thing and it may be worse for you. Allah knows all and you know not. (2:216)


• The appropriate penalty for those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and run about in the land creating disorder is that they be slain or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on alternate sides, or they be expelled from the land. (5:33)

• And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do. (8:39)
•
• The disbelievers wish that you would disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you may become all alike. Make not, therefore, friends with any of them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah. If they turn away, seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take no friend or helper from among them except such of them as are connected with a people between whom and you there is a pact…therefore, if they do not restrain their hands, seize them and kill them wherever you find them. Against these we have given you clear authority. (4:89-90)
•
• Not equal are those believers who sit at home like women and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit at home. (4:95)
• Whoso fights in the cause of allah, be he slain or be he victorious, we shall soon give him a great reward. (4:74)
•

Penalty for leaving Islam is death.

Bukhari, volume 9, #17

"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."


Bukhari volume 9, #57

Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Bukhari volume 9, #64

Narrated Ali, "Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's messenger, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky, then ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you, (not a Hadith), then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's messenger saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people, who will say the best words, but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will leave the faith) and will go out from their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."

4.89

They but wish that you should reject Faith,as they do,and thus be on the same footing,but do not make friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah,from what is forbidden.Bu if they turn renegades,seize them and slay them wherever you find them,and take no friends ,or helpers from their ranks.

Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
Some people raided the camels of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him), drove them off, and apostatised. They killed the herdsman of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who was a believer. He (the Prophet) sent (people) in pursuit of them and they were caught. He had their hands and feet cut off, and their eyes put out. The verse regarding fighting against Allah and His Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was then revealed. These were the people about whom Anas ibn Malik informed al-Hajjaj when he asked him. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4356)

Narrated Abu al-Zinad:
When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) cut off (the hands and feet of) those who had stolen his camels and he had their eyes put out by fire (heated nails), ALLAH REPRIMANDED HIM ON THAT (ACTION), and Allah, the Exalted, revealed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution or crucifixion." (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4357)

Bukhari Book of Faith No 35
The Prophet said: "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause.".

The choice is yours,to keep following a false prophet,or join the rest of humanity in fellowship and peace.



























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[Ghaith]

First of Frankie, make sure you give the right hadith number, many of the hadiths you gave are numberless. Once you give the correct numbers i review them.

Frankie you say Penalty for leaving Islam is death. But Frankie my friend do you know what the penalty for Apostasy is in Judaism and Christianity?

2 Chronicles 15:13
But that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

Deuteronomy 13:6-11
“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. ...

Osama bin Laden

And here is a fellow Christian

Fighting is ordained for you, while it is repugnant to you. It may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you ,and it may also be that you prefer a thing and it may be worse for you. Allah knows all and you know not. (2:216)

2:217
They ask you about the sacred month - about fighting therein. Say, "Fighting therein is great [sin], but averting [people] from the way of Allah and disbelief in Him and [preventing access to] al-Masjid al-Haram and the expulsion of its people therefrom are greater [evil] in the sight of Allah . And fitnah is greater than killing." And they will continue to fight you until they turn you back from your religion if they are able. And whoever of you reverts from his religion [to disbelief] and dies while he is a disbeliever - for those, their deeds have become worthless in this world and the Hereafter, and those are the companions of the Fire, they will abide therein eternally.

Is self defence wrong?

The appropriate penalty for those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and run about in the land creating disorder is that they be slain or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on alternate sides, or they be expelled from the land. (5:33)

You know what the penalty for blasphemy in Christianity and Judaism is? Not even waging war. Just blasphemy.

Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do. (8:39)

That verse is talking about Quraish.


The choice is yours,to keep following polytheism and worshiping idol Jesus,or turn to monotheism.

[frankie]

Ghaith
The words of the ahadiths are still there for Muslims to follow their prophets example even though you divert the debate to Christianity,Christians follow the example of Jesus,whose teachings are benign,people not living out Jesus's message are not true their faith,and are Christians in name only.

Conversley,Muslims are true to their faith when they follow the example of Mohammed,which turn them into men of violence.

And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do. (8:39)

That verse is talking about Quraish.

Is the Quran an historical record given to Muslims from Allah as a guidence for them,or are Islamic scholars wrong when they tell us the Quran is the eternal words of Allah given for mankinds guidence for all time?
How did Mohammed Fight in the way of Allah,to proclaim Islam over all religion" and gave his followers the way to do the same?
The clue is in Bukhari Book 52 volume 4 number 41 onwards called "Fighting in the way of Allah,Jihad".

keep following polytheism and worshiping idol Jesus,or turn to monotheism.

[/quote]

This clearly indicates your complete mis understanding of what Christianity is truely about.

[Ghaith]

This clearly indicates your complete mis understanding of what Christianity is truely about.

Okay When 1+1+1=1 than lets talk.

I can bury christianity some more if you like? As we already know its 55% Pagan.

Christians follow the example of Jesus,whose teachings are benign,people not living out Jesus's message are not true their faith,and are Christians in name only.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Matthew 5:17

And earlier i have exposed the Old Testament.

So by killing Homosexuals, does who leave Christianity. does who commit Blasphemy. Stoning adulters. They are following Jesus teachings.

Christian lies dont work again me Frankie, ive told you earlier.


Volume 4, Book 52, Number 41:

Narrated Abdullah bin Masud:

I asked Allah's Apostle, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the best deed?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is next in goodness?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents." I further asked, what is next in goodness?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." I did not ask Allah's Apostle anymore and if I had asked him more, he would have told me more.

Now i ask what wrong with Jihad? Do you even know the definition. Thanks to Jihad baby girls are not buried alive in Arabia anymore. Thanks to Jihad prostitution is removed in arabia. Thanks to Jihad polytheism is removed from Arabia.

Moses also did Jihad in Allahs Cause as i showed earlier in Deu.

[frankie]

Ghaith.
How did Mohammed Fight in the way of Allah,to proclaim Islam over all religion,showing his followers how to do the same?

[Ghaith]

Ghaith.
How did Mohammed Fight in the way of Allah,to proclaim Islam over all religion,showing his followers how to do the same?

Who made the first blow Frankie? The Quraish or the Muslims?

[frankie]

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quote="Ghaith"]

Ghaith.
How did Mohammed Fight in the way of Allah,to proclaim Islam over all religion,showing his followers how to do the same?

Who made the first blow Frankie? The Quraish or the Muslims?

[/quote]

Just answer the question

[Ghaith]

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quote="Ghaith"]

Ghaith.
How did Mohammed Fight in the way of Allah,to proclaim Islam over all religion,showing his followers how to do the same?

Who made the first blow Frankie? The Quraish or the Muslims?

Just answer the question[/quote]
If i give an answer it will be out of he context. Therfor you need to spread the question more out.
As i said before Christian scam has no effect on me

[kaimana1]

Ghaith.
How did Mohammed Fight in the way of Allah,to proclaim Islam over all religion,showing his followers how to do the same?

Who made the first blow Frankie? The Quraish or the Muslims?

Yo , Ghaith don't mean to interrupt , but didn't you and i discuss the topic of who struck first? between the quraysh and muslims - it was the muslims who drew first blood.

In any case, you quoted matthew 5:17 i want you to explain what FULFILL MEANS then i want you to read the entire passage from matt 5:17 all the way to verse 48? i will discuss this on other thread if you like.

[kaimana1]

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quote="Ghaith"]

Ghaith.
How did Mohammed Fight in the way of Allah,to proclaim Islam over all religion,showing his followers how to do the same?

Who made the first blow Frankie? The Quraish or the Muslims?

Just answer the question[/quote]

My apologies frankie, carry on -i had to put my two cents in.

[Ghaith]

Ghaith.
How did Mohammed Fight in the way of Allah,to proclaim Islam over all religion,showing his followers how to do the same?

Who made the first blow Frankie? The Quraish or the Muslims?

Yo , Ghaith don't mean to interrupt , but didn't you and i discuss the topic of who struck first? between the quraysh and muslims - it was the muslims who drew first blood.

In any case, you quoted matthew 5:17 i want you to explain what FULFILL MEANS then i want you to read the entire passage from matt 5:17 all the way to verse 48? i will discuss this on other thread if you like.

Kai topics we got to debate i think(some of this might be other people i mixed with you)
-Khazar
-Holocaust
-911
-Dahaha
-Kabbala magic
-Hitler
-Tabari, Ibn Ishaq and the true story of the Quraish-Medina feud
-Paul
-And now the bible

Pick any you like. Tell me if i mixed in any here.

[kaimana1]

Kai topics we got to debate i think(some of this might be other people i mixed with you)
-Khazar
-Holocaust
-911
-Dahaha
-Kabbala magic
-Hitler
-Tabari, Ibn Ishaq and the true story of the Quraish-Medina feud
-Paul
-And now the bible

Pick any you like. Tell me if i mixed in any here

Well, we haven't discussed kabbalah magic . I believe i touched up on paul with ivk but i am always willing to discuss any of those issues with you.

I will be more than happy to discuss the kitabul muqadas with you Ghaith.

[Ghaith]

Kai topics we got to debate i think(some of this might be other people i mixed with you)
-Khazar
-Holocaust
-911
-Dahaha
-Kabbala magic
-Hitler
-Tabari, Ibn Ishaq and the true story of the Quraish-Medina feud
-Paul
-And now the bible

Pick any you like. Tell me if i mixed in any here

Well, we haven't discussed kabbalah magic . I believe i touched up on paul with ivk but i am always willing to discuss any of those issues with you.

I will be more than happy to discuss the kitabul muqadas with you Ghaith.

The story of Quraish feud sounds something we can finish up. Who started the blood.
It can help out Frankie aswell.

[frankie]

Ghaith:

As i said before Christian scam has no effect on me

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Then it should not pose a problem to answer the question.

Who made the first blow Frankie? The Quraish or the Muslims?

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How does answering this question tell me how Mohammed proclaimed Islam over all religion,which is what Allah commands?

When you ask a Christian how his faith was spread in the beginning,and how it should be done now,he would tell you, by word of mouth.
Why is this same question so hard for you to answer in the same way?

You say Mohammed participated in Jihad,how did this "Jihad"manifest itself,to enable fellow Muslims to copy Mohammeds example?

I gave you a couple of quotes from Mohammed earlier which states:
"I have been ordered to fight with the people til they say non has the right to be worshipped but Allah"

"I asked the prophet what is the best deed,he replied"to believe in Allah and to fight for his cause."

Mohammed tells his followers that the best deed they can do for Allah is to believe in him (and his prophet Mohammed)

What happens to Non Muslims who do not believe in Allah,and refuse to believe in him,are they just to left alone to get along with their lives?

[Ghaith]

What happens to Non Muslims who do not believe in Allah,and refuse to believe in him,are they just to left alone to get along with their lives?

They go to hell