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Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:16 am
by Robert
Oslo, Norway: ALL Sexual Assaults ending in Rape commited by "Non-Westerners"


Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:16 pm
by Sten
All? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:57 am
by byteresistor
Sten wrote:All? I find that extremely hard to believe.

It's "plausible" compaired to the claim that they're all muslims.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:16 am
by Sten
What is so special about the native Norweigian population that they don't commit sex crimes?

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:41 am
by LCD
Its Norway, why would the police lie? It also stated, of all the cases, where the women could identify the attackers.

I don't find this hard to believe at all.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:12 am
by Sten
So what is so special about the native Norweigian population that makes them commit 0 sex crimes? How can we distill this magical specialness and use it on our own populations? If these figures are true, they are doing something that the rest of the world should join in with. What is it? It's not religion - Norway is largely a non-religious country. Could it be something to do with their sex education, how are they managing to keep a population of millions from having even one sexual predator?

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:59 pm
by LCD
Sten wrote:So what is so special about the native Norweigian population that makes them commit 0 sex crimes?


Let me get this utterly straight, you're asking what makes a supposed enlightened group of people not commit crimes against women? Maybe because they think women equals, that the average secular norwegian male doesn't consider them targets for rape? I thought you were a liberal Sten, who basically thought everyone was good, and that it was the terrible society that made people do terrible things... i mean here;s your perfect example. Secular Non-religious society and its members don't tend to commit sex crimes and you're asking why?

The liberal mindset must be very special. if they had announced that for the last five years crimes had been committed by Western Christians, you would be all over it.

How many muslims do we know of who are not moderate that go into a western society and make the most of it. Very few. Almost none. Look at England. Look at the united states.






How can we distill this magical specialness and use it on our own populations? If these figures are true, they are doing something that the rest of the world should join in with. What is it? It's not religion - Norway is largely a non-religious country. Could it be something to do with their sex education, how are they managing to keep a population of millions from having even one sexual predator?


Funny, you want to make it much larger, we dn't know anything about anything else either, how many unwanted pregnancies, how many abortions, how many single moms, how many dead beat dads. But regardless, what we do know is that Norwegians aren't raping other norwegians. That much is clear. And you question it, as always... typical liberal leftist.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:53 am
by Sten
LCD wrote:Let me get this utterly straight, you're asking what makes a supposed enlightened group of people not commit crimes against women? Maybe because they think women equals, that the average secular norwegian male doesn't consider them targets for rape? I thought you were a liberal Sten, who basically thought everyone was good, and that it was the terrible society that made people do terrible things... i mean here;s your perfect example. Secular Non-religious society and its members don't tend to commit sex crimes and you're asking why?

The liberal mindset must be very special. if they had announced that for the last five years crimes had been committed by Western Christians, you would be all over it.

How many muslims do we know of who are not moderate that go into a western society and make the most of it. Very few. Almost none. Look at England. Look at the united states.


Unlike you, I don't automatically believe in things just because it sounds good. For you, it is easy to suspend disbelief and blindly accept what you are told. I don't want to say you are gullible because it sounds rude, but calling a spade a spade, you are gullible. Sorry man, but it's the truth. Often you don't even properly read something before forming your beliefs and opinions about it. You're very promiscuous with your belief, you flaunt it around and offer it to whoever can titillate you the most or whatever rubs your ego the right way. You're obviously not used to being skeptical about things you are told.

I'm not a liberal, I'm a Discordian. And I am smart enough to recognize that there is no magic formula for the perfect society - the average male may not go around raping people, but there are violent deviant criminals everywhere, in every country, from every background, and so far no society has been able to completely get rid of them all. When I see someone saying that nobody from their country commits rape, my BS detector goes off. Unlike you, I don't automatically believe in things just because they stroke my ego.


LCD wrote:Funny, you want to make it much larger, we dn't know anything about anything else either, how many unwanted pregnancies, how many abortions, how many single moms, how many dead beat dads. But regardless, what we do know is that Norwegians aren't raping other norwegians. That much is clear. And you question it, as always... typical liberal leftist.


But we DON'T know that norweigians aren't raping other Norweigians. This video clip TOLD us that, but again unlike you I do not automatically believe whatever people tell me just because they wear a suit and use a serious voice. You do know what propaganda is, right? You seem annoyed that I question claims such as this "as always", as if what we should all be doing is just believing whatever we are told. Is that what you think, LCD? Would you be more comfortable if someone else did all the thinking for you and told you what to believe so you could just consume it without question?

Looking at the statistics, very few of all of those things you mentioned happen in Norway. Low teen pregnancy, low abortion rate, not many single parent families, not a highly sexualized society. It is a successful societal model and we could take a lot away from it. I would be perfectly willing to believe that norweigians commit LESS sexual assaults and rapes. I am unable to believe that they commit ZERO rapes unless I see some pretty huge evidence for that claim. Sorry, but that's got to be a hell of a lot more than a vague mention of a police report in a current affairs show.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:46 pm
by LCD
Actually, been thinking about this a lot, and i loved how you called me basically weak and that i believe what people tell me.

I believe this one hundred percent. I believe that for the last five years, and thats what the report said, the rapes were committed by non-westerners.

Where is the equivalent in a arab country. you yourself said that this societry was an example to be learned from ad I believe that. They don't have a problem with their own people raping their own people. They may have problems with other things, but guess what, all of that stems from a secular progressive mindset.

Rape is much more common among muslims, and guess what, I believe these cops to be accurate. Your PC mindset won't let you believe such an issue, but i think its utterly clear what is happening in Western countries with the influx of muslims, just as it is clear what is happening in the US.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:32 pm
by Sten
LCD wrote:I believe this one hundred percent.


I rest my case.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:59 pm
by LCD
Sten wrote:
LCD wrote:I believe this one hundred percent.


I rest my case.


Wow, such a scholar. Throw insults rather than deal with evidence. You win the internet.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:30 am
by Sten
LCD wrote:
Sten wrote:
LCD wrote:I believe this one hundred percent.


I rest my case.


Wow, such a scholar. Throw insults rather than deal with evidence. You win the internet.


lol, if you think that is an insult then I'm not surprised that you are always whining about being bullied. You are obviously a querulant with a massive persecution complex.

Evidence? What evidence do we have that all rapes are committed by non-westerners in Norway? You saw a current affairs show make a highly improbable claim, and decided to believe it. You then make another jump and start talking about Arab countries, as if "non-westerner" automatically meant "Arab".

Find some evidence that Norweigians don't commit rape, and you will have at least a legitimate base for your "one hundred per cent" belief.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:59 am
by LCD
I don't have to. The show said that the evidence was from the cases where the woman could identify her attackers.

That means every case, the woman could identify her attackers. Every case said it was a non-western male, and YES, a Non-western means a eastern country, specifically the middle east probably.

I've already proven it from what the report said.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:11 am
by Sten
LCD wrote:I don't have to. The show said that the evidence was from the cases where the woman could identify her attackers.

That means every case, the woman could identify her attackers. Every case said it was a non-western male, and YES, a Non-western means a eastern country, specifically the middle east probably.

I've already proven it from what the report said.


So basically you believe everything you watch on youtube?? :drool:

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:05 pm
by ygalg
I think to be sure, whether this is reliable report, is to compare the rape statistics before muslims immigration to Norway to the after they settled.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:18 pm
by LCD
Sten wrote:
LCD wrote:I don't have to. The show said that the evidence was from the cases where the woman could identify her attackers.

That means every case, the woman could identify her attackers. Every case said it was a non-western male, and YES, a Non-western means a eastern country, specifically the middle east probably.

I've already proven it from what the report said.


So basically you believe everything you watch on youtube?? :drool:


No, but it did say this was from the last five years, it didn't say all, it said within the last five years.
Wow, So PC and So stupid.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:57 pm
by Sten
LCD wrote:No, but it did say this was from the last five years, it didn't say all, it said within the last five years.
Wow, So PC and So stupid.


Find some hard evidence and I will concede the argument. Find me some actual official documentation that states all rapes in Oslo are committed by non-westerners. A youtube clip that vaguely references a police report does not count I'm afraid. Till you find some actual evidence, all you are doing is being gullible and believing everything you watch.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:11 am
by LCD
It was a police issued statement, meaning they have the records. I don't have to prove anything--you on the other hand have to prove they are lying.

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:18 am
by Sten
LCD wrote:It was a police issued statement, meaning they have the records. I don't have to prove anything--you on the other hand have to prove they are lying.


Did you see the statement? No. All you have is the (translated) word of the person in the video. Show me the police statement that says all rapes in Oslo are committed by non-westerners, and I will concede the argument.

BURDEN OF PROOF

Outside a legal context, "burden of proof" means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say "you can't disprove this". Specifically, when anyone is making a bold claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the person's responsibility who is making the bold claim to prove it.

Taken more generally, the standard of proof demanded to establish any particular conclusion varies with the subject under discussion. Just as there is a difference between the standard required for a criminal conviction and in a civil case, so there are different standards of proof applied in many other areas of life.

The less reasonable a statement seems, the more proof it requires. The scientific consensus on cold fusion is a good example. The majority believes this can not really work, because believing that it would do so would force the alteration of a great many other beliefs about thermodynamics.

A classic example comes from Criswell's final speech at the end of Ed Wood's Plan 9 from Outer Space: "My friends, you have seen this incident, based on sworn testimony. Can you prove that it didn't happen?". Considering that the incident in question involved grave robbers from space, the burden of proof is being incorrectly assigned.

http://debatepedia.idebate.org/en/index.php/Burden_of_proof

Re: Oslo, Norway: ALL Rapings commited by "Non-Westerners"

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:57 am
by CuteCoot
Sten wrote:Show me the police statement that says all rapes in Oslo are committed by non-westerners, and I will concede the argument.

This was argued over on another thread, especially between myself and byteresistor. That thread related to Pat Condell as he used these statistics in one of his videos. The stats relate more precisely to assaults by strangers and exclude domestic and date rape. They refer to a very restricted subset of all rapes and sex crimes in Norway. And I believe that all of these rape assaults involved some mention by the rapist of an Islamic theme. It's not just a matter of men of Middle East appearance. Something they said also identified them as Muslim. The details are in a report in Norwegian and are therefore not readily accessible.