how muhammad died

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piscohot
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how muhammad died

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Based on Muslims' claim that the Muhabala in Medinah fell on 24th Dhul Hijjah 10 A.H. and Muhammad fell ill several days later was a sign of punishment from God for insulting Lord Jesus. Muhammad reportedly died of headache and fever within 3 months.
and the confirmation by Muhammad himself
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Assuming your poison story to be true, why didnt God's prophet die on the spot with those who ate the poisonned meal. Instead he lived on for years, fasted every year in the scorching desert heat, fulfilled all his duties of statesman, army commander, husband, counselor and friend, and conquered Mecca, destroyed the idols with his own hands and fulfilled every prophecy made at the beginning of his call. God didnt allow the prophet to die until his mission was accomplished. Muhammad died a natural death.
The woman who supposedly poisonned Muhammad and his companion wanted to see if the prophet would instantly die, as if the assassination of a prophet would expose him as a liar but the opposite happenned: his companion died and Muhammad lived on until "This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion".

The poison story, assuming it happenned, is actually just 1 of the many attempts at the life of God's prophet, keeping also in mind all the battles in which he himself took part against the rejecters, but never did God allow his messenger to die before the end of his mission, like Moses wasnt allowed to die through all his jihad battles until his mission was fulfilled.

Even if Muhammad had died from poisonning (which is absurd, years after the event while his companions who ate the same meal died on the spot), this is certainly not an argument against his prophethood, not according to the OT criteria for the identification of prophets Deut18, nor according to Jesus' standards Matt23:30-37"you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!..Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar..O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you" or also in Mk12:1-12,Lk7:28 or Acts7.

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So why don't you tell the cause of death of Mohammed, eagle?

This Shia Muslim scholar (if there is such a thing as a Muslim scholar...), in his own very slow and deliberate way, makes a case for Aisha being the culpit, and she "helped" him along. Well, she had motive and opportunity, and his argument is a fairly good one. Do you agree with him?

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Eagle wrote:Assuming your poison story to be true, why didnt God's prophet die on the spot with those who ate the poisonned meal. Instead he lived on for years, fasted every year in the scorching desert heat, fulfilled all his duties of statesman, army commander, husband, counselor and friend, and conquered Mecca, destroyed the idols with his own hands and fulfilled every prophecy made at the beginning of his call.
you are deliberately ignoring the comments on Muhammad saying he felt his aorta were cut as described in the quran a punishment for false prophets as mentioned in the second video. And it tied very well with the proofs on the first video that god selects his time for punishing the false prophet.
Quran miracle (16:69) : Bees eat ALL fruits
Quran miracle (27:18) : an ant SAID, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."

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manfred wrote:So why don't you tell the cause of death of Mohammed, eagle?

This Shia Muslim scholar (if there is such a thing as a Muslim scholar...), in his own very slow and deliberate way, makes a case for Aisha being the culpit, and she "helped" him along. Well, she had motive and opportunity, and his argument is a fairly good one. Do you agree with him?
this is also possible. I have always wondered why when the prophet was on his death bed, he was not surrounded by his followers but his child wife instead?
Remember when Muhammad asked for something to write so that after his death, the people will not go astray?
His request was ignored by the people who ended up as the first and second caliph (who eventually were responsible for the death of Muhammad's daughter, Fatima and her husband).
suspicious isn't it?
Quran miracle (16:69) : Bees eat ALL fruits
Quran miracle (27:18) : an ant SAID, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."

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interesting video.
a south korean pastor supposedly had been having visions of Muhammad burning in hell and is telling what Muhammad was saying in hell.

Quran miracle (16:69) : Bees eat ALL fruits
Quran miracle (27:18) : an ant SAID, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."

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