Why muslim womens wear Burqa / Niqab ...

[Sameer]

by Waza-Minooo44 »
Note:( from the quran only we derived the laws from the quran only not from oral tradition)

I know,from the Quran only...Again same..question...Why it is mentioned in your Quran(Story Book) like that ?
So...No respect for women as written in your Quran.

1 man = 2 women witness
if four men = then it should be 8 women

Tell me why male have more important than female in ur Islam ?
As you mentioned above --- 1 man = 2 women witness / if four men = then it should be 8 women
Why is that so ?
Why cant be ---- 1 man = 1 women
Tell me Man ?

And ...... In Saudi Arabia, when a person has been killed or caused to die by another, there are prescribed blood money rates .See for Man and women below :
100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman

Why cant be 100,000 for woman also !!! .... Again man has more importance
WHY THE HELL IS THAT ?
ANSWER ME ?

by ixolite

Yes, that is natural, being naked is our nature, clothes only have the function to protect us from the environment/weather. Being ashamed of nakedness is NOT natural, it is something aquired and the islamic view of the female body as a gential (awrah) is not only not natural, it is sick, as it objectifies women into sex-objects and degrades men to penis-driven drooling retards who aren't able to control theirselves.

I agree....

[paarsurrey]

Hi friends

Quran does not literally mention of Burqa or Niqab? Quran wants that men and women should be chaste like Jesus and Mary. What dress code Mary used that would be sufficient for any Muslim woman, in my opinion. Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[debunker]

And ...... In Saudi Arabia, when a person has been killed or caused to die by another, there are prescribed blood money rates .See for Man and women below :
100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman

Nooo! How did you know?! Well, here's an even more interesting crap: if a man deliberately kills someone, then he doesn't receive capital punishment if the murdered doesn't have a penis.

[expozIslam]

Hi friends
Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman.

Which verse does that?

[paarsurrey]

Hi friends
Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman.

Which verse does that?

Hi friend expozIslam

I mention here the verses:

[3:43] And remember when the angels said, ‘O Mary, Allah has chosen thee and purified thee and chosen thee above the women of all peoples.
[3:44] ‘O Mary, be obedient to thy Lord and prostrate thyself and worship God alone with those who worship.’
[3:45] This is of the tidings of things unseen which We reveal to thee. And thou wast not with them when they cast their arrows, as to which of them should be the guardian of Mary, nor wast thou with them when they disputed with one another.
[3:46] When the angels said, ‘O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;
[3:47] ‘And he shall speak to the people in the cradle and when of middle age, and he shall be of the righteous.’
[3:48] She said, ‘My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me?’ He said, “Such is the way of Allah, He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.
[3:49] “And He will teach him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel;
[3:50] “And will make him a Messenger to the children of Israel (to say): ‘I come to you with a Sign from your Lord, which is, that I will fashion out for you a creation out of clay after the manner of a bird, then I will breathe into it a new spirit and it will become a soaring being by the command of Allah; and I will heal the night-blind and the leprous, and I will quicken the dead, by the command of Allah; and I will announce to you what you will eat and what you will store up in your houses. Surely, therein is a Sign for you, if you be believers.
[3:51] ‘And I come fulfilling that which is before me, namely, the Torah; and to allow you some of that which was forbidden you; and I come to you with a Sign from your Lord; so fear Allah and obey me.
[3:52] ‘Surely, Allah is my Lord and your Lord; so worship Him: this is the right path.’ ”

http://www.*you_got_to_be_kidding*/quran/search2/sh ... 3&verse=51

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[expozIslam]

Hi friends
Quran mentions Mary as a Model Woman.

Which verse does that?

Hi friend expozIslam

I mention here the verses:

[3:43] And remember when the angels said, ‘O Mary, Allah has chosen thee and purified thee and chosen thee above the women of all peoples.

and who is saying this and where does it say that she is a model woman?

[ixolite]

What dress code Mary used

You know how Mary dressed? Do you have a time machine?

[Sameer]

by ixolite »

You know how Mary dressed? Do you have a time machine?

man,well said...You know there are some people who talk like they have really seen that thing(paranormal thing,,ghost ,,?Ever) alive.Yes they talk like they have travelled in a time machine.A great example of all is already known.That is..those strict religious people use to talk about Heaven and Hell. (Like they are contacting people from heaven or Hell from here )

[ThereIs1Adonai]

Same old male excuse for lack of control: She was asking for it.

Reminds me of a judge some years ago in Wisconsin. Lacking only the veil, this 13 year old girl was walking home from school one day. While crossing a bridge, she was grabbed and pulled into a car. The man raped her and was arrested and appeared before this male judge.

During the testimony it was revealed that the girl was wearing jeans, sweatshirt, boots, a long winter coat, mittens, and a stocking cap. Ever been in Wisconsin in winter? This girl was wearing thick clothing covering her completely except her face.

So the judge says something to the effect that it was clear from her dress she was asking for it. (He must have been Muslim!)

Not everyone is so foolish as to think or say something like that. The people of that area petitioned and got the judge removed. He showed a total lack of JUDGEment.

The reason for forcing women to wear a burqa is clear: The men want to blame a woman for being what God made her to be, because men do not have the moral fortitude to keep it in their pants!

If a man rapes a woman, it was his decision and not hers. Can we please accuse the criminal instead of the victim?

Instead of making women wear a burqa, I'd like to see tougher laws passed to punish rapists. I personally think a rusty razor blade would be a great castration tool. Of course, the bleeding heart liberals would say that would be too harsh. As if raping a woman isn't harsh at all!

All that is needed to keep men from raping women is for men to take responsibility for their own actions.



Peace, Shalom.

[Brendalee]

The four witness rule may have originated with the handy-dandy revelation given to Mohammad to protect HIS favourite wife after the accusation against Aisha, but the ACTUAL result for the rest of womenkind has been to make rape nearly impossible to prove. Nor has it provided protection for women being accused of adultery since Islam allows that her husband can simply swear 4 times himself instead of needing 4 witnesses, and her testimony is only worth half of his.

Whatever the varied actual application of Islamic law, men are still outrageously advantaged and women are still outrageously disadvantaged.

Women foolish enough to complain of rape without those four male witnesses are essentially CONFESSING to illegal sex and condemning themselves from their own mouths. Women who are smart enough to realise this do not report rapes.

God help her if she is unmarried and gets pregnant from a rape. That is proof of her having illegal sex.

Of course in practise there is one rule for the influential elite and quite another for the masses. That is the way of the world.

[ThereIs1Adonai]

Following Islam, which elevates Mary as the best woman for others to emulate, it just came to me what would have happened had Mary been in an Islamic society rather than a Jewish one .... when she became pregnant.

So Mary tells Joseph, her fiance, that she is pregnant. Now, Joseph knows he never touched her. That would mean she had sex outside of marriage while engaged. I'm not sure how Muslims view engagements. To the Israelites it was a covenant of marriage but not yet consummated. That means that if Mary had sex with someone other than Joseph, she would be accused of adultery.

What do they do to adulterers in Islam?

Where were Mary's 4 witnesses to prove she did not engage in consensual sex? Or in her case, sex at all!

But Joseph, being a righteous man according to the Bible, took her as his wife and protected her. Imagine that! A RIGHTEOUS JEW who didn't have his wife stoned for adultery because MERCY played the greater role.

Well.... those are just some thoughts on this one that passed through my mind. Thought I'd share them. And now.... bedtime. Goodnight.

Peace, Shalom

[katlike]

Why does Mary become the ideal of a woman worth saving?

[IHSoter]

Following Islam, which elevates Mary as the best woman for others to emulate, it just came to me what would have happened had Mary been in an Islamic society rather than a Jewish one .... when she became pregnant.
But Joseph, being a righteous man according to the Bible, took her as his wife and protected her. Imagine that! A RIGHTEOUS JEW who didn't have his wife stoned for adultery because MERCY played the greater role.

Well.... those are just some thoughts on this one that passed through my mind. Thought I'd share them. And now.... bedtime. Goodnight.

Peace, Shalom

But according to St. Luke, Joseph was prompted by an angel in a dream. Like his name sake, St. Joseph was guided by night time visions. He also protected the Holy Family in Egypt like Joseph protected Jacob's family in Egypt. None-the-less, it was originally St. Joseph's idea to divorce Our Lady quietly. I would guess he figured to get out of the way of the father so that He & Mary would be married in his place.
As for Katlike, the Church teaches us that it was fitting that Mary should be preserved in the 1st moment of her life from original sin. That way she would be preserved as a holy vessel worthy of the Son of God. She is thus like the ancient Holy Temple of Jerusalem; or more precisely, like the Ark of the Covenant. Like the ground surrounding the burning bush, or the Holy of Holies in the Temple; she needed to be kept inviolate for the glory of God to come into the world through her. The Glory was called Shekinah by the Jews. Jesus is thus that Shekinah in the veil of flesh.

[katlike]

As for Katlike, the Church teaches us that it was fitting that Mary should be preserved in the 1st moment of her life from original sin. That way she would be preserved as a holy vessel worthy of the Son of God.

Interesting. How was she preserved in the 1st moment of her life from original sin?

[paarsurrey]

Hi friends

Burqa and Niqab were in use in the House of Israel; it is mentioned in Torah:

Genesis 38:14

13 And it was told Thamar that her father in law was come up to Thamnas to shear his sheep. 14 And she put off the garments of her widowhood, and took a veil*: and changing her dress, sat in the cross way, that leadeth to Thamnas: because Sela was grown up, and she had not been married to him. 15 When Juda saw her, he thought she was a harlot: for she had covered her face, lest she should be known.

*"and took a veil: and changing her dress" this has been translated in the Urdu Catholic Bible " aur Burqah ourha aur Niqab dala" which means she put on a Burqa and put on a Niqab. May be the Arabic Bible also uses the same words, I have not checked it.

So Burqah and Niqab were in vogue in Jacob’s time. Mary also used to be dressed fully, one could go and see in a church how the Christians project her. Similarly the nuns are also dressed in full.

Quran/Islam/Muhammad followed the same good tradition of Abraham’s family.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[diotima64]

So Burqah and Niqab were in vogue in Jacob’s time.

yes - for WHORES!

When Juda saw her, he thought she was a harlot: for she had covered her face, lest she should be known.

... decent women, with nothing to hide obviously didn´t think of covering up their face.

[IHSoter]

So Burqah and Niqab were in vogue in Jacob’s time.

yes - for WHORES!

When Juda saw her, he thought she was a harlot: for she had covered her face, lest she should be known.

... decent women, with nothing to hide obviously didn´t think of covering up their face.

This raises an interesting theological question. What exactly was Mohammed doing w/ all those wives of his? Lotsa mouths to feed. He must have had them earn their keep somehow. How else would he have gotten all those men to follow him like dogs?
This also goes towards addressing why he restricted all other men, besides himself, to only 4 wives. He wanted to limit the competition & corner the market for himself.
Cagey business man that Mo.

[diotima64]

As for Katlike, the Church teaches us that it was fitting that Mary should be preserved in the 1st moment of her life from original sin. That way she would be preserved as a holy vessel worthy of the Son of God.

Interesting. How was she preserved in the 1st moment of her life from original sin?

A special act of divine grace. Mary is, according to catholic and orthodox understanding, the only human being (except Jesus Christ himself) who is born sinless since Adam and Eve´s fall. That is what immaculate conception is about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

[debunker]

@ brenda

Nor has it provided protection for women being accused of adultery since Islam allows that her husband can simply swear 4 times himself instead of needing 4 witnesses, and her testimony is only worth half of his.

Absolutely not true. It's his word against hers. 24:6-9

[debunker]

As for Katlike, the Church teaches us that it was fitting that Mary should be preserved in the 1st moment of her life from original sin. That way she would be preserved as a holy vessel worthy of the Son of God.

Interesting. How was she preserved in the 1st moment of her life from original sin?

A special act of divine grace. Mary is, according to catholic and orthodox understanding, the only human being (except Jesus Christ himself) who is born sinless since Adam and Eve´s fall. That is what immaculate conception is about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

I hope you don't mind me asking, but it seems to me that to Catholics, the Bible is NOT the ONLY sacred book, am I right? I mean it seems that quite a few of your beliefs have nothing to do with the Bible. What other sources do you use? And why don't you think the Bible is enough?

regards