Mesmorial wrote:Of course it will be your last try because I provided a solid sensible interpretation which because it does not agree with tafsir (which does your thinking for you) stumps you. You are a hypocrite in what you say. You are not punished for your thoughts. You are punished for concealing the truth. Read 2:284 in context of 2:283.
Stop lying! 2:284 says you will be punished for bad thoughts! LEts see 2:283 and 2:284 together.
[002:283]
If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, Let the trustee (Faithfully) discharge His trust, and let him fear his Lord. Conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it,- His heart is tainted with sin. And God Knoweth all that ye do.
2:283 says that you shouldnt conceal the evidence and 2:284 further says whether you conceal or not you would still be punished for bearing bad thoughts.
[002:284]
To God belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth. Whether ye show what is in your minds or conceal it, God Calleth you to account for it. He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and punisheth whom He pleaseth, for God hath power over all things.
2:284 doesn’t say that God punishes you only for concealing truth. Look at the language used. IT says God punishes you irrespective of whether you conceal or not. So it means if you have bad thoughts then whether you conceal or reveal them it would make no difference i.e you would still be punished. This is obviously unfair because we all are human beings and we are prone to bad thoughts at least once in our life times.
Mesmorial wrote:You do not understand. If you think dirty thoughts then you pray or banish them before you act on them.
This may be true however it doesnt change the fact that you are punished for bad thoughts in 2:284.
Mesmorial wrote:Obviously everyone has such thoughts (see sura 114……………) You are not held to account for bad thoughts, but you are held to account if you do not banish them (because if you let yourself think things and do no fight them, how can you remain a good muslim??).
None bears bad thoughts deliberately because they are fond of bearing them.Its human nature!. Sometimes it happens that you simply cant give up and that’s why the verse 2:286 came to replace 2:284.
Mesmorial wrote:There is no contradiction. You are trying to tell me that Allah (SWT) replace a verse on the whim of humans.
Correction. Muhammad replaced a verse on the whim of some other human. This is on cards if quran is a fraud but you seem to consider only 1 possibility that is quran is from GOd and hence such thought.
Mesmorial wrote:No, 2:286 is a clarification for people who cannot comprehend 2:284, but this does not mean 2:286 was revealed specifically for that purpose.
Both these verses are diametrically opposite. One talks of punishing people for mere thoughts and other talks of punishing people for their actions or whatever they earn and not mere thoughts.
Mesmorial wrote: It actually hints at what I am saying. Thoughts lead to intention and action. 2:284 is actually talking about deception, but either way I am all over this and you cannot respond.
Its not always necessary that mere thoughts lead to actions and hence one shouldn’t be punished for mere thoughts even if the person doesn’t banish his thoughts. For e,g I fall in love with neighbors wife and I know that I cant stop loving her. Its beyond my control so should I be punished for the same even when I haven’t acted upon those intentions and commit any crime? The answer is ofcourse no!