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Myxtic vs. Winston | Prophet Muhammad & Hazrat Ayesha

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:36 am
by Myxtic
i hope that the mods will play their role in maintaining this thread as a 1 on 1 debate



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People try to prove Prophet Muhammad to (naauzubillah) be a pedophile/child rapist by quoting such ahadith :


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.


Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:

Narrated Hisham's father:
he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.



just this ONE FACT ALONE is quite enough to answer these non-sense charges :

IMAGINE !! a child who was abused (naauzubillah), going on to become the person to have "MEMORIZED" more than 2000 AHADIS of the same person who abused her !! :wink:




still i shall answer in detail ...

my rebuttal comprising of 2 sections :


Section A : Refuting the Filthy Pedophilia Charge

1) Definition of Pedophilia a/c to American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual

2) Had Hazrat Ayesha Attained Puberty ??




Section B : Analyzing the Morality of Their Relationship

3) Is Marrying a Post-Pubescent Girl Immoral ??

4) A Few Well-Known Characteristics of Child Abusers

5) Can Prophet Muhammad be (naauzubillah) Called as a "CHILD ABUSER / CHILD RAPIST" ??

6) Can Hazrat Ayesha be (naauzubillah) Called as an "ABUSED CHILD" ??



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Re: Myxtic vs. Winston | Prophet Muhammad & Hazrat Ayesha

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:39 am
by Myxtic
Section A : Refuting the Filthy Pedophilia Charge


1) Definition of Pedophilia a/c to American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual

a/c to American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Pedophilia is :

"n. recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors involving sexual activity with a PREPUBESCENT child"
http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/cloud_ped_time.htm



"Pedophilia is considered a paraphilia, an abnormal or unnatural attraction. Pedophilia is defined as the fantasy or act of sexual activity with PREPUBESCENT children."
http://psychologytoday.com/conditions/pedophilia.html


the definitions mention 'PRE-PUBESCENT' children ...





2) Had Hazrat Ayesha Attained Puberty ??


Point # 1

Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Kitab al-Nikah, Hadith no. 1027 :

وقد ‏ ‏قالت ‏ ‏عائشة ‏ ‏إذا بلغت ‏ ‏الجارية ‏ ‏تسع سنين فهي امرأة


Hazrat Ayesha said,"When the girl reaches nine years of age, she is a woman."



obviously Hazrat Ayesha is referring to herself as a woman, at the time of her marriage :wink:



Point # 2

we know none of the Arabs ever raised this issue against Prophet Muhammad ...

as it was a costum then to marry girls after their puberty/menstrual cycle ...



Point # 3

what was Prophet Muhammad waiting for 3 years after the nikah ... ??

ofcourse he wanted Hazrat Ayesha to attain puberty ....



Point # 4

it is not rare/abnormal for the girls to attain puberty around 7 or 8 years ...




Conclusion :

since Hazrat Ayesha was NOT 'PRE-PUBESCENT' ...

hence PROPHET MUHAMMAD can never be regarded as (naauzubillah) a pedophile ... :P



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Re: Myxtic vs. Winston | Prophet Muhammad & Hazrat Ayesha

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:42 am
by Myxtic
Section B : Analyzing the Morality of Their Relationship

3) Is Marrying a Post-Pubescent Girl Immoral ??


lets see what puberty/menstruation is ....


"menstruation may be referred to as the symbolic and diagnostic attainment of puberty"
http://www.evemedic.com/menstruation.html



"In this way a girl starts her next phase of woman hood. It is this period when menstruation starts and marks the beginning of the reproduction cycle in her life"
http://ayushveda.com/homeremedies/menstruation.htm


"On reaching menstruation cycle a woman’s body becomes mature and capable of bearing a child."
http://www.evemedic.com/menstruation.html



now a girl who has attained puberty/menses is a girl who ;

1) is sexually mature

2) has entered the phase of woman-hood

3) is fit for bearing a child


isnt such a girl fit for marriage .... ??

without getting emotional :wink:

tell me, which law of morality is being defied here ... ??







4) A Few Well-Known Characteristics of Child Abusers/Rapists

let us have a look at a few of the characteristics of child abusers/rapists which everyone agrees to .....


>> Child rapists want VIRGINS, NOT WIDOWS :lol:


>> A Child rapist has a desire for CHILDREN, NOT WOMEN EVEN OLDER THAN HIMSELF


>> Child rapists dont send marriage proposals to their targets, they bang them and leave them devastated mentally for their entire life


>> A Child rapist's character would never be praised by his victim !! :tongueout:


>> Even if a Child rapist marries his target, he wouldnt wait for 3 years before bringing that girl to his house !!


>> Child rapists dont live with their victims as husbands for a span as elongated as 9 years !!





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Re: Myxtic vs. Winston | Prophet Muhammad & Hazrat Ayesha

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:48 am
by Myxtic
5) Can Prophet Muhammad be (naauzubillah) Called as a 'CHILD ABUSER / CHILD RAPIST' ??

if we assume for the sake of argument only that Prophet Muhammad was (nauuzubillah) a child abuser/rapist, then ....



>> IMAGINE !! (naauzubillah) a 'child rapist' marrying widows and women much older than himself (Hazrat Khadija & Hazrat Sauda)


>> IMAGINE !! (naauzubillah) a 'child rapist' marrying only one virgin !! (i.e Hazrat Ayesha was the ONLY virgin wife of Prophet Muhammad)


>> Jubair ibn Mut`am was another man who proposed Hazrat Ayesha for marriage, was he too a child rapist ??


>> IMAGINE !! child rapists formally sending proposals for marriage !!


>> IMAGINE !! (naauzubillah) a child rapist marrying his target and living with her till his death i.e for 9 years !! (SAHIH BUKHARI, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64)


>> Hazrat Ayesha, after her nikah at the age of 6, entered Prophet Muhammad's house when she was 9 i.e after 3 years .... now what was Prophet Muhammad waiting for if he really was (naauzubillah) a child rapist ?? (SAHIH MUSLIM, Book 008, Number 3310)


>> IMAGINE !! a child rapist (naauzubillah) waiting for 3 years to get his hands on his desired girl, although she is legal unto him through nikah :lol:


>> No pagan of Makkah ever raised this issue against Prophet Muhammad when they opposed him then




that proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the charge itself is baseless ...







6) Can Hazrat Ayesha be (naauzubillah) Called as an "ABUSED CHILD"

and again if we assume for the sake of argument only that Hazrat Ayesha really (naauzubillah) was an abused child, then ...


>> If (naauzubillah) Hazrat Ayesha had become a victim of sexual abuse she would have been devastated emotionally, psychologically and mentally, but she went on to become one of the intellectual giants of Islam !!


>> IMAGINE !! a child who was abused (naauzubillah) raped, getting jealous :shock: of 'another wife' (Hazrat Khadija) of the same person who abused her (SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 7, Book 62, Number 156)


>> IMAGINE !! a child who was abused (naauzubillah) raped going on to become the person to have "MEMORIZED" more than 2000 AHADIS of the same person who abused her !!


>> IMAGINE !! a child who was abused (naauzubillah) raped planning out of jealousy, against 'another wife' (Hazrat Zainab) of the same person who abused her (SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 7, Book 63, Number 192)


>> IMAGINE !! a child who was abused (naauzubillah) raped saying this about the person who abused her "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could." (SAHIH BUKHARI, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299) :P


>> If indeed the marriage of Hazrat Aisha was something which was despicable why did the Muslims not make any efforts to conceal or cloud it ... ??






so if Hazrat Ayesha was not an abused child how could Prophet Muhammad have been a child abuser (naauzubillah)



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Re: Myxtic vs. Winston | Prophet Muhammad & Hazrat Ayesha

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:57 am
by Myxtic
Conclusion :

Hence there is substantial evidence above to debunk the filthy allegations ...

i would end my rebuttal with the following quote :


"Of all the world's greatest men none has been so much maligned as Muhammad."

(W Montgomery Watt, Muhammad At Medina, 1956, Oxford At The Clarendon Press, p. 324.)



thanxXx ... !! :)

Re: Myxtic vs. Winston | Prophet Muhammad & Hazrat Ayesha

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:18 pm
by winston
Thanks for your opening post, I will reply properly as time permits,

Winston

Re: Myxtic vs. Winston | Prophet Muhammad & Hazrat Ayesha

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:24 pm
by Myxtic
winston wrote:Thanks for your opening post,


you are ever welcome ...




winston wrote:I will reply properly as time permits,

Winston


okieZz ...

i await your response ...



Myxtic