We oppose Islam, not Muslims. We are against hate, not faith
by kaimana1 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:11 pm
You gotta check out my stuff kai
Anyways hit me up with an email once you have replied.
by monotheism » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:37 am
Mono... mo knew what he called "the nasara" had the injeel and the torah. Not once did he or his quran say the torah was corrupted much less by the Pharisees.
The quran is NOT clear on many issues my dear mono whether in Arabic or English. Iv'e learned quite a bit over the years mono.
You miss the point - why would ghandi transport himself to 1000 bc Israel to worship khrishna?
Because you don't want to.
You mean the corrupted jewish view mono. Hmmm
Are you kidding me mono??? that was a god awful example
Dhul-kifl has no correlation with the name Ezekiel whatsoever mono- while many mufassir believed dhul khifl was Ezekiel - some were not sure- some believe it was Obadiah and I believe al- qutba believed it was Isaiah (ahmadis believe dhul khifl was Siddhartha Gautama) The word in Arabic that corresponds to Ezekiel is HIZ'QUL- that is why there is so much confusion about dhil khufl mono-because it doesn't correspond in any way to Ezekiel .
As for Mahomet that is the Turkish pronounciation of mo simple as that- those Barbary pirates in Libya and Algeria were vassals of the ottomans- so when American diplomats referred to muslims and Muhammad they woulkd use Turkish pronounciation.
Lastly, didn't you know that many muslims at that time would call themselves muhammadens?
Was this prophet joseph smith using Turkish pronounciation??
answered you above
You are attacking strawman here mono I didn't make that argument. And you are going to tell me there is no YOD in Hebrew. maybe you meant there is no y or j in koine greek which is true- that is why they used iesous for jesus
in any case yasu or yeshua certainly is the correct pronounciatian -greek and English are NOT semetic languages so the differences will be more glaring.
Mo is not a derogatory term- are you monotheistic to Muhammad or allah perhaps they are one in the same.?
That depends on how you selectively quote paul and jesus on various issues
The quran contradicts the torah and gospel even plenty of hades for that matter
It doesn't matter mono. the concept of jesus the messiah born to a virgin comes from the Christians and there injeel
did you read that link I provided by professor Abdullah saeed? anyways
That is talking about 2:79
Lets emphacize on ibn abbas tafsir on 5:68
Theres many more but
The quran alludes to their present scripture repeatedly mono.
Most Christians believe it is a parallel prophecy regarding the 2nd temple destruction of Jerusalem and the end times.
So allegedly adam who was supposedly kicked down from paradise in heaven to earth because he disobeyed is sent down to earth as punishment along with his offspring to be was suddenly made a prophet?
His sexism which is so abundant in the muslim world and the quran and hades - get real mono also, what is up with paul giving timothy a good time- getting circumcised is a good time?? are you for real mono?
yes im saying that Muhammad heard some of the jewish scribes refer to ezra as banu messenger.... and mo thought they were saying ibnu or son of
It says nasara for Christian not ebionite- so how do you know waraqa was an ebionite?
It doesn't matter because they had their gospel which many experts believe was the gospel of matthew.
or the gospel which contained all four in one.
The gospel of the Hebrews and Nazarenes mentioned that jesus was baptized by john the Baptist. islam doesn't even recognize baptism. Nestorians were somewhat common in Arabia at that time they adhere to the peshitta. so prove that waraqa was NOT a nestorian
That makes sense that the copts would use a word derived from the greek to use for the gospel. what I was saying was why not use the Arabic equivelant of the Aramaic ha bishara for the gospel?
You?? You mean shabir ally? well Christians made their 101 contradictions cleared up- anyways the thirty gospels have you seen them ? like the gospel of Thomas which says jesus was GOD in those words as well as many others. If I was a Trinitarian in those days I would have made sure those gospels were canonized. but they didn't mono.
Really so you have become an ibn abbas fan?
If vague is clear then sure
Abdullah smith who got crushed about his jesus had female breasts article???? LOL
Did you see the context of why sam was saying that? go back and look.
Nadir is like that with anyone he talks to. he is a very manipulative personality did you see him crop that video about the rationalizer saying Muhammad prophecied correctly?
LMAO I suggest you go to the jinn and tonic show and check out the unedited version.
Havent I explained this to you before? 1 john 5:7 was not in ANY original mss it was obviously a confusion of a footnote from Athanasius being mistaken as part of the verse.
Those nuts are not mainstream Christians mono, not even marginal read the verses it says everything I portrayed. you don't put god to the test that is Christianity 101
No they are not mono- moiz amjad obviously knows nothing of hadith- there are numerous chains directly from Aisha through mecca and medina and Palestine even.
No it came from shia accusations of sunnis.
HMMM NO
3:93-94
The bible is al kitab so mono I guess that sadistic monster god is going to burn you forever and ever for refusing to believe in ALL his books.
In the Arabic sense they were mono yes. the sons of Israel included yehuud mono.
so you are saying you will not believe in jesus shortly???
by monotheism » Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:04 pm
Okay so you believe god put someone in jesus place to suffer?
Because the councils knew they were not written by the claimed author.
He believed that the earlier books became corrupted after Muhammad of course without any evidence.
all of those books were included in the peshitta by 200 years before mo
Christian simply means follower of Christ which in turn means messiah hence AL masihi
Constantine claimed to be a Christian.
whats with this smokescreen mono? didn't you know that Constantine became an arian Christian after council of nicea? I never believed the Pharisees believed in trinity. they didn't even believe jesus was the messiah.
HMMM???
Yes but not THE messiah as your quran agrees with was jesus.
Ah yes the context . Its talking about Christians who become muslims im glad you saved me from digging up those tafsir.
I hope the muslim claiming to be joseph the Yemeni jew isn't acting in this one LMAO
Mono obviously we are going in circles on this I am in no mood to explain that to you again.
It says some jews.
why would he?
Rather you should say when you are READY to accept the evidence.
Average?? Yeah I agree Hezbollah has turned southern Beirut into an oppressive hell hole.
BS mono a couple of years ago I was on one of his websites it was jihad deluxe. why do you think he moved to yemen?
Wrong ive already showed you why?
Please post the verse
Enlighten me?
No they don't
That story is disputed but yeah the very same ibn ishaq that is also a major basis of the sealed nectar.
IDK but what I do know is that naik is a fraud he will debate little know Christian pastors in india where 300 people don't even know. but he wont debate sam shamoun who is far more well known.
What question?
I quit going there two years ago I was getting booted off too much .
As for the videos you posted of that Filipino catholic sect that nails themselves to crosses as nutty as it is they do that on their own accord. there is no evidence of them hurting anyone outside of their sect. and they get proselytized all the time by other Christians. so why would they not accept it by muslims. its nothing like the treatment ahmadiyas get in Indonesia by sunnis.
if you accept that argument. then you must accept the argument that moses and Muhammad grew man BOOBS according to the quran
by kaimana1 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:54 pm
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (S Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
And Did you forget this hadith mono?LV. The words of Allah Almighty, "It is indeed a Glorious Qur'an preserved on a Tablet." (85:21-22)
"By the Mount and an Inscribed Book" (52:1-2): Qatada said that "mastur" means "written". "Yasturun" (68:1) means "they inscribe", and the Umm al-Kitab (43:4) is the whole of the Qur'an and its source. [He said that] "ma talfizu" (50:18) means: "He does not say anything but that it is written against him." Ibn 'Abbas said, "Both good and evil are recorded," and "yuharrufuna" (4:46) means "they remove". No one removes the works [sic] of one of the Books of Allah Almighty, but they twist them, interpreting them improperly. "Dirasatihim: (6:156) means "their recitation" "Wa'iyya" (69:12) is preserving, "ta'iha" (69:12) means to "preserve it". "This Qur'an has been revealed to me by inspiration that I may warn you," meaning the people of Makka, "and all whom it reaches"(6:19) meaning this Qur'an, so he is its warner.
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the GOSPELS in Arabic ... (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 605)
Its not clear to you because you wear the ignorance glasses when you read it.
Its an exampel kai. Im sure polytheists existed and where killed under Solomon or Davids rule.
I agree some say Isaiah other Ezekiel
Turks had alot of ponounciation the Muhammad that conquered constantinople was caled Mahmed.
they still do today kai.
Ohh?
Not really attacking a strawman Jesus spoke Aramaic and most likely had an Aramaic name. In Aramaic Eesho would be Eesa in some dialect.
Can you bring me some historical evidence his name was in Yeshua?
No not really. If you dont twist any verses and read them as there written you will see clear contradictions. No wonder the epistle where written before the Gospels, the epistle where spread untill Marcion who is labeled as a gnoustic by many churches collected the epistle and made a canon.
The Gospel doesnt exist as a scripture and the toah is corrupted.
It can be seen historical and not as a Christian invention from an Islamic pov. Its a matter of faith.
I dont remember, but how is that relevant what 1 muslim says? Thats like apposing the belief of some Rabbis about Muhammad being a prophet on all Jews.
Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi
(Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, “This is from Allah”…) [2:79]. This was revealed about those who had changed the description of the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, and altered his traits. Al-Kalbi mentioned, through the above-mentioned chain of transmission: “They had changed the description of Allah’s Messenger, Allah bless him and give him peace, in their Scripture. They made him white and tall while the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, was brown and of medium height. They had said to their followers and companions: ‘Look at the description of the prophet who will be sent at the end of time; his description does not match that of this [man]’. The Jewish rabbis and doctors used to gain some worldly benefits from the Jewish people and so they were afraid of losing this gain if they were ever to show the real description. It is for this reason that they had changed it”.
Can you show me the description in the Torah kai? If you cant than the Torah is corrupted by usin the logic from the tafsir about the description.
They can use the book even if its corrupted kai like the laws in the torah about stonning.
Since that one didnt do bring the many other.
Yes and it being corrupted.
Thats how christians try to answer it other say its talking about a future generation the truth is its an epic fail and a failed prophecy. unless you go as far fetched as chistians do.
Why is Allah called al rahman al rahim? Mankind makes mistakes.
Those are factors and if it leads a Bishop like Spong to belive it than thats good enough to raise some eye browns.
(And the Jews) the Jews of Medina (say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians) the Christians of Najran (say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths) with their tongues. (They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old) before them, i.e. the disbelievers of Mecca who said that al-Lat, al-'Uzza and Manat were His daughters, just as the Jews claimed that Ezra was the son of Allah and some of the Christians claimed that Jesus was the son of Allah, others that he was Allah's partner while there were others who said that he was Allah Himself or one god among three. (Allah (Himself) fights against them) Allah curses them. (How perverse are they!) from where do they get their lies?
I got it from Encylopedia of Islam. It makes good sense. More sense then him being an Arian or Nestorian.
Based on papias Matthew and Irenaeus was writte in Hebrew. Based on Eusebius of Caesarea the ebionites used Gospel of the Hebrews.
You mean matthew was originally written in hebrew? That was disputed back then- iraneus believed the gospel of hebrews was matthew. Either way the ebionites used one gospel account.
The ebionites had gospel of matthew in hebrew which is different from the Greek one as ebionites reject the vigin birth and Matthew contradicts the Ebionite belief.No scholar would make this dumb claim kai. He must be mentaly retarded to think the ebionites would accept the filty gospel of john.We have learned from none others the plan of salvation, than from those through whom THE GOSPEL has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith. For it is unlawful to assert that they preached before they possessed ‘perfect knowledge,’ as some do even venture to say, boasting themselves as improvers of the apostles. For, after our Lord rose from the dead, [the apostles] were invested with power from on high when the Holy Spirit came [upon them], were filled from all [His gifts], and had perfect knowledge: they departed to the ends of the earth, preaching the glad tidings of the good things [sent] from God to us, and proclaiming peace of heaven to men, who indeed do all equally and individually POSSESS THE GOSPEL OF GOD. Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book THE GOSPEL preached by him. Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord, who also leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia. ANF, Vol. 1, Against Heresies 3.1.1. (David T. King and William Webster, Holy Scriptures, The Ground and Pillar of Our Faith, Volume III, The Writings of the Church Fathers Affirming the Reformation Principle of Sola Scriptura [Christian Resources - 1505 NW 4th Avenue - BattleGround, WA 98604], p. 17Bahira the monk saw the description of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) in the christian book if he refered to the peshitta or not that would proof that the canon they had in Aabia was different then those that followed the nicean creed had.
That amounts to no proof whatsoever.. that was muslim wishful thinking.
That proves nothing whatsoever- Of course in greek gospel is evangelion .
I am saying that the quranic word injeel comes from that greek word
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saysإنّ كلمة الأناجيل كلمة يونانية تعني الخبر السار
The word Anajeel [lit. Gospels; Anajeel is the plural form of the singular Injeel] is a Greek word which means "good news".Just like Mormons cleared up the failed prophecies of Joseph Smith? No i dont think so. The poor answers christians gave to most of them where laugheble.
Not as laughable as muslims clearing up contradictions and errors in the quranim a fan of many tafsirs.
HmmmCrushed? Katz only answer was bring a text from Homer containing the word Mazon not even in the form as in rev 1:13 mastoi. Abdullah Smith beheaded Katz in his rebutal.
Not really, all abdullah did was come up with a theory about revelation being inclusive of all sexes. did you catch that bassam zawadi agreed with katz about the passage about breasts? Basam made a dunce of himself when he ignored katz footnote explaining that he only used the allah was enlarging moses and muhammads breasts to show that you could use the same words for it. using abdullahs logic. bassam didnt read that- and wasted two articles about it. LOLSam Shamoun is an dishonest moron who mostly bases his hate on Islam because of his bad experiance as a member of the nation of Islam.
He was never a member of NOI he almost became one but he didnt. It could be his experience with many muslims threatening his wife etc...1 verse=corruption Kai there not but it was from a this and maybe the scribe included that.
That is not corruption when it is caught."All scripture is given by inspiration of God." (2 Timothy 3:16)
"As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless...." (2 Samuel 22:31)
"And the words of the LORD are flawless...." (Psalm 12:6)
"As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless...." (Psalm 18:30)
"Every word of God is flawless...." (Proverbs 30:5)
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
(1 Corinthians 14:33)
Mark 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;
Where does it say Apostles/Deciples can you show me?
Verse 14 says jesus went before the eleven those were jesus apostles mono. It isnt confusing actually, some will get bitten by snakes and not be hurt. Have you heard of miracles mono?
The quran believes it.Ok kai bring me some exampels.I do accept the hadith regardless if its from Iraq or not im just showing its problematic.
They are mutawatir or mass-transmitted mono
Aishah → Al-Aswad → Ibraheem → Al-A’amash→ Abu Mua’awiyah → Yahya ibn
Yahya, Ishaaq ibn Ibraheem, Abu Bakr ibn Abee Shaibah and Abu Kuraib → Muslim
Aishah ( رضي الله عنها ) narrated that the Messenger of Allah () married her when she
was six years old and lived with her when she was nine years old and he died when
she was eighteen years old
That is in muslims sahih did you notice hisham ibn urwa is not in the chain
Here are some in abu dawoods sunan
Aishah → Yahya (ibn Abdur Rahmaan ibn Haatib) → Muhammad (ibn Amr) → the
father of U’baidullah ibn Muadh → Ubaidullah ibn Muadh → Abu Dawood
Yahya (ibn Abdur Rahman ibn Haatib) narrated that Aishah ( رضي الله عنها ) said: “I
came to Madeenah and resided at (the house of) Bani Al-Harith ibn Al-Khazraj.”
Then she (Aishah) said: “By Allah, I was playing on a swing that was tied between
two palm trees. At the time, my hair reached my ears. So my mother came and took
me down from the swing and took me, so they fixed me (beautified me and dressed me
in proper clothing) then sent me to the Prophet () who then consummated the
marriage while I was nine years old.”
No hisham ibn urwa
also from abu dawoods sunan
Aishah → Abu Salamah ibn Abdur Rahman → Muhammad ibn Ibraheem → I’mara
ibn Ghazya → Yahya ibn Ayub → the paternal uncle of Ahmad ibn Sa’d ibn Al-
Hakam ibn Abee Maryam → Ahmad ibn Sa’d ibn Al-Hakam ibn Abee Maryam →
An-Nasaaee
Abu Salama Bin Abdulrahman narrated from Aishah ( رضي الله عنها ) that the Messenger
of Allah () married her when she was six years old and lived with her when she was nine
years old.
That is just a couple also hisham ibn urwa related the hadith to several madinah scholars before he had any memory lossShias are worse then the Christians kai.
Really?So decide does the Talmud or the Tosafots mention jesus or not?
They mention yeshua FOR SURE - but it is hard to determine which ones were refering to the messiah-3:93-94Can you show me the word kitab in sura 3:93-94?
كُلُّ ٱلطَّعَامِ ڪَانَ حِلاًّ۬ لِّبَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلَ إِلَّا مَا حَرَّمَ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلُ عَلَىٰ نَفۡسِهِۦ مِن قَبۡلِ أَن تُنَزَّلَ ٱلتَّوۡرَٮٰةُۗ قُلۡ فَأۡتُواْ بِٱلتَّوۡرَٮٰةِ فَٱتۡلُوهَآ إِن كُنتُمۡ صَـٰدِقِينَ
ٱلتَّوۡرَٮٰةُۗ is Taurat meaning the Torah not al Kitab.
I know mono - you said torah was corrupted the verse proves it wasnt.
Anyways do i really have to show you how many times kitab is used - i know you know what i am referring to why are you playing this game?when did the term Jew come kai?
800 after Moses?
by kaimana1 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:03 pm
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