Mono... mo knew what he called "the nasara" had the injeel and the torah. Not once did he or his quran say the torah was corrupted much less by the Pharisees.
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (S Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
The quran is NOT clear on many issues my dear mono whether in Arabic or English. Iv'e learned quite a bit over the years mono.
Its not clear to you because you wear the ignorance glasses when you read it.
You miss the point - why would ghandi transport himself to 1000 bc Israel to worship khrishna?
Its an exampel kai. Im sure polytheists existed and where killed under Solomon or Davids rule.
Because you don't want to.
You mean the corrupted jewish view mono. Hmmm
its the jewish view kai.
Are you kidding me mono??? that was a god awful example
Dhul-kifl has no correlation with the name Ezekiel whatsoever mono- while many mufassir believed dhul khifl was Ezekiel - some were not sure- some believe it was Obadiah and I believe al- qutba believed it was Isaiah (ahmadis believe dhul khifl was Siddhartha Gautama) The word in Arabic that corresponds to Ezekiel is HIZ'QUL- that is why there is so much confusion about dhil khufl mono-because it doesn't correspond in any way to Ezekiel .
As for Mahomet that is the Turkish pronounciation of mo simple as that- those Barbary pirates in Libya and Algeria were vassals of the ottomans- so when American diplomats referred to muslims and Muhammad they woulkd use Turkish pronounciation.
I agree some say Isaiah other Ezekiel
Turks had alot of ponounciation the Muhammad that conquered constantinople was caled Mahmed.
Lastly, didn't you know that many muslims at that time would call themselves muhammadens?
they still do today kai.
Was this prophet joseph smith using Turkish pronounciation??
Joseph Smith is not a prophet he did use the term Mahomet yes.
answered you above
You are attacking strawman here mono I didn't make that argument. And you are going to tell me there is no YOD in Hebrew. maybe you meant there is no y or j in koine greek which is true- that is why they used iesous for jesus
Not really attacking a strawman Jesus spoke Aramaic and most likely had an Aramaic name. In Aramaic Eesho would be Eesa in some dialect.
in any case yasu or yeshua certainly is the correct pronounciatian -greek and English are NOT semetic languages so the differences will be more glaring.
Can you bring me some historical evidence his name was in Yeshua?
Mo is not a derogatory term- are you monotheistic to Muhammad or allah perhaps they are one in the same.?
That depends on how you selectively quote paul and jesus on various issues
No not really. If you dont twist any verses and read them as there written you will see clear contradictions. No wonder the epistle where written before the Gospels, the epistle where spread untill Marcion who is labeled as a gnoustic by many churches collected the epistle and made a canon.
The quran contradicts the torah and gospel even plenty of hades for that matter
The Gospel doesnt exist as a scripture and the toah is corrupted.
It doesn't matter mono. the concept of jesus the messiah born to a virgin comes from the Christians and there injeel
It can be seen historical and not as a Christian invention from an Islamic pov. Its a matter of faith.
did you read that link I provided by professor Abdullah saeed? anyways
I dont remember, but how is that relevant what 1 muslim says? Thats like apposing the belief of some Rabbis about Muhammad being a prophet on all Jews.
That is talking about 2:79
Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi
(Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, “This is from Allah”…) [2:79]. This was revealed about those who had changed the description of the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, and altered his traits. Al-Kalbi mentioned, through the above-mentioned chain of transmission: “They had changed the description of Allah’s Messenger, Allah bless him and give him peace, in their Scripture. They made him white and tall while the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, was brown and of medium height. They had said to their followers and companions: ‘Look at the description of the prophet who will be sent at the end of time; his description does not match that of this [man]
’. The Jewish rabbis and doctors used to gain some worldly benefits from the Jewish people and so they were afraid of losing this gain if they were ever to show the real description. It is for this reason that they had changed it”.
Can you show me the description in the Torah kai? If you cant than the Torah is corrupted by usin the logic from the tafsir about the description.
Lets emphacize on ibn abbas tafsir on 5:68
They can use the book even if its corrupted kai like the laws in the torah about stonning.
Theres many more but
Since that one didnt do bring the many other.
The quran alludes to their present scripture repeatedly mono.
Yes and it being corrupted.
Most Christians believe it is a parallel prophecy regarding the 2nd temple destruction of Jerusalem and the end times.
Thats how christians try to answer it other say its talking about a future generation the truth is its an epic fail and a failed prophecy. unless you go as far fetched as chistians do.
So allegedly adam who was supposedly kicked down from paradise in heaven to earth because he disobeyed is sent down to earth as punishment along with his offspring to be was suddenly made a prophet?
Why is Allah called al rahman al rahim? Mankind makes mistakes.
His sexism which is so abundant in the muslim world and the quran and hades - get real mono also, what is up with paul giving timothy a good time- getting circumcised is a good time?? are you for real mono?
Those are factors and if it leads a Bishop like Spong to belive it than thats good enough to raise some eye browns.
(And the Jews) the Jews of Medina
yes im saying that Muhammad heard some of the jewish scribes refer to ezra as banu messenger.... and mo thought they were saying ibnu or son of
(say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians) the Christians of Najran (say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths) with their tongues. (They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old) before them, i.e. the disbelievers of Mecca who said that al-Lat, al-'Uzza and Manat were His daughters, just as the Jews claimed that Ezra was the son of Allah and some of the Christians claimed that Jesus was the son of Allah, others that he was Allah's partner while there were others who said that he was Allah Himself or one god among three. (Allah (Himself) fights against them) Allah curses them. (How perverse are they!) from where do they get their lies?
I belief other held the view that Ezra was the messiah.
It says nasara for Christian not ebionite- so how do you know waraqa was an ebionite?
I got it from Encylopedia of Islam. It makes good sense. More sense then him being an Arian or Nestorian.
It doesn't matter because they had their gospel which many experts believe was the gospel of matthew.
Based on papias Matthew and Irenaeus was writte in Hebrew. Based on Eusebius of Caesarea the ebionites used Gospel of the Hebrews.
The ebionites had gospel of matthew in hebrew which is different from the Greek one as ebionites reject the vigin birth and Matthew contradicts the Ebionite belief.
or the gospel which contained all four in one.
No scholar would make this dumb claim kai. He must be mentaly retarded to think the ebionites would accept the filty gospel of john.
The gospel of the Hebrews and Nazarenes mentioned that jesus was baptized by john the Baptist. islam doesn't even recognize baptism. Nestorians were somewhat common in Arabia at that time they adhere to the peshitta. so prove that waraqa was NOT a nestorian
Bahira the monk saw the description of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) in the christian book if he refered to the peshitta or not that would proof that the canon they had in Aabia was different then those that followed the nicean creed had.
That makes sense that the copts would use a word derived from the greek to use for the gospel. what I was saying was why not use the Arabic equivelant of the Aramaic ha bishara for the gospel?
You?? You mean shabir ally? well Christians made their 101 contradictions cleared up- anyways the thirty gospels have you seen them ? like the gospel of Thomas which says jesus was GOD in those words as well as many others. If I was a Trinitarian in those days I would have made sure those gospels were canonized. but they didn't mono.
Just like Mormons cleared up the failed prophecies of Joseph Smith? No i dont think so. The poor answers christians gave to most of them where laugheble.
Really so you have become an ibn abbas fan?
im a fan of many tafsirs.
If vague is clear then sure
Come on kai be respect full.
Abdullah smith who got crushed about his jesus had female breasts article???? LOL
Crushed? Katz only answer was bring a text from Homer containing the word Mazon not even in the form as in rev 1:13 mastoi. Abdullah Smith beheaded Katz in his rebutal.
Did you see the context of why sam was saying that? go back and look.
Did you ead the other Hadith concering that event that used different arabic words?
“Don't trouble me regarding 'Aisha, for by Allah, the Divine Inspiration never came to me while I was under the blanket of any woman amongst you except her." (Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 3491)
Sam Shamoun is an dishonest moron who mostly bases his hate on Islam because of his bad experiance as a member of the nation of Islam.
Nadir is like that with anyone he talks to. he is a very manipulative personality did you see him crop that video about the rationalizer saying Muhammad prophecied correctly?
LMAO I suggest you go to the jinn and tonic show and check out the unedited version.
Watched the video yeah. Not really a fan of atheists.
Havent I explained this to you before? 1 john 5:7 was not in ANY original mss it was obviously a confusion of a footnote from Athanasius being mistaken as part of the verse.
1 verse=corruption Kai there not but it was from a this and maybe the scribe included that.
Those nuts are not mainstream Christians mono, not even marginal read the verses it says everything I portrayed. you don't put god to the test that is Christianity 101
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God." (2 Timothy 3:16)
"As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless...." (2 Samuel 22:31)
"And the words of the LORD are flawless...." (Psalm 12:6)
"As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless...." (Psalm 18:30)
"Every word of God is flawless...." (Proverbs 30:5)
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
(1 Corinthians 14:33)
Mark 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe
: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;
Where does it say Apostles/Deciples can you show me?
No they are not mono- moiz amjad obviously knows nothing of hadith- there are numerous chains directly from Aisha through mecca and medina and Palestine even.
Ok kai bring me some exampels.I do accept the hadith regardless if its from Iraq or not im just showing its problematic.
No it came from shia accusations of sunnis.
Shias are worse then the Christians kai.
So decide does the Talmud or the Tosafots mention jesus or not?
The bible is al kitab so mono I guess that sadistic monster god is going to burn you forever and ever for refusing to believe in ALL his books.
Can you show me the word kitab in sura 3:93-94?
كُلُّ ٱلطَّعَامِ ڪَانَ حِلاًّ۬ لِّبَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلَ إِلَّا مَا حَرَّمَ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلُ عَلَىٰ نَفۡسِهِۦ مِن قَبۡلِ أَن تُنَزَّلَ ٱلتَّوۡرَٮٰةُۗ قُلۡ فَأۡتُواْ بِٱلتَّوۡرَٮٰةِ فَٱتۡلُوهَآ إِن كُنتُمۡ صَـٰدِقِينَ
ٱلتَّوۡرَٮٰةُۗ is Taurat meaning the Torah not al Kitab.
In the Arabic sense they were mono yes. the sons of Israel included yehuud mono.
when did the term Jew come kai?
800 after Moses?
so you are saying you will not believe in jesus shortly???
come on kai.