A challenge to Ghaith on did muslims or qurysh draw first bloodRe: A challenge to Ghaith on did muslims or qurysh draw first blood
Ok Kai i am far from done i just could post Part 1 and Part 2 rebutal because i had other things to do 
Re: A challenge to Ghaith on did muslims or qurysh draw first blood
Why is that Kai? The 616 is more authentic than the sources for 666.
No dear kai. Its talking about Nero.
Be careful kai some Christians here might think that you are the anti christ.
This is why i insult Christians  Its impossible to make those Greek letters into Bismillah.
665.65 i belive. I guess no other measurement that Neutical Miles fitted.... Stupid Christians...
Enlighten me about this so called "wacko theories".
Eating dung is not chewing the Cud kai in any language 
What does this have anything to do with the case that Solomon could speak to ants?
Non sence as you would have put it.
And you call other people whacko. This is just some Christian BS the church put in there when compiling a book calling it Revelation.
Could you post some proof to this Kai?
John didnt write the revelation Kai There where prob some legends about Nero and the number 616 so the churche added that to the book aswell.
Yes they do kai Exodus, 1 2 Samuel and Jeremiah that where found in the forth cave showed that todays versions are indeed corrupted.
The firstone not the once that where reconstructed in the 16th century.
Enlighten me of the context.
Hahahahahahahahahaha  There is no Orthodox Muslim that accepts the Satanic Verse theory kai.
I posted above.
He just spend over half of his first 55 min debunking the embryology, mountain, sea barrier did you even watch the debate Kai????? It is William who didnt defend thebible instead started speaking about prophecies forgeting the topics. He got grilled.
THe older the wise eh Kai? Zakir Naik was 35 years old back then. More over it was an overkill, William didnt even answer 1 of Zakirs arguments. Dr Zakir naik refuted everything William talked about. No Christian has ever come close to Zakirs greatnes sin knowledge of religion. More over if William felt so old why did he debate him? Why didnt he send Sam Shamoun instead? Who looked like an idiot at 1:07:00 and im sure Naik wouldnt have minded it either after all Sam did debate Shabir in that same year.
No i dont think so Kai.
What what what?! Ive already posted a video refuting this. None of those clowns are big enough to debate Zakir Naik. Zakir said he doesnt debate someone that cannot provide 10k in audience. And as far as i know Ali Sina doesnt debate. And Ali Sina doesnt have any knowledge about Islam. For crying out loud he tought that Abu Bakr was the foster brother of Muhammad. As to your cute little link all that have been debunked answering-christianity. I can also play the link game Kai. http://www.answering-christianity.com/yahya_ahmed/dr_zakir_naik_rebuttal.htm Last edited by Ghaith on Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:54 am, edited 2 times in total.
Re: A challenge to Ghaith on did muslims or qurysh draw first blood
What year did Sami ask sam for help?
What year did Sami call sam Fatboy, Cross worshiper? So what is your point Kai? AC had war with ETT so Sami asked a Christian for help. Is this compareble to Sams foul mouth? More over AC are not debater on paltalk they are preachers. They convert people to Islam. They once converted a an entire Church. Sami, Osama, Nadir, Sam, Wood, Christian_Prince, are lone wolfs in Paltalk. When they have a debate if they feel they made an impact they post it on their website if not they dont. But i did enjoy a good laugh Kai When nadir said.
Hahahaha i enjoy this Kai im not biased.But Nadir have a ego why AC even takes him serious idk. Nadir is a clown kai ive already said that he is a child before.
I dont belive things based on documents but it wouldnt surprise me when he start talking about fights. But lets find the truth Kai.
Christian_prince do indeed run from Sami. Matter infact he runs from any fair debate and only debates in his own room. Also i dont know why AC wants Nadir to remove the debate. It never took place. http://www.examinethetruth.com/cp_debate.htm CP couldnt answer him he just brought some fabricated hadiths and Nadir keep talking about babies being killed. Here is the Christian foul mouthed clown nr 1 Christian prince.
Re: A challenge to Ghaith on did muslims or qurysh draw first blood
Christian clown nr 2 Sam Shamoun
Since you liked the subject of Muslims disagreeing lets have a look at Christians disagreeing.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sam_shamoun_is_despised.htm John Gilchrist who is held high in Answering-Islam http://answering-islam.org/authors/gilchrist.html From: "Yusuf Ismail" <ismaillaw@telkomsa.net> To: QuranSearchCom@yahoo.com Subject: FW: CHALLENGE TO A DEBATE-SOUTH AFRICA Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:11:35 +0200 Assalamualaikum Osama Abdallah I thought you would be interested in including this email in ur abusive email sections. I mailed a copy to Gilchrist in Benoni and he informed me that Sam Shamoun doesn't represent mainstream Christian thinking but fanaticism. Post this in the dumpster section. This man has diarrhea of his mouth. Nothing he says on his site is of any substance and judging by his emotionalism, bad grammar and response, maybe its not worth responding to debris. Based in South Africa, I am curious to know: has this sadist ever engaged in a public debate or does he confine his irrationality to abusive emails and poor writing? Salams -----Original Message----- From: sam shamoun [mailto:sam_shmn40@hotmail.com] Sent: 28 January 2007 21:15 To: ismaillaw@telkomsa.net Subject: RE: CHALLENGE TO A DEBATE-SOUTH AFRICA I would love nothing more than to destroy a bastard like yourself, not just your student. In fact, to make it fair I want to squash both you bastards. Instead of having me come there, set it up here in the USA with one of your terrorist orgnaizations so I can bury you with Deedat. Afterall, that fat demon Deedat didn't mind coming here so you should have no problem doing likewise so I can embarrass you and shw to the world it is your prophet who was a pervert. And I doubt you are a man to set it up here but I will wait. Bring your bite next time, not your bark. >From: "Yusuf Ismail" <ismaillaw@telkomsa.net> >To: <sam_shmn40@hotmail.com> >Subject: CHALLENGE TO A DEBATE-SOUTH AFRICA >Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:02:21 +0200 > > >My name is Yusuf Ismail and for a short period of time I was based at >the Islamic propagation Center International. I presently reside in >Durban, South Africa. Over the course of the years I have engaged >individuals such as John Gilchrist, David Foster and other individuals >who are not small time barkers such as yourself. > >I had the misfortune of recently seeing your abusive emails with Osama >Abdallah. There are in my opinion two reasons for your abuse. One being, >that you are an insecure imbecile and need to make a point. The other is >the shallowness of your thinking and failure to come to terms with the >irrationality of your perverted religion. One could go on speaking of >the filth that emanates from a book you consider to be "divine", but I >would rather deal with hardcore scholarly research. Have you for example studied the documentary hypothesis. You are therefore >invited to debate a student of mine, if you do not have cold-feet. > >We could make the flight arrangements and necessary trip to meet you if >you wish. However if you are feeling somewhat weak, we cold have an >internet debate. Judging by your writings and corrupted views, you might >bow down for the latter. > >Let me have your response. > >Yusuf Christian_Prince tells Sam to shut up. http://www.answering-christianity.com/cp_shutting_up_shamoun.mp3 Here a Email you didnt post Kai. RE: 'terror of the Lord'... and Shamoun won.. ooooooook.? From: sami z (sami-zaatari@hotmail.com) Sent: Sat 1/05/08 8:02 PM To: Nadir Ahmed (nadir@examinethetruth.com); tariqroshan@gmail.com
Seems like 2 years after Sam and Nadir became friends according to Sami? This is 2008 the emals you posted where 2006.
Re: A challenge to Ghaith on did muslims or qurysh draw first blood
Next you had on the list was David Wood who i showed above is a Liar. Here is a video he posted where he got arrested.
Re: A challenge to Ghaith on did muslims or qurysh draw first blood
That was the point of the injeel Ghaith
I know that- we know the quran is NoT clear
Only if he worshipped other gods inside israel Ghaith. if ghandi was a canaanite at that time then he wouldnt be mahatma ghandi.
You left out psalm 91 so you want to play the game of is osama twisting these verses or what?
well christians would use daniel 12:9 daniel chapter 9. Now Ghaith do you believe that jesus is coming ?
Or you mean to your distorted view of the tanakh?
You havent been able to prove that isa is jesus name- isa does not correspond with yeshua in any shape or form How do you know that mo wasnt confronted by a demon who called himself jibreel?
hmmm
The entire concept of jesus comes from the NT yos- let that sink in
So you believe the tanakh and the injeel are corrupted?? Check out this link Ghaith by professor abdullah saeed explaining in detail that the charges that most modern day muslims about the bible being corrupted are unfounded http://www.quranandinjil.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/The-Charge-of-Distortion-of-Jewish-and-Christian-Scriptures_Abdullah%20Saeed.pdf
So where is the real gospel Ghaith god says he protects his words - where are they?
Jesus said he came to fulfill the torah the prophets david is a prophet- any learned christian knows this- besides luke24:44 He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
again yes david is a prophet- the problem arises when you muslims consider adam and lot prophets.
Thats the point Ghaith i have as much evidence for bukhari being a homo as you do with paul being a homo
He wouldnt insist on it huh? how do you know that? its not like first century world was full of clinics Ghaith.
Exposed by fellow muslim worshippers?? gimme a break Ghaith hahaaa
Mo had a good relationship with all of the jews Ghaith UNTIL most of the jews rejected his prophethood
Thats right Ghaith mo would think the hebrew word banou was IBNU. got it?
They had the hebrew, aramaic (syriac)and greek not assyrian- Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3: Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write.
Ghaith you left out this part Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you So i khadijah a prophet?  . Yes there is a problem with the matn of the ahadith so that is when you have to check out the two isnads Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 478: Narrated Aisha: ...Waraqa had been converted to Christianity in the Pre-lslamic Period and used to write Arabic and write of the Gospel in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write... Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 605: Narrated 'Aisha: ... Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospels in Arabic ... Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111: Narrated 'Aisha: ... Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father's brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write." The isnad with arabic is FAR more stronger but even the one you displayed says the same thing except he wrote the gospel in hebrew Notice how they all say he became a christian??? Jews dont believe in gospel Ghaith.
They wouldnt have too as the peshitta was in existence- where does the word injil derive from Ghaith? al bishara would be a proper arabic word for the gospel but they used the word derived from the GREEK "
Hell is not in the verse yos- the nmeaning of the verses is incomplete without verse 20 Ghaith -verse 20 says " who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water" Jws and quite a few other christians believe those spirits refer to the fallen angels while other christians believe its referring to the souls of those that died during the flood
Notice how it says preach THE GOSPEL. thanks for bringing that verse up to prove that the gospels are ONE. Like i said Ghaith jesus was the gospel i told you this before. His disciples wrote the teachings of jesus down.
Me sweat??? Im insulted now
His tafsir regarding surah al anfal
Well the quran is UNCLEAR - ,
after shishak was crushed at carchemish nebuchadnezzar took the entire levant and judah as well...they also made egypt tributaory and henceforth nebu made egypt work for him by producing the tribute
Hmmm is that your OPINION ?
Osama dtill has ZERI knowledge and he LIES all the time yos- if he was capable of lying MULTIPLE TOMES about abualrab he went as far as making up emails claiming they were abualrabs with deth threats to himself. Gimme a break Ghaith Are you naive enough to believe that it took osama 8 or 9 years to understand that lying is wrong???? LOL and contrary to what he claims osama was losing alot of viewers and was under alot of pressure to issue that apology- he has lied about answering islam many times and he never retracted those statements.
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He didnt Ghaith samI set it up because he knew nadir wouldnt debate sam! sami kept it going to expose nadir .
After he has been proven a liar by sami and even osama you still think so??
You are most welcome! i cant wait till the day when you complete your apostacy and write articles against islam for iffo's new site.
The rashidun didnt think so. nor did the ummayads ,seljuks, rasulids safavids, ottomans or the moghuls etc....etc...
Audios??? are you serious Ghaith? so emails arent good enough Ghaith?
Nadir has been exposed and you still insist on taking him seriously? do you have any integrity Ghaith?
Okay http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/05/muslim-commenter-sinks-to-new-low.html A muslim made a threat to sam shamouns wife Ghaith. In order for that to happen sam would have to be married.
Is there really a context where a man in his 30-40s using the word Fag?
Yes indeed
Well you havent proven that beyond jimmy swaggart and anis which is unfair
That is twisting what james was saying.
Any christian knows this was refering to jesus disciples- You missed the part of verse that says they miraculously could speak in foreign tongues. why to spread the gospel and to testify that they had gods holy spirit as for handling snakes it isnt a test yos- it was merely telling how they would be protected any serious christian knows that you never put God to the test like that. If naik knew the bible so well he would have known that.
ergun caner is a fraud no doubt but lets go to your yahyah snow videos
That isnt lying yos- they took the fatwah seriously ? why should you be surprised yos- theres isnads of multiple hadees and sirat that say aisha was 9 when mo pierced her. So thighing a little girl wouldnt be surprising I agree that they jumped on it ill advised because even if an imam made such a fatwa- it does nothing to sunni islam as a whole with no hadees or fiqh to back it up. But yahyah snow actually lied here he said the fatwa was made up by a christian- without any proof- in fact i will show you where sam got it from http://www.islamic-fatwa.net/fatawa/index.php You want to tell me that is a christian site Ghaith??????? All yahyah had to do was go to sams article. Anyways i remember both times this was done the sunni imams pointed there fingers to shias making the fatwa up to make sunnis look bad.
What is there to defend
Are you joking Ghaith?
You still take nadir seriously Ghaith i will post a series of debates that nadir had with james white sam shamoun and david wood- and you tell me honestly who won? the muslims that were in the audience in all three of them walked out pissed off at nadir- i will show you.
So how is that proving him a liar Ghaith?
It is a crime indeed if the intent is malicious Ghaith.
That makes muhammad a clown then HA hAAA http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/05/muslim-commenter-sinks-to-new-low.html
Suree Ghaith ha haaa
Your claims are unfounded
Sure but this is so insincere anyone can tell.
Not really Ghaith
Because i already shown you why
Good god Ghaith
Nasara were the muslims Ghaith...that is what mo was alluding to.
Prove me wrong yos- what jews were using it at time of mamluks??
Dont you believe in swoon theory Ghaith?
Read that carefully Ghaith.
it wasnt a tree Ghaith. Prove the cross came 400 years later! romans executed pirates and others for treason on crosses or stakes Ancient Greek has two verbs for crucify: ana-stauro (ἀνασταυρόω), from stauros, "stake", and apo-tumpanizo (ἀποτυμπανίζω) "crucify on a plank
LOL and if you muslims dropped the crescent and venus symbol you would be like the jews.
They are the ones that prevailed according to quran Ghaith.
Dont you believe that jesus was born to a virgin preached the good news ran afoul to his enemies and suffers (according to swoon theory) Thanks for exposing muhammad as a pagan Ghaith?? LMAO The pagan christ??? Your orpheus amulet isnt accepted by any expert in the field secular or otherwise except by some muslims like osama LOL
Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy published that in a 1999 book it's a fake Ghaith osama is proven a liar again.
That isnt the same as jesus by a long shot.
The NT Ghaith.
How do we know the abbasids didnt use it either. I
How so?
You mean the life'S of his son'S- wake up Ghaith. No you mean fatima gave him hasan and husayn
No yos- but aisha bewley is translating it as we speak.
Was the verse saying animal sex???
Hmm really?
Why because the quran says to not eat pork- that is the only reason muslims say this.
Yep
Kitab means book or kitabun books just like bible.
I answered Ghaith and im sure you will saifullah thought he refuted it too. 
So?
You really think their faith is dying because they pronounce jesus correctly as yasua
It has since 250 years before muhammad-
Highly unlikely
Ghaith Dont you get it? mo is calling those christians "MUSLIMS" even the christians at najran told mo that they were muslims already (in the arabic sense) So you expect me to believe that sheikh imam constantine and sheikh imam simon peter were muhammads muslims Ghaith?
Ghaith israel was not a nation at the time judea and samaria and galilee were provinces of the roman empire And who were jesus supporters those that taught his gospel- the jews didnt believe in the gospel Ghaith. therefor it is talking about the christians. 
Are you serious Ghaith? do you really think ummah.com or sunni forums etc... would let me post that kind of research???
You called her a retard because mary is the ONLY woman named in quran????
I have to look at ygalgs comments on that again- but let me tell you just because he may have made a mistake on that doesnt mean he was lying Ghaith.
No yos- show me that dead sea mss
Calm down
They are the main shia sect 12ers that is- alawis are officially the same but they are not. Only since about 1971- they differ in many ways- alawis drink alcohol- celebrate epiphanes etc....
According to shia and Ghaith 25% remember about the same as bukhari. E O are essentially the same as catholics with some differences.
based on what? the quran?
Do you believe jesus is coming at time of dajjal
Ghaith if you refuse to accept what i post- then what good would it do?
5:82-83 christians are closer then the jews. Granted magi and sabians are only mentioned twice in quran. Yes the one from as-samiri was really intriguing 
That wasnt my point Ghaith they are khazars according to you - they follow the talmud despite the fact that most other jews including yemeni jews follow talmud.
The quran says they were 5:20-21
Jews at the time believed elijah would come back during the end of days. The pharisees simply asked him are you the messiah john said no then they asked if he was elijah he said no, and if he was a prophet, he said no. He was actually the forerunne or to announce and testify that jesus was the messiah according to christians
UHHHH NO LOL , Did mo do this or ALLAH??? in any case that makes no sense so the meccans had to pray towards jerusalem for five years after they converted when he conquered it.to remove their attached love. No Ghaith rather mo did that because he was desperately trying to get the jews on his side Ghaith. when he was getting converts from medinas pagans he didnt need the jews.
What would you do if archeology proved otherwise Ghaith?
It depends on the individual yos- when i was a youngster 16 i considered myself a devout christian- I didnt commit fornication(i had opportunities) smoke cigs or drugs - i would pray to god almost every dayand night. before and AFTER every meal - i would witness to people even colleagues in my high school. I even auxilliary poineered (60 hours of knocking on doors a month) I was pretty devout That of course fell apart when i went to college WhY do you consider yourself nOT devoutas a muslim, do you miss prayers? do you commit fornication etc.... eat sausage pizza? drink a beer
What about cnn?
Esposing them??? no Ghaith he ran jihad sites he influenced muslims like the soldier of allah major nidal hassan
Good huh???
Re: A challenge to Ghaith on did muslims or qurysh draw first blood
Yea... thats why the judge ordered to give him compensation  ~A God of mercy
Would never... inform His people war is simply a means of testing ones faith Surah's:3:140, 3:142,3:166, 3:167, 9:16, 47:4 ~.. shame compassion with the victims Surah's:3:154, 8:17 ~.. mock pacifism : Surah's: 3:167, 47:20 ~..disavow peaceful solutions: Surah:3:156
Re: A challenge to Ghaith on did muslims or qurysh draw first blood
Not only that ozes- but it looks like david and company went there recently again this time with full police cooperation 
Re: A challenge to Ghaith on did muslims or qurysh draw first blood
Not really Ghaith, 616 makes no sense- in many parts of the revelation 7 is used to symbolize gods perfect judgement- 6 simply represents the number of imperfection or MANS number as oppsed to gods number. No dear kai. Its talking about Nero. No it doesnt Ghaith, this is an opinion of preterist christians
Like i said i have been called everything but a one legged eskimo.
No wonder you hate christians- because this is similar to those crackpot illuminate theories you believe in Ghaith. it's like looking into a mirror for you Ghaith
Again sounds familar to those illuminate dajjal freemasonry theories you believe in Ghaith.
Asides from the illuminati and aids was created by cia type theories what about the wacko theory that every christian scribe and preist along with every jewish scribe and rabbi colluded with one another to corrupt the bible in the SAME MANNER. Ghaith, it takes a mindset that believes elephants can fly to believe such nonsense.
Okay Ghaith you refuse to read what i posted?
because the quran is saying that solomon heard the ant queen percieve solomon being a king and his army marching along- explain how the ants percieve human affairs Ghaith? do you actually believe this?
It is clear Ghaith from the passage Then
Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 5, Chp. 30
616 is most likely a mistranslation Ghaith. 666 has nothing to do with nero or domitian or any individual per se.
You should have proved that.
That is like saying the reconstructed 12th century quran!!! LOL
Ghaith do you know who the narrator is that tabari used for one of the isnads? IBN ISHAQ Besides theres more than 35 isnads regarding the satanic verses incident- some of the later ones like zamakhsahri claim that satan revealed it while they were praying in kaba in order to make it appear that mo was revealing it. but in reality later muslim scholars tried to erase the narrations going back to ibn abbas because the doctrine of mos isma was more important. Can i laugh now??
Of course i did he didnt debunk anything yos- he lied about meanings of the words
That is why i say he was too old to debate like that- some older people like williams have that forgetfulness problem Good god Ghaith ! hahaha
Williams is the only christian that he has ever debated Ghaith - even zakir naik said that williams answered two of his 20 challenges Ghaith zakir naik didnt refute anything Ghaith he deliberately lied about the meaning of nur daha etc... amongst other things
Because zakir has always refused to debate anyone from any creed knowledgable about islam- that is fact
I thought you were NOT biased Ghaith
Your video didnt refute anything Ghaith
Why is that Ghaith? what about 5 k in audience? what difference does it make? don't you find that strange?
He does written debates.
Ali sina has quite a bit of knowlege of islam yos- Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37 Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "
You call that a refutation???? This clown didnt even rebut half of sinas article- not only that the defense of the word nur was despicable.
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Whats up with this smokescreen Ghaith? are you biased?
Did you forget about the 2005 emails you posted by that ac link??
And AC was never at war with AI LOL okay yos- That depends Ghaith
They convert a couple of people to islam -so what? the first two videos are the same girl So now A/C are not debaters??? WOW Ghaith
Where on earth did you get the idea that the entire church converted to islam??? did you watch that video? They converted an abandoned church into a mosque Ghaith Good god
Lone wolf's?
You arent biased??? Do you really believe that Ghaith?
So why do you take his site seriously?
Would that include the quran?? LMAO
Sure dearest Ghaith -will you?
Well, sami was answering nadir here. in any case the video with the chicken doesnt prove anything yos- Was osama making the chicken sound for the video in the bg? LMAO
A FAIR DEBATE huh? have you been in paltalk Ghaith.
So you are calling AC liars now?
First of all Ghaith nadir lost that debate because he never answered cps claim about animal sex- did you watch the clip Ghaith?? Ive posted enough links to show that nadir is indeed a liar
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You missed the point of why i posted those links and emails Ghaith if it was merely to show there disagreements i could post pages upon pages of intermuslim disagreements.My main purpose was to show that nadir was a liar Ghaith secondly to show that bassam and sami zataari both left AC because osama doesnt teach sound islamic doctrine on basic islam. Thirdly to show the inconsistencies of sami zataari and osama
Good Job!! LOL[/quote] Ghaith where does sam ever say that he is a missionary?? LMAO these are the words of the muslims Ghaith Who is evanslablah? has he read the correspondence from both sides?
Yeah , but where's the proof Ghaith?
Ghaith that was deceptive on your part the sam shamoun reply should have been last. how would you repond to an email that was worded like yusufs? clearly he was taunting sam. i thought you were unbiased Ghaith?
You can't be serious Ghaith... cp was suddenly cut off how did you know that was cp telling sam to shut up?
O posted the LINK Ghaith with all of those emails
Sami and sam were going at it since the summer of 2007 when they had a written debate on Ai and samis site call to monothesim- sami and sam were in a heated exchange for months when sami posted that email . By december of 2008 sami and sam stopped the beef http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6590312557191237519&postID=358155093369604128
You see Ghaith sami was only insulting sam in that email you posted- not because of any substance- but rather because of his temper- this is the debate sami was referring to This was so one sided against nadir it isnt funny!!
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Hello my dear kai.
According to the Christians yes. There is no concept of a Old or New testament in Islam. Jesus had the original Torah with him when it was corrupted around the Pharisees.
It is very clear in Arabic kai. I take it that your an arabic speaker?
If he worshiped Krisna im sure Solomon wouldnt have been happy Kai.
Freshen my mind kai what where talking about there?
Dont see any indication there Kai.
The jewish view Kai.
Its Arabic Kai. Just like Dhul-Kifl for Ezekiel. Mahomet has no correspond with Muhammad. Yet when Joseph Smith was shoting that he belive Muhammad (saw) was a true prophet he used the name Muhammad. And must i reminde you what your founding fathers called muslims? Here the treaty of tripoli to refreshen your memory kai. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries More over the Je sound doesnt even exist in hebrew Kai. in modern Hebrew the ג (Gimmel - third letter of the Hebrew alphabet) is used with an apostrophe to change it from G "as in Give" to J as in "Jay". This is a linguistic invention to allow transliteration from other languages. So Yeshua or Jesus makes no sence Kai.
Pleas Kai dont say mo. Because of the Miraj and the Quran Kai. Paul contradicted Jesus.
Thats your wishful thinking Kai. The concept of a son of god jesus is from the NT which is confronted in the Quran.
Prophet Muhammad (saw) himself said they are corrupted my dear Kai. Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (S Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
Jesus preached it. It doesnt mean it was written down Parts of it sure.
Not only didnt he fullfiel any of the original Messianic prophecies he even gave a false prophecy Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Adam was indeed a prophet and so was Lot. However i dont want to mention how Lot is portrayed in the Tanach kai as you are aware.
I have his sexism and him giving Timothy a good time. Also read this kai(im not providing this as proof) http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/02/nyreg ... -fury.html
Im confused kai can you explain to me. From what ive understood it Banu doesn mean ibnu is that your argument?
Waraqa was an Ebionite Kai. His Gospel(singular) is not the one in the NT.
No kai. She pointed out God wouldnt be unfair because his not unfair like Christian belive he is.
post it please. Also im a Ibn Abbas fan so i dont pay much attention to Ibn Kathir. But im sure Ibn Kathir had more sence than to say Bulus is a Prophet.
Its clear enough for me Kai.
Read the prophecy Kai. Nebuchadnezzar was crushed in 568 and therfor never fullfield.
Compare him with Abdullah Smith and than say my Opinion.
Come on Kai give Osama a break. Sam is just much of a liar. Just take a look at his translation of "Do not hurt me regarding Aisha, as the Divine Inspirations do not come to me when I am in the [thowb] cloth (i.e. blanket) of any of wives except [in that of] Aisha.” (Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 2393) In his translation he has فِي ثَوْبِ as wearing clothes . Ofcourse 1 hadith refutes that. “Don't trouble me regarding 'Aisha, for by Allah, the Divine Inspiration never came to me while I was under the blanket of any woman amongst you except her." (Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 3491)
Hahahaha.
Omar bin al Khattab allowed Jews back to Jerusalem Kai.
Nadir seems to know Sam real well Kai. Making such a lie would easily been refuted by Sam. Sam never refuted it from my understanding.
White is an Calvinist or should i say Reformed. He reject 1 john 5:7 isnt that enough to say he belives bible is corrupted? 1 interpolation is enough for me Kai.
Does the verse say disciples kai? Dont think so.
Kai christian lies isnt a fact. THe verse doesnt say anything that you portrayed and even snake handeling pastor take it as a test. [url]http://news.yahoo.com/serpent-handling-west-virginia-pastor-dies-snake-bite-173406645--abc-news-topstories.html [/url]
All those Isnads are from Iraq and most of them are from a 71year old guy who was reported to have a very very bad memory thinging is very very surprising kai and thats why Sam is a filty liar. Just like the bible translators.
Im confused you yourself said Yesu of the bible is that Wizard that lived 100years before Jesus if im not misrepresenting you(long time ago). So isnt William craig lying by your own criteria for Yesu?
Where did Muhammad(saw) say the Kitab is from God?
No kai. No. Nasara are not muslims. Just like Bani Israel are not Jews.
Its a good theory kai. But Jesus himself isnt a historical figure and if i wasnt a muslim i would probly not belive he didnt exist so there are lacks Kai.
Thats why i have problem with the swoon.
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It mostly represents the month of ramadan. But im against symbolism my self.
Where did you get that i accept the swoon theory from?
Why not in the 30other gospels?
Ok kai. No doubt now that you are an Arabic speaker?
Yup. Ibn Hazm didnt think so to.
The original one didnt along many other books like 2 and 3 john i belive.
What are you on about Children of Israel where not Jew and the term Christian wasnt coined for the first followers.
Constantine was never even a christian. And Peter was a deciple not an Imam. More over by that logic Peter would have been a Yahoodi.
The romans where the once who mostly followed the Tunisian Tertullians new doctrine called Trinity when Athanasius and Constatine made it Orthodox. Can you prove to me that the Pharisees belived in the trinity ?
Why dont you go to a hindu or a sikh forum instead?
Wasnt Cyrus a messiah?
"qaloo inna nasara" Can you show me 1 christian saying his a nasrani today kai ?More over that verse is talking to Muhammad (saw9 about the people that lived BACK then. Tafsir al-Jalalayn You, O Muhammad (s), will truly find the most hostile of people to those who believe to be the Jews and the idolaters, of Mecca, because of the intensity of their disbelief, ignorance and utter preoccupation with following whims; and you will truly find the nearest of them in love to those who believe to be those who say ‘Verily, we are Christians’; that, nearness of theirs in love to the believers is, because some of them are priests, scholars, and monks, devout worshippers, and because they are not disdainful, of following the truth, as the Jews and the Meccans are. Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs Allah then showed their enmity towards the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, saying: (Thou wilt find) O Muhammad (the most vehement of mankind in hostility) and most vile in speech (to those who believe) Muhammad and his Companions ((to be) the Jews) the Jews of the Banu Qurayzah, Banu'l-Nadir, Fadak and Khaybar (and the idolaters) and the most vehement in hostility to the believers among the idolaters are the idolaters of Mecca. (And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection) in their bond and most lenient in speech (to those who believe) Muhammad and his Companions ((to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians) the Negus and his followers who were 32 men; it is also said that they were 40 people in total: 32 from Abyssinia, and eight monks from Historic Syria: the monk Bahirah and his followers Abrahah, Ashraf, Idris, Tamim, Tammam, Durayd and Ayman. (That) affection (is because there are among them priests) ascetics whose heads are shaved in the middle (and monks) secluded in monasteries who are their men of knowledge, (and because they are not proud) in believing in Muhammad and the Qur'an. We really need to start getting into context my dear kai.
These Yemeni Jews?
Is the Quran talking about Bani Israel or Bani Askenasi in that verse Kai?
Can you prove this Kai? NT is an unhistorical book of fiction. It also says Jews belived Messiah is the son of God
Did Jesus predict that Arabs would build tall buildings ? That one was good you have to admit kai.
I would yes. I also become atheist if they find the missing link which we hahahah Not some hoax like Lucy to but acctual evidence.
Yeah than im devout to
That stuff is avrage not devout kai. Maybe in the 80s yes but Islam has gotten stronger since then No more topless parties in Iraq and Beirut isnt the "Paris of the Middle East" anymore.
Nope.
Thats a lie Kai. Imam Awlaki was exposing them and he did nothing more than what you call freespeach
Book of revelation is a book paganism Kai. If you take a look at my signature you see what i mean. 616 would make perfect sence refering to Nero.
Ok kai you one legged eskimo.
is that so Kai?
Nothing is impossible for God. Even Trees can vote according to the Bible.
Dont you know what they found in Qumran cave 4 kai?
Sana manuscripts refutes you there my dear kai.
The same Ibn Ishaq that was kicked out of Medina for making up hadiths?
No Kai.
You you think Scam Shamoun could get an 5k audience?
How does that say Abu Bakr is the foster brother of Prophet Muhammad (saw)?
Yes Kai i have and i hope you are there to sometimes. CP left before he got the mic.
Cp never answer Nadir question.
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Police cooperation. Police is asking for trouble, trying to evangelize people in a arab festival one cant exactly expect a warm welcome. You think i would get a warm welcome from this christians Kai if i tried to preach Quran and revert them to Islam?
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My dearest ghaith?? You came back! anyways ive been a busy man i will respond to your smokescreens in a couple days
Hang tight little buddy
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Kai
 Heard you moved? Yeah i came back why notyou seemed to get bored here if im not around?
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You gotta check out my stuff kai
http://answering-bibleca.weebly.com/mary-trinity.html Anyways hit me up with an email once you have replied. little buddy kai 
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Hello d mono- what happened to your name?
Mono... mo knew what he called "the nasara" had the injeel and the torah. Not once did he or his quran say the torah was corrupted much less by the Pharisees.
The quran is NOT clear on many issues my dear mono whether in Arabic or English. Iv'e learned quite a bit over the years mono.
You miss the point - why would ghandi transport himself to 1000 bc Israel to worship khrishna?
Because you don't want to. 
You mean the corrupted jewish view mono. Hmmm
Are you kidding me mono??? that was a god awful example Dhul-kifl has no correlation with the name Ezekiel whatsoever mono- while many mufassir believed dhul khifl was Ezekiel - some were not sure- some believe it was Obadiah and I believe al- qutba believed it was Isaiah (ahmadis believe dhul khifl was Siddhartha Gautama) The word in Arabic that corresponds to Ezekiel is HIZ'QUL- that is why there is so much confusion about dhil khufl mono-because it doesn't correspond in any way to Ezekiel . As for Mahomet that is the Turkish pronounciation of mo simple as that- those Barbary pirates in Libya and Algeria were vassals of the ottomans- so when American diplomats referred to muslims and Muhammad they woulkd use Turkish pronounciation. Lastly, didn't you know that many muslims at that time would call themselves muhammadens?
Was this prophet joseph smith using Turkish pronounciation?? .
answered you above
You are attacking strawman here mono I didn't make that argument. And you are going to tell me there is no YOD in Hebrew. maybe you meant there is no y or j in koine greek which is true- that is why they used iesous for jesusin any case yasu or yeshua certainly is the correct pronounciatian -greek and English are NOT semetic languages so the differences will be more glaring.
Mo is not a derogatory term- are you monotheistic to Muhammad or allah perhaps they are one in the same.?
Really mono? . That depends on how you selectively quote paul and jesus on various issues The quran contradicts the torah and gospel even plenty of hades for that matter
It doesn't matter mono. the concept of jesus the messiah born to a virgin comes from the Christians and there injeel
did you read that link I provided by professor Abdullah saeed? anyways
That is talking about 2:79 it wasn't referring to Christians by any measure and it was referring to SOME UNLETTERED jews who would write books then again ummiyah dould mean gentile and refer to some arabs like musaylima receiving their own scripture or some arabs meeting the quranic challenge. Ha ha http://bewley.virtualave.net/bukhari52.html Lets emphacize on ibn abbas tafsir on 5:68 we will find that most of your ulema didn't subscribe to that. same thing with ibn kathir and al bukhari also shows contradictory reports Before you say there is no isnad remember that any hadee contradicting the quran must be discarded. It doesn't matter though theres plenty of tafsir that believe allahs books can't be changed like the gospels and torah and prophets http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=5&tAyahNo=68&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0 and this * تفسير
{ and this is the tafsir al jalalayn the two jalils mono
Theres many more but
The quran alludes to their present scripture repeatedly mono.
Most Christians believe it is a parallel prophecy regarding the 2nd temple destruction of Jerusalem and the end times.
So allegedly adam who was supposedly kicked down from paradise in heaven to earth because he disobeyed is sent down to earth as punishment along with his offspring to be was suddenly made a prophet? I know you are on a straight path to APOSTACY.
His sexism which is so abundant in the muslim world and the quran and hades - get real mono also, what is up with paul giving timothy a good time- getting circumcised is a good time?? are you for real mono?
so
yes im saying that Muhammad heard some of the jewish scribes refer to ezra as banu messenger.... and mo thought they were saying ibnu or son of
It says nasara for Christian not ebionite- so how do you know waraqa was an ebionite? It doesn't matter because they had their gospel which many experts believe was the gospel of matthew. or the gospel which contained all four in one. No kai. She pointed out God wouldnt be unfair because his not unfair like Christian belive he is.
so you are saying you will not believe in jesus shortly???
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Okay so you believe god put someone in jesus place to suffer?
Because the councils knew they were not written by the claimed author.
You are not going with the quran was sent to the arabs only mantra??
He believed that the earlier books became corrupted after Muhammad of course without any evidence.
all of those books were included in the peshitta by 200 years before mo
Christian simply means follower of Christ which in turn means messiah hence AL masihi
Yes jesus disciples were yahoodi and not muslims. Constantine claimed to be a Christian.
whats with this smokescreen mono? didn't you know that Constantine became an arian Christian after council of nicea? I never believed the Pharisees believed in trinity. they didn't even believe jesus was the messiah.
HMMM???
Yes but not THE messiah as your quran agrees with was jesus.
Did you read those tafsirs thoroughly my dear mono?
Ah yes the context . Its talking about Christians who become muslims im glad you saved me from digging up those tafsir.
I hope the muslim claiming to be joseph the Yemeni jew isn't acting in this one LMAO
Mono obviously we are going in circles on this I am in no mood to explain that to you again.
It says some jews.
why would he?
Rather you should say when you are READY to accept the evidence.
K
Average?? Yeah I agree Hezbollah has turned southern Beirut into an oppressive hell hole.
BS mono a couple of years ago I was on one of his websites it was jihad deluxe. why do you think he moved to yemen?
Wrong ive already showed you why?
WOW
Please post the verse
Enlighten me?
No they don't
That story is disputed but yeah the very same ibn ishaq that is also a major basis of the sealed nectar.
IDK but what I do know is that naik is a fraud he will debate little know Christian pastors in india where 300 people don't even know. but he wont debate sam shamoun who is far more well known. That is BS
I quit going there two years ago I was getting booted off too much .
What question?
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You can try to convert anyone to anything here mono. As for the videos you posted of that Filipino catholic sect that nails themselves to crosses as nutty as it is they do that on their own accord. there is no evidence of them hurting anyone outside of their sect. and they get proselytized all the time by other Christians. so why would they not accept it by muslims. its nothing like the treatment ahmadiyas get in Indonesia by sunnis. [/quote]
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