You are talking about people but that was never your argument.You clearly said that islam is a way of life which meant we are supposed to talk about religion and not muslims. Now what you have said above cannot be denied but you are forgetting that there are muslims who practice all the evils that islam has.Well when you say that islam is a way of life then you have to accept islam in its entirety because islam = good parts + bad parts so if you are just following the good parts then you are not following the islam in the real sense because your religion expects you to follow every part of it.
When I said that Islam is a way of life, I meant that it is a way of life for many. Many people live Islam in their day to day lives. Every religion has some good and bad. In Islam, that is a lot of bad. I would have still followed it if it was the truth, but it isn't. That's why I left. Now, I am trying to focus on the muslims of the west, who do not do many of the evil things, that Islam is all about.
Its actually good that you and some of your friends reject the bad ones and only pick the good ones but what about those who pick those bad parts? How can you convince them that they are wrong ?Since you have accepted that islam is a way of life you cannot convince them that its bad because what they do is very much islamic and also your acceptance of islam being a way of life hinders you from opposing them.
It is about interpretation. Now, if you use polygamy to feed four women, and give them happiness, then who is stopping you to do just that. Unfortunately many misuse it. Again, Islam is one way of life, if people accept it. By that, I mean that it is not only a religion, but a culture, a tradition, and a whole bunch of morals, that pretty much come into play on a day to day basis.
You may argue that those muslims who practice such evil teachings are very few in number.I even accept that argument but to commit horrendous crimes against mankind we dont need all the lot of muslims to follow those evil teachings for e.g out of 1.2 billion muslims on this planet say only 5,000(which is not even 0.1 % of the total muslim population) become terrorists by picking up bad parts of islam then they are sufficient to blow the entire world and thats why I say islam cannot be a way of life since even if handful of muslims follow those teachings as they can be a threat to mankind.
True, but if people choose to take verses of self defense, and read that martyrs go to heaven by dying in self defense, then they choose to misguide themselves by causing death of innocents, then are they not brainwashed? Add to that the concept of the raisins, which can be misunderstood for virgins, and you have a political war in the name of religion, where the terrorists kill themselves by being naive, and the leaders benefit.
I agree with all your post here but even in the west some muslims become terrorists. Its not that each and every muslim in the west is innocent. So now acceptance of islam as a way of life is harming mankind by producing only a fraction of people amongst muslims in the west and other countries who become beasts and all because of acceptance of islam. Should we still accept islam as a way of life in general ? I already said handful of sinners amongst muslims who blindly follow the bad teachings of islam are sufficient to cause heavy casualties.
Again, how many mullahs in the west give the orders? Not many. Their are some bad apples, who fueled with hatred, choose to use religion as an excuse. Now, what you say can be used against every religion. Now, here in the west, many homosexuals feel discriminated, and are fought against, so will you consider that as a bad action, or does your sympathy only go towards the bigger problems of mass destruction?
Eventhough jihad is not mentioned in the 5 pillars there are hadiths which tells us that Jihad is more important than some of the 5 pillars of islam.Lets see that hadith..
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad).
The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodess)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." The questioner again asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To perform Hajj (Pilgrim age to Mecca) 'Mubrur, (which is accepted by Allah and is performed with the intention of seeking Allah's pleasure only and not to show off and without committing a sin and in accordance with the traditions of the Prophet).
Here Jihad is placed before Hajj and immediately after the first pillar i,e faith in Allah and his messenger . A point should be noted that its obligatory for a muslim to do Jihad immediately after he announces faith in the messenger and Allah.There are more hadiths which slightly narrate a different order of placing Jihad but still the bottom line stays that jihad is actually a pillar of islam.Other than jihad rest are ok.
There are two jihads. The higher and the lower one. The higher jihad is when every muslim wakes up in the morning, and tries to be the best muslim he can until night. It is the struggle against lust, greed, lies, modesty, swearing, and such. It is the struggle to be a good muslim. The lower jihad is the war of self defense. If anybody comes between you and your religion, you are supposed to defend yourself.
I am not a muslim, but jihad is the most misunderstood word amongst many.
Well I wont accuse you for lying since you appear a honest person seeking for truth.I would say you are misinformed.
Lie no 1: Islam only tells you to attack for self defense
Lie no 2:It tells you not to attack women and children. It tells you not to attack someone from the back
I can prove all this if you want. I am not asking you to believe me blindly. Believe only If I convince you by logic.
This is what I learned as a former muslim, so if I am lying, then proove me wrong. Because even hadiths have a back story to them. When I argued with my muslim friends about Muhammad killing Jews, he told me that it was because the jews were trying to assassinate him, regardless of his warnings. Therefore, I cannot take Hadiths as satisfactory proof, for the lack of the back story.
Not all muslims follow those ideas but some do and thats why I have a problem in accepting islam as a way of life.
No, but not all human beings follow their religions with utter goodness either.
You forgot the insulting treatment that quran and hadiths have for women.Want me to show them? its good that you are picking the good things from islam but same is the not the case with all the muslims and thats why keeping islam is dangerous. It needs to be banned as who will decide what to keep from islam and what to not? There will always be a conflict.
I will show you.
Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey AND A WOMAN (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away, for I disliked to face him." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 9, Number 490)
Abu Dharr reported: THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH (may peace be upon him) SAID: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, HIS PRAYER WOULD BE CUT OFF BY (passing of an) ASS, WOMAN, AND BLACK DOG.I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil. (Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 1032)
Abu Huraira reported: THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH (may peace be upon him) SAID: A WOMAN, AN ASS AND A DOG DISRUPT THE PRAYER, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that. (Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 1034)
Now I know this, as I did research a while back. But Muhammad also told his followers to hit their wives with miswak (a form of toothbrush), and you can see that this must have been some sort of sarcasm, as he was brushing at the time, and could have told to hit women with much painful things.
He also said to love your daughters, as he had daughters too. Now what the hadiths mention above say, could have been looked at differently if we were physically there. For instance, when a man looks at a woman, he may lose concentration, and lust out of curiosity. This could mean anything. We don't know for sure. Again, I don't know why I am defending Islam, but I choose not to be ignorant, and fill myself with hate. There are some problems with Islam, but one should understand that there are problems among many things.
Take for instance drinking and driving. You know how much damage it does. Just read the story of Jacqueline Saburido at http://www.viciousenterprises.com/summe ... e-saburido
Now, would you ban alcohol? Look at what the swine flu did? It is a known fact that pigs eat anything including garbage, and what not, so will you allow bacon to be banned? Would you ban democracy, as it eventually turns into oligarchy in one way or another? These are questions, that need to be answered. Ban Islam today, and something else will come tomorrow.
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