The golden mean

[charleslemartel]

@Ahmed,

Did you miss the "same latitude" part of MBL's argument?

[AhmedBahgat]

@Ahmed,

Did you miss the "same latitude" part of MBL's argument?

No need for my intro, let;'s get into it


No inmate charles, I did not, if you watch the movie again, it stated all three directional, horzontal, verical and diagonal, what I showed above is the confirmation of the horizontal in a written way so others can follow because this issue is very new to me, my special thanks to the goon who brought it in and my sorry for my initial sarcasm

bugger off

[AhmedBahgat]

How about inmate charles or inamte bin lyin to show us another city in the world where it is located on a location that constitute the golden mean?

That should kill as lot of your time in your cells

[AhmedBahgat]

See inmates charles and bin lyin



in the movie the green line in this photo represent the location of the possible golden mean from west to east, I guess they used the internationaql date line as their datum but I have to confirm that

Now on that line which represents all possible locations which are on the same latitude, there must be a unique point for the godlen mean, and according to the movie it is also the city of Mecca which I found it amazing, that's all, I don't need miracles to believe, the problem is with those who need miracles to believe because when the miracles will be shown, IT WILL BE TOO LATE, i.e. the game will be over according to the Quran

However I concede that the abve is not a clear cut miracle as some may dispute the fact that there should be another Golden Mean point if we used the North Pole and the Eastern Date line to move south and west until the longer distance is located, but even if we do that, WILL YOU COME TO A CITY OR AN INHIBITANT LAND OR WATER, very tough to know of course, nbut some may work it out

[AhmedBahgat]

See this one, inmates:



So you reckon the Muslims fabricated that?

[AhmedBahgat]

Now to be fair, there mistakes in the movies, mistakes that I can confirm without an atom weight of doubt

they said that verse 3:96 is 47 letters which is wrong, the total letters of the verse is 42, therefore if their start is wrong then whatever will follow that is based on it must be wrong, therefore I am not amazed by such letters idea they added at the last third of the movie, I believe that this movie may be used by the 19ers cult to promote their 19 miracle crap which is nothing but counting letters in verses

[charleslemartel]

Now to be fair, there mistakes in the movies, mistakes that I can confirm without an atom weight of doubt

they said that verse 3:96 is 47 letters which is wrong, the total letters of the verse is 42, therefore if their start is wrong then whatever will follow that is based on it must be wrong, therefore I am not amazed by such letters idea they added at the last third of the movie, I believe that this movie may be used by the 19ers cult to promote their 19 miracle crap which is nothing but counting letters in verses

No. Even if their start is wrong, it does not necessarily follows that the rest of the things are wrong too. This logic is applicable only to the Quran as it claims to be the book from Allah. Humans can make some mistakes.

Coming to the golden mean part I wish to state that even if what is claimed is true, it does not necessarily verify the truth of Quran or Islam. Mecca, and kabaa, existed before Quran or Islam. Ancient people probably knew things such as these and therefore most of the ancient places of worship were constructed on the intersections of the ley lines. Remember, the hajj too predates Muhammad or Quran. If the golden mean thing is true, the credit should go to the ancients (pagans?) who built kabaa or established Mecca as a city, and not to Muhammad, Allah or Islam.

You will find the following article fascinating too:

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[Cassie]

This is a typical Muslim con-job. They are dishonest beyond belief. Mecca is 21-28-48N - which equates to 21.48 on the decimal degree format- putting it 7.614km from the North pole and 12,388 km from the South pole - which makes the ratio 1.627, not 1.618. This may seem a small "mistake" by Allah. However it equates to an error of 26.2km.

Even the ancient greeks knew about the golden mean. Apparently, Allah did not.

[Cassie]

Ahmed chose to explain to dumb ugly what golden mean means:

Let's me now apply the numbers obtained from the first movie concerning the distances between Mecca and both north and south poles to the golden mean equation:


Distance between Mecca and south pole (from first movie) = 12348.32 km = a
Distance between Mecca and north pole (from first movie) = 7631.68 km = b

a = the longer distance
b = the shorter distance

Therefore according to the following equation:


(12348.32 + 7631.68)/12348.32 = 12348.32/7631.68 = 1.6180339887

1.6180339 = 1.6180343 = 1.6180339887 (amazing)

Do you get it now, Ugly?

Only one point C on any line between two points a and b, will make it a golden mean

i.e.

(Longer Distance + shorter Disatance)/Longer Distance

must equal:

Longer Distance/Shorter Distance

must equal:

1.618

bloody amazing

back to you cell ugly to do your cellwork

Fudged numbers. The distance of Mecca from the North pole is 7614km, not 7631km.

[Cassie]

See this one, inmates:



So you reckon the Muslims fabricated that?

Yes, logic tells us that a line drawn from 90d N, 180dE to 90d S, 180d W, will not cross Mecca at 21:28:48N, 39:49:29E. The diagonal must be a 1:2 latitude:longitude ratio - which Mecca isn't.

[AhmedBahgat]

Here is the hardcore inmate who graduated from Google University majoring Spam

[Cassie]

??? At least I can calculate distances of latitude/longitude, unlike you who just believe any lie that your Muslim brothers shamelessly tell you. Why are Muslims such shameless, terrible liars? It is not as if people can't check.

[manfred]

if you divide the distance from Mecca to the South Pole by the distance from Mecca to the North pole, using great circle distances, you get 1.623210748 which is quite close the golden ratio.
Use http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/calculators to try it for yourself.

Perhaps next, try the same for Cancun, Mexico... you get the same answer.... The waikiki resort on Hawai also works, and how about Hanoi in Vietnam?

So, what on earth is this suppose to prove? That a squere can be divided in the golden ratio along a line of latitude? Is the golden ratio mentioned anywhere in the quran?

[Cassie]

See inmates charles and bin lyin



in the movie the green line in this photo represent the location of the possible golden mean from west to east, I guess they used the internationaql date line as their datum but I have to confirm that

Now on that line which represents all possible locations which are on the same latitude, there must be a unique point for the godlen mean, and according to the movie it is also the city of Mecca which I found it amazing, that's all, I don't need miracles to believe, the problem is with those who need miracles to believe because when the miracles will be shown, IT WILL BE TOO LATE, i.e. the game will be over according to the Quran

However I concede that the abve is not a clear cut miracle as some may dispute the fact that there should be another Golden Mean point if we used the North Pole and the Eastern Date line to move south and west until the longer distance is located, but even if we do that, WILL YOU COME TO A CITY OR AN INHIBITANT LAND OR WATER, very tough to know of course, nbut some may work it out

The Muslim liars called it the "solstice line" or something similar, whatever it is. Regardless, it is absolute rubbish.

[manfred]

It certainly doesn't work in an east-west direction with the greenwich meridian/international dateline. Sorry, all this smells too much like "I found Allah written inside this tomato when I cut it..." or like that virgin Mary in a tree thing recently reported from Ireland.

What we do know about Mecca is that it was a pagan cult centre run by one of Mohammed's ancestors, and that it may have been about 200 years old in Mohammed's time, possibly slightly older. The notion that various Islamic impersonations of biblical characters, like Islamic Adam, or Islamic Abraham (amongst others) ALL built it, really is quaintly comical.

Granted, TO a MUSLIM Mecca is rather like the "centre of the world", but the rest of us are happy to know the simple mathematical fact that the surface of a sphere has no centre or special focus at all. All of the earth is equal.

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

Dear mister Bahgat, think for a moment, ok? Isn't every city that is on the same latitude as Mecca to be considered as having the same ratio in regard to the poles? And, there's land in the Southern Hemisphere that can also meet this ratio if we flip it. See? This is why I immediately saw through this garbage. Fooling Muslims is big business for fellow Muslims. Nice to know they didn't fool you, but you should have seen the problem well before you did. So how do you feel about your fellow Muslim bros doing this to other Muslims?

Not right, inmate,

imagine we have a distance between A and B of 10 KM, now there should be ONLY one point C between A & B which should give us a unique percentage

for example

A to C = 3 Km and C to B = 7 Km

This should give us a unique percentage based on such location of C, i.e.

AC/AB = 3/10 = 0.3

Now if we move C 1 Km towards B, i.e. AC= 4 then the percentage should be unique again = 4/10 = 0.4

Back to you cell, mister dumby

Why are you so stupid? Can you tell me why the same exact latitude across the earth has any difference in it's distance to the poles? You're supposed to be a computer programmer. What is the matter with you?? What blocks you brain? What eats at you?

Don't get used to it ugly inmate,[/quote]

Oh shut up with your stupid little game, ok? It's not funny, it's stupid third grade humor and you continually embarrass yourself with this, and to make matters worse, you're so stupid that you actually think you are being funny. How pathetic

but let me clear your stupidity one more time

the video is not talking about the verticla distance only you dumb, it is talking about the following:

1) Mecca position in relation to the vertical distances of the earth
2) Mecaa position in relation to the horizontal distrances of the earth
3) Mecaa position in relation to the diagonal distrances of the earth

Dismiss your ugly bum

The first thing it talked about was it's distance between the poles. That's CLEARLY there. Now, I'll ask you one more time. How is the distance to the poles any different between all lands on the same latitude? That video claimed that Mecca was the only land who met the 1.618 criteria between the poles, and clearly, this is patently false and a clear indication that this is yet another lying propaganda film. What is the matter with you? Doesn't it embarrass you to know that Muslims are constantly pulling stunts like this all of the time? Why do you think nobody trusts Muslims? It's well deserved.

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

See this one, inmates:



So you reckon the Muslims fabricated that?

Who decided the eastern and western starting points? Why didn't you ask yourself that, dummy? Also, flip the globe and redraw that and see what you get, dummy.

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

See this one, inmates:



So you reckon the Muslims fabricated that?

Yes, logic tells us that a line drawn from 90d N, 180dE to 90d S, 180d W, will not cross Mecca at 21:28:48N, 39:49:29E. The diagonal must be a 1:2 latitude:longitude ratio - which Mecca isn't.

These people are such desperate lie factories and they never stop producing them. You debunk one only to see that they have their next lie to offer. Honestly, does any other people or religion on this earth behave in such a shameful fashion?

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

if you divide the distance from Mecca to the South Pole by the distance from Mecca to the North pole, using great circle distances, you get 1.623210748 which is quite close the golden ratio.
Use http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/calculators to try it for yourself.

Perhaps next, try the same for Cancun, Mexico... you get the same answer.... The waikiki resort on Hawai also works, and how about Hanoi in Vietnam?

Of course, which was the first thing I picked out. I saw the scam right away and anybody could, even a 5th grader. Well, anybody, but a Muslim.

[AhmedBahgat]

See this one, inmates:



So you reckon the Muslims fabricated that?

Who decided the eastern and western starting points? Why didn't you ask yourself that, dummy? Also, flip the globe and redraw that and see what you get, dummy.

Ahmed chose to reply to ugly piece of sh!t

It looks like they used the international date line you filthy piece of trailer trash