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all things are in pairs?

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dear eagle, you said "of course" all things are in pairs.
Please explain.
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You form a pair with the spider in your attic. How? and what does it mean to the concept of monotheism? That is what the Quran explains to the spiritually aware

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Eagle, the "you are too stupid" ploy fool nobody.

The Qur'an references the Noah story when it says all things are in pairs. Clearly it means that all living things procreate as male and female. This is simply not true. Inventing some "deeper" meaning is not helping. Either explain it rationally or concede that this is inaccurate.
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Noah's story doesn't say this. Invention, until now, is on the side of the critic who is trying to make certain verses say what they clearly dont.

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(it is he)That has created pairs in all things, and has made for you ships and cattle on which ye ride,
Qur'an 43:12

It seems you cannot explain that... no worries.
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You said in the story of Noah.

And of course all things are in pairs, see my first post

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There is no explanation here.
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The explanation was given in the form of a question that stimulates thinking in the spiritually aware

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You are sound more and more like SAM... It is plain that not all things are "in pairs" but you cannot admit that because that would contradict the Qur'an. You cannot show it to be true either... hence the evasion.
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Its an invitation to ponder.

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no eagle, nothing to ponder, an obvious evasion nothing more. Tentatively, we can suggest a garbled reference to Noah, as in the context we have talks of ships an rain. Most likely old Mo had a bit too much of his palm wine when he put this together.
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manfred wrote:, you said "of course" all things are in pairs.
Please explain.
Without your father screwing your mother, you would not exist.

Within you there is also a partner, not alone.

God cannot prove His existence without being paired up.

Jesus would not exist, if not in pairs. (Mary)

All creations are paired not alone.
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Crude SAM, and not very logical. ALL THINGS are in pairs. Do you agree that this statement is proven false if there is ONE thing that is not "in pairs"?

Also, about this partner inside me... if I steal a car can I argue that it was not me but this partner? Do you think I would get off in court?
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manfred wrote:Crude SAM, and not very logical. ALL THINGS are in pairs. Do you agree that this statement is proven false if there is ONE thing that is not "in pairs"?
Which ONE doesn't have pairs? :clueless:
Also, about this partner inside me... if I steal a car can I argue that it was not me but this partner? Do you think I would get off in court?
You are still being charged in court because your partner was incarnated as one person.
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Mama coronavirus and papa coronavirus? Mama pebble and papa pebble?
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manfred wrote: Do you agree that this statement is proven false if there is ONE thing that is not "in pairs"?
Your inability to answer my questions in your own words indicates that you cannot answer.

You're only good at speculating. :lol:
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SAM, do you actually believe that anyone cannot see your inability to provide a coherent response? It is a simple MATHEMATICAL rule: A general statement which is supposed to be true in all cases is proven false, if you can find just one counter-example.
For example: "All prime numbers are odd". Counter-example: 2 is a prime number with is not odd.

So I am not "speculating", I am asking you if you accept that axiom, or not.

The Qur'an does not say "has pairs" but that all things are IN PAIRS. Is that true? You may or may not have a pair of man-boobs, but that is irrelevant.
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manfred wrote:SAM, do you actually believe that anyone cannot see your inability to provide a coherent response? It is a simple MATHEMATICAL rule: A general statement which is supposed to be true in all cases is proven false, if you can find just one counter-example.
For example: "All prime numbers are odd". Counter-example: 2 is a prime number with is not odd.

So I am not "speculating", I am asking you if you accept that axiom, or not.

The Qur'an does not say "has pairs" but that all things are IN PAIRS. Is that true? You may or may not have a pair of man-boobs, but that is irrelevant.
You failed to provide an example of ONE thing not being paired?

Mathematics starts from zero and ends with zero.
The terms odd and even in pairs.. :whistling:
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you can read SAM? a virus does not come "in pairs". A rock does not. A hair does not. A leaf ....

A pair means two things that belong together, and each is diminished by the absence of the other. How come you cannot see that there are a great many things no in a "pair" all around you?
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SAM wrote:You failed to provide an example of ONE thing not being paired?
Let me try SAM. I am not as clever as Manfred, not in my wildest dreams, but internet is my friend. Nowadays you can find an answer for most questions on internet..

Here we go...not being paired
The Qur'an leaves out asexual organisms

Asexual reproduction is found in the majority of living organisms, including most plants, protists (e.g. bacteria, protozoans, and unicellular algae and fungi), and many lower invertebrates such as tapeworms

Other examples of asexual reproductive organisms are hydrae and many lower plants (e.g. ferns). Some organisms are also capable of regeneration, a specialized form of asexual reproduction, for example starfish, polyps, zebrafish, flatworms, newts, and salamanders. Many plants are capable of total regeneration. Among animals, the lower the form, the more capable it is of total regeneration; no vertebrates have this power (except artificially in the lab). Regeneration is closely allied to vegetative reproduction, the formation of a new individual by various parts of the organism not specialized for reproduction. The highest animals that exhibit vegetative reproduction are the colonial tunicates (e.g. sea squirts), which, much like plants, send out runners in the form of stolons, small parts of which form buds that develop into new individuals.
Are you still with me? :smartass:
The Qur'an leaves out hermaphrodites

Some creatures, including plants, are totally hermaphrodites. For example, sponges, snails, the slug-like sea hare, and some kinds of deep-sea arrow worms are hermaphrodites, that is, they have both sexes in one body.

Some creatures also change their sex during their life-cycles: Quahogs (hard-shell clams) are born and grow up male, but later half of them turn female. Slipper shells and cup and saucer shells do this too; they commence every season as males, but nearly all of them later pass through a phase of ambisexuality and turn into adult females. Some species change sex depending on their environment, such as the marine worm Ophryotrocha, if the portly young females are later underfed they revert back into males again. Some fish can also change sex spontaneously, for example some groupers and guppies.

Some apologists may try to claim that hermaphrodites are actually a male-female pair as both sexes are included in the one organism. It may be that in a population some hermaphrodites act as males while others act as females. This claim, of course, would be totally wrong as a hermaphrodite, by definition, is both male and female at once, even if performing one of its sexual functions at the one time.
The Qur'an leaves out parthenogenetic organisms.

Parthenogenesis is a form of reproduction in which the ovum develops into a new individual without fertilization.

Muhammad apparently did not know about the 15 species of whiptail lizard (genus Cnemidophorus) that are wholly parthenogenetic, for example Cnemidophorus tigris (Western whiptail) and C. neomexicanus, nor did he know about the Ambystomids, the unisexual hybrid salamanders.[3]

He also did not know about the Island or Brahminy Blind Snake, Ramphotyphlops braminus, the only parthenogenetic snake in the world which happens to originate from the Pacific Islands (lands unknown to Arabs in Muhammad’s time).
Find out more here.

But no worry SAM. Don't break your handsome head over it. Mohammed was not omniscient. He did not have access to a microscope or a Level 1 biology textbook.

Bye SAM. Have a nice day.
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