what's in a name?

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Takeiteasynow
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panis wrote:
Takeiteasynow wrote:
panis wrote: Jesus and the Gospel are two distinct concepts, it is not the same theme
Isa is a clone fabricated made by the false prophet Muhammad 6 centuries later
The name 's1y is the Safaitic cognate to ʿīsà,
Show us the sources
Hmm, who is us? Where are your sources? But there's no need to worry, your small theological world isn't endangered.

Safaitic phrase ʿs1y (isa), attested as common name, is an adopted version of Aramaic Yeshu, the language of the Nazarene sect between Damascus and Bosra, which translates in popular language to ‘Ysā. The tribes using Safaitic script but speaking Arab were influenced by Aramaic documents provided by the Nazarene sect. To summarize: these Safaitic inscriptions confirm the growth and distribution of Christianity and the application of early Nazarene propaganda. Both Jesus and Isa indicate the same person and both derive from Aramaic Yeshu.

Note: Another example of the usage of 'isa' in Safaitic: 'ya isa' - he despaired - also written as 'yah'.
Abraham= H'ammu'rab(b)i, Historical Muhammad=Benjamin of Tiberias. Theological: Mahmud from Najran Islam: Syncretic Israelite Yahwishm Deity: nameless, epithets Dsr, El Qutbay, ʼAlâhâ, Allāh. Ka'ba: Kutha => Samaria => Petra=> Makkah. Hijrah 622: Petra => Kerak

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Well whatever his name was, he sure didn't bring any clay birds to life or speak as a baby. doubtful that the Disciples would have failed to mention that. In fact, if he HAD brought a clay bird to life he would be equal to Allah. What mere prophet ever created life from clay? Only YHVH was said to have done that. Muhammad never did it, so clearly he is inferior to Isa, Allah's equal partner.

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Well, what counts most is that we found a very plausible answer to the question why the Qur'an calls Jesus "Isa".

This also means we're running out of juicy topics - so Manfred needs to return asap to provide us with new and challenging theological subjects.
Abraham= H'ammu'rab(b)i, Historical Muhammad=Benjamin of Tiberias. Theological: Mahmud from Najran Islam: Syncretic Israelite Yahwishm Deity: nameless, epithets Dsr, El Qutbay, ʼAlâhâ, Allāh. Ka'ba: Kutha => Samaria => Petra=> Makkah. Hijrah 622: Petra => Kerak

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marduk wrote: Who did idolators kill, aside from maybe their own children?
It is a lie of Muhammad. Otherwise, his mother would have been killed.

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Takeiteasynow wrote:
panis wrote: Show us the sources
Hmm, who is us? Where are your sources? But there's no need to worry, your small theological world isn't endangered.

Safaitic phrase ʿs1y (isa), attested as common name, is an adopted version of Aramaic Yeshu, the language of the Nazarene sect between Damascus and Bosra, which translates in popular language to ‘Ysā. The tribes using Safaitic script but speaking Arab were influenced by Aramaic documents provided by the Nazarene sect. To summarize: these Safaitic inscriptions confirm the growth and distribution of Christianity and the application of early Nazarene propaganda. Both Jesus and Isa indicate the same person and both derive from Aramaic Yeshu.

Note: Another example of the usage of 'isa' in Safaitic: 'ya isa' - he despaired - also written as 'yah'.
You still do not show sources

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Takeiteasynow wrote:Well, what counts most is that we found a very plausible answer to the question why the Qur'an calls Jesus "Isa".
I didn't understand the answer to the question why the Qur'an calls Jesus "Isa". Can you ex plain please ?

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Panis wrote:I didn't understand the answer to the question why the Qur'an calls Jesus "Isa". Can you ex plain please
I didn't state then Quranic Isa is the same as Nabataean or Safaitic Isa. It probably is, but more evidence is needed.

Yeshua was a common alternative form of the name Yehoshua or Joshua in later books of the Hebrew Bible
and among Jews of the Second Temple period and Hasmonean Period. Yeshua corresponds to the Greek spelling Iesous, from which, through the Latin Iesus, comes the English spelling Jesus. Yeshua in Hebrew means 'to deliver' and was a popular name among Jews of the Hasmonean period.

Besides the Hebrew tribes of Israel there were ethnic groups professing a form of the Jewish faith. These groups spoke a dialect of Aramaic or Arab which would have caused linguistical differences and transliterations, the process of transferring a word from the alphabet of one language to another.

Now let's move to Palmyra. This city had a large Jewish community; inscriptions in Palmyrene
from the necropolis of Beit She'arim in Northern Israel confirm the burial of Palmyrene Jews.
Western archaeologists who visited the site in the 19th and 20th century discovered Hebrew verses etched into the doorframe of a house in the ancient city, including the longest Biblical Hebrew inscription from antiquity: the opening verses of the Shema carved into a stone doorway. The citizens of Palmyra spoke a dialect of Aramaic with a minimal use of Greek or Latin. Palmyra was enormous with an estimated population of 200.000 citizens and acted as a trade center for the Arab tribes south of Palmyra.

If these 'Arab tribes' south of Palmyra were either professing a form of the Jewish faith, influenced by the Jewish community of Palmyra or adopting Jewish names then it must be possible to attest these transliterations from Aramaic to early Arabic or a form of Nabataean script, Safaitic.

There are 36 documented Safaitic inscriptions containing the name 's1y, found in about 8 sites in Northern Arabia. The name 's1y is the Safaitic cognate to 'isà, a connection with Quranic 'isà is being researched. The Safaitic script was used around the 1st century BCE to 4th century CE.

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In this context the name Yehua transliterated to 'Isa', as explained by linguist Robert Kerr, professor at the department Archaeologyand Classical Studies at the University Wilfrid Laurier of Waterloo, Ontario. Kerr is associated with the experts researching the Quranic manuscripts from Sa'ana.

And there's also theological reason why these tribes would prefer a different name than Yesu as they rejected all the Canonical gospels and the concept of Jesus being the Son of God which they deemed of Hellenist origin. Instead they worshiped Malak Ba'al or the Messenger of God, the one who delivered the 'message'.

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Abraham= H'ammu'rab(b)i, Historical Muhammad=Benjamin of Tiberias. Theological: Mahmud from Najran Islam: Syncretic Israelite Yahwishm Deity: nameless, epithets Dsr, El Qutbay, ʼAlâhâ, Allāh. Ka'ba: Kutha => Samaria => Petra=> Makkah. Hijrah 622: Petra => Kerak

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