what's in a name?

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Garudaman wrote:the correct question is why arabian christians using yasu instead isa (which is close to iesous) while injil is greek? because they're more modern arabian christians?
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The word "Isa" does not translate to Jesus in any language,but the Quran still insists on using it.

The word meaning Jesus in Arabic is Yasu which the Quran should have used but did not,which begs the question, why did Allah not use this name, using the meaningless Isa instead?

The N.T.which includes the Gospel message was written in Greek because Greek was the universal language at that time in history,but the word for Jesus in Greek is Iesous not Isa.

Allah got this wrong on two counts,he did not use the correct Arabic name for Jesus,using instead a mis heard, mis spelt word meaning Jesus in Greek.

Time to believe in a more competent God.


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Garudaman wrote:isa is iesous (the greek of jesus) in arabic tongue, & injil is euangelion in arabic tongue.

Garudaman

If what you are saying is true,why did Allah use a Greek word(s) in a book allegedly revealed in Arabic?

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because allah also talk to arabian christian who use greek bible

& btw, taurat, allah, & ismail is also not trully arabic words you know, but hebrew words in arabic tongue.

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Garudaman wrote:because allah also talk to arabian christian who use greek bible

Utter nonsense,and you know it.

The Quran was allegedly revealed in Arabic,all words contained within it, should therefore be in Arabic.

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the absorption words are counted as the words of the language that absorb it, such as, emansipasi is counted as indonesia word & no longer english word, and cover (the english of kafir) is english word & no longer arabic word.
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Garudaman wrote:the absorption words are counted as the words of the language that absorb it, such as, emansipasi is counted as indonesian word & no longer english word.
Prove it.


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Garudaman wrote:isa is iesous in arabic tongue, & injil is euangelion in arabic tongue.
isa is not iesous in arabic tongue, Jesus in arabic tongue is yasou3 since 2000 years; isa is a fake fabricated by Muhammad false prophet 6 centuries later

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The quran appeared in the dialect of Mecca of the 7th century, a language that no longer exists and no one knows, hence the use of the exegesis of Tabari is essential

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panis wrote:
Garudaman wrote:isa is iesous in arabic tongue, & injil is euangelion in arabic tongue.
isa is not iesous in arabic tongue, Jesus in arabic tongue is yasou3 since 2000 years; isa is a fake fabricated by Muhammad false prophet 6 centuries later
manfred wrote:Arabic Christians call Jesus Yasu' Which is very close to the Hebrew, using the same letters, but the pronunciation has shifted a little:

Hebrew Yeshua' = Yod + Shin + Waw + 'Ain
Arabic Yasu' = Ya + Sin + Waw + 'Ain
isa is arabic tongue of iesous, while yasu is arabic tongue of yeshua.

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There was an Arabic equivalent of Yeshua but mohammed didnt use it instead it looks like he used a poor translation of the Greek version. why? because mo hammed didn't have any knowledge of historical Jesus and even got his name wrong. Fake prophet.
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Garudaman wrote:
panis wrote:
Garudaman wrote:isa is iesous in arabic tongue, & injil is euangelion in arabic tongue.
isa is not iesous in arabic tongue, Jesus in arabic tongue is yasou3 since 2000 years; isa is a fake fabricated by Muhammad false prophet 6 centuries later
manfred wrote:Arabic Christians call Jesus Yasu' Which is very close to the Hebrew, using the same letters, but the pronunciation has shifted a little:

Hebrew Yeshua' = Yod + Shin + Waw + 'Ain
Arabic Yasu' = Ya + Sin + Waw + 'Ain
isa is arabic tongue of iesous, while yasu is arabic tongue of yeshua.

Garudaman
isa is arabic tongue of iesous, while yasu is arabic tongue of yeshua
Isa does not translate to anything,it is a made up word,yet it is still used as a name for Jesus in a book allegedly revealed in Arabic.

The Arabic word meaning Jesus is Yasu,which is the word that should have been used in the Quran,but wasn't.

This proves the author of the Quran was not God, who should have known the Arabic name for Jesus is Yasu not Isa, since Arabic is the language Allah(allegedly) revealed the Quran.

The author of the Quran is proved to be fallible,QED Allah cannot be God.

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Centaur wrote:There was an Arabic equivalent of Yeshua but mohammed didnt use it instead it looks like he used a poor translation of the Greek version. why? because mo hammed didn't have any knowledge of historical Jesus and even got his name wrong. Fake prophet.
because injil/euangelion is greek so its use iesous, you moron
frankie wrote:The Arabic word meaning Jesus is Yasu
yeah, because the original injil/euangelion is hebrew

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Garudaman wrote:
Centaur wrote:There was an Arabic equivalent of Yeshua but mohammed didnt use it instead it looks like he used a poor translation of the Greek version. why? because mo hammed didn't have any knowledge of historical Jesus and even got his name wrong. Fake prophet.
because injil/euangelion is greek so its use iesous, you moron
frankie wrote:The Arabic word meaning Jesus is Yasu
yeah, because the original injil/euangelion is hebrew

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The subject of the discussion is Jesus, not the Gospel.
in greek it's Iēsoûs
The "sh" hebrew becomes "s" in Arabic: shĕlōmōh -> Suleyman; Moshé -> Musa; Shabat -> Sebt; etc.
in Hebrew = Yeshua3 therefore in Arabic = Yasu3


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Garudaman wrote:Jesus is Gospel based
Jesus and the Gospel are two distinct concepts, it is not the same theme
Isa is a clone fabricated made by the false prophet Muhammad 6 centuries later

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panis wrote:
Garudaman wrote:Jesus is Gospel based
Jesus and the Gospel are two distinct concepts, it is not the same theme
Isa is a clone fabricated made by the false prophet Muhammad 6 centuries later
Well, science is moving fast now.....

There are 36 documented Safaitic inscriptions containing the name ʿs1y, found in about 8 sites in Northern Arabia. The name 's1y is the Safaitic cognate to ʿīsà, a connection with Quranic ʿīsà is being researched. The Safaitic script was used around the 1st century BCE to 4th century CE.

Map inscriptions:
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Note that most inscriptions were found southeast of Damascus - the heartland of the Nazarene sect.
Abraham= H'ammu'rab(b)i, Historical Muhammad=Benjamin of Tiberias. Theological: Mahmud from Najran Islam: Syncretic Israelite Yahwishm Deity: nameless, epithets Dsr, El Qutbay, ʼAlâhâ, Allāh. Ka'ba: Kutha => Samaria => Petra=> Makkah. Hijrah 622: Petra => Kerak

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Takeiteasynow wrote:
panis wrote: Jesus and the Gospel are two distinct concepts, it is not the same theme
Isa is a clone fabricated made by the false prophet Muhammad 6 centuries later
The name 's1y is the Safaitic cognate to ʿīsà,
Show us the sources

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It's because anti-adolators are very ignorant. You always hear about anti-Semitism or Islamophobia but what about anti-adolatry? Why is it wrong to hate Jews and Muslims but it's perfectly fine to hate idolators? Who did idolators kill, aside from maybe their own children? But what about the ones who only make food and drink offerings to their idols, is that wrong? I'll tell you exactly who had the gripe with idolators, the priests of YHVH, that's who. You know, the people who made him up. They had a very good motive to promote hatred of idolators, competition for sacrifices. It was a priest jungle, and the only way to win was to incite hatred and murder of competitors. Otherwise they might actually have to work or fight in wars, and they couldn't have that.

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