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Re: Magic

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:28 pm
by sum
Hello Mughal

At least you have now told us that you believe that the miracles that Jesus is claimed to have performed were not real at all.

You talk about a god who revealed the Koran. You have not the slighted proof of this. All you have is the word of a desert warlord where the "revelations" that were alleged to have been given to Muhammad somehow favoured Muhammad`s acquisition of wealth - stolen booty - and his almost unlimited lust for women captives.

You still have not told me why you accept the "deen" of Islam in preference to the "deen" of Christianity. Please do not evade this important question and give us your explanation for your preference. I would claim that a religion that is based on love and the Golden Rule is infinitely preferable to the hate emanating from the Koran. You really do need to give us your reasons for supporting divisions in society based on hatred and Islamic intolerance extending to killing those who do not accept Islam.

I look forward to your reply.

sum

Re: Magic

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:32 am
by Mughal
sum wrote:Hello Mughal

At least you have now told us that you believe that the miracles that Jesus is claimed to have performed were not real at all.

You talk about a god who revealed the Koran. You have not the slighted proof of this. All you have is the word of a desert warlord where the "revelations" that were alleged to have been given to Muhammad somehow favoured Muhammad`s acquisition of wealth - stolen booty - and his almost unlimited lust for women captives.

You still have not told me why you accept the "deen" of Islam in preference to the "deen" of Christianity. Please do not evade this important question and give us your explanation for your preference. I would claim that a religion that is based on love and the Golden Rule is infinitely preferable to the hate emanating from the Koran. You really do need to give us your reasons for supporting divisions in society based on hatred and Islamic intolerance extending to killing those who do not accept Islam.

I look forward to your reply.

sum
Dear sum, I have already explained what proof is and how revelation of God and creation of God can be used for this purpose. My explanations are a bit difficult for people to make sense of because people are not used to thinking things the way I am explaining them. It is in a way, out of the box thinking. I know what the problem is because I had that problem myself as well. It will all be clear once someone interprets the quranic text properly. As I said already it is far too much work for one person.

There are far too many mistakes in the quranic translations and interpretations. For example, you can see how wrong 86/7 has been interpreted. All the quran is saying is that human reproduction starts from sperm poured out by man into a woman and then a human comes out as a baby from his mummy's tummy, wherein a human baby keeps growing till his birth therefore that causes enlargement or expansion of the womb. Verses 7 describes the extend of womb expansion within the belly.

Likewise is misinterpreted 79/30 for example. In there word BAADA is used which means also or along with or in addition to or as well as or besides. It also means after or at length or afterwards or at a distance or behind and so on and so forth. One can see use of same word in 68/13 eg see http://islamawakened.com/quran/68/13/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://islamawakened.com/quran/79/30/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

The problem with muslims or for that matter with all people is no one wants to make real effort for finding things out for oneself instead people want to be spoon fed with the needed information.

Love or golden rule means nothing at all unless there is some end goal and a clear way towards it. That is why a reliable standard is absolutely necessary. Deen of islam provides us with all we need.

As for our ignorance that can never unite us. As for religion, that too cannot unite us because religion does not give us a proper way of life for living in this world properly whereby we human beings could fulfil our daily needs. The only thing that can help us live properly in this word is a proper purpose based constitution and its purpose based related proper laws whereby we could organise and regulate our lives properly.

regards and all the best.

Re: Magic

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:44 pm
by sum
Hello Mughal

You write a lot but do not address the main point and question. Please do not avoid my question. I will ask yet again.

Why do you prefer the Islamic "deen" to the Christian "deen"?

sum

Re: Magic

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:40 pm
by Hombre
Mughal wrote:There are far too many mistakes in the quranic translations and interpretations. For example, you can see how wrong 86/7 has been interpreted. All the quran is saying is that human reproduction starts from sperm poured out by man into a woman and then a human comes out as a baby from his mummy's tummy, wherein a human baby keeps growing till his birth therefore that causes enlargement or expansion of the womb. Verses 7 describes the extend of womb expansion within the belly.

Likewise is misinterpreted 79/30 for example. In there word BAADA is used which means also or along with or in addition to or as well as or besides. It also means after or at length or afterwards or at a distance or behind and so on and so forth. One can see use of same word in 68/13 eg see http://islamawakened.com/quran/68/13/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://islamawakened.com/quran/79/30/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

The problem with muslims or for that matter with all people is no one wants to make real effort for finding things out for oneself instead people want to be spoon fed with the needed information.

Love or golden rule means nothing at all unless there is some end goal and a clear way towards it. That is why a reliable standard is absolutely necessary. Deen of islam provides us with all we need.

As for our ignorance that can never unite us. As for religion, that too cannot unite us because religion does not give us a proper way of life for living in this world properly whereby we human beings could fulfil our daily needs. The only thing that can help us live properly in this word is a proper purpose based constitution and its purpose based related proper laws whereby we could organise and regulate our lives properly.

regards and all the best.
Dear Mughal
We can get into intellectual foot dancing all day long. In Judaism we have vast 18 volume of the Talmud. Its sole objective is to interpret & explain each passage or edict made in the 5 books of the Hebrew Bible. One example provided there,is exactly the same argument to which you are making - the basic concept of human creation (Adam & Eve, etc) argued by Jewish scholars hundreds of years earlier before the birth of Islam in 632 ACE. Therefor the Deen Of Islam is based & predicated on Judea-Christianity with a bit from Zoroastrian religion.

It is common practice among humans interpreting the same phenomenon - each differently from others.Nonetheless, I am glad that you admit that the Quran (or any holy book for that matter) is not perfect, nor should be considered as one

Re: Magic

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:46 am
by Ansar al-Zindiqi
From none other than al-Jazeera. :dev:

Re: Magic

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:48 am
by Ansar al-Zindiqi

Re: Magic

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:59 am
by Ansar al-Zindiqi
Magic and the Occult in Islam: Ahmad al-Buni (622H/1225CE?) and his Shams Al-Ma'arif

Re: Magic

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:00 am
by Mughal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-QOlTD0YHo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;