Has Allah retired his Angels?

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Re: Has Allah retired his Angels?

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SAM wrote: The followers of Islam are called Mukmin (the believers).
And the friends of Dorothy are called Munchkins.
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Re: Has Allah retired his Angels?

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Hombre wrote:
SAM wrote:Isaiah 37:36, And the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand; and when men arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

לו וַיֵּצֵא מַלְאַךְ יְהוָה, וַיַּכֶּה בְּמַחֲנֵה אַשּׁוּר, מֵאָה וּשְׁמֹנִים וַחֲמִשָּׁה, אָלֶף; וַיַּשְׁכִּימוּ בַבֹּקֶר, וְהִנֵּה כֻלָּם פְּגָרִים מֵתִים.
you are full of sh...t. Perhaps you forget that I am fluent in Hebrew and can cross-check anything you post in Hebrew.
First. Chapter in Hebrew Bible is marked with letters - not numbers. That is your first giveaway. Here is the full text of Chapter 36 & 37 in its original Hebrew & Aramaic languages. Show me where the sentence above shows up in the following chapters?
Spoiler! :
ישעיהו פרק לו
א וַיְהִי בְּאַרְבַּע עֶשְׂרֵה שָׁנָה לַמֶּלֶךְ חִזְקִיָּהוּ, עָלָה סַנְחֵרִיב מֶלֶךְ-אַשּׁוּר עַל כָּל-עָרֵי יְהוּדָה הַבְּצֻרוֹת--וַיִּתְפְּשֵׂם. ב וַיִּשְׁלַח מֶלֶךְ-אַשּׁוּר אֶת-רַבְשָׁקֵה מִלָּכִישׁ יְרוּשָׁלְַמָה אֶל-הַמֶּלֶךְ חִזְקִיָּהוּ, בְּחֵיל כָּבֵד; וַיַּעֲמֹד, בִּתְעָלַת הַבְּרֵכָה הָעֶלְיוֹנָה, בִּמְסִלַּת, שְׂדֵה כוֹבֵס. ג וַיֵּצֵא אֵלָיו אֶלְיָקִים בֶּן-חִלְקִיָּהוּ, אֲשֶׁר עַל-הַבָּיִת--וְשֶׁבְנָא, הַסֹּפֵר, וְיוֹאָח בֶּן-אָסָף, הַמַּזְכִּיר. ד וַיֹּאמֶר אֲלֵיהֶם רַבְשָׁקֵה, אִמְרוּ-נָא אֶל-חִזְקִיָּהוּ: כֹּה-אָמַר הַמֶּלֶךְ הַגָּדוֹל, מֶלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר, מָה הַבִּטָּחוֹן הַזֶּה, אֲשֶׁר בָּטָחְתָּ. ה אָמַרְתִּי, אַךְ-דְּבַר-שְׂפָתַיִם, עֵצָה וּגְבוּרָה, לַמִּלְחָמָה; עַתָּה עַל-מִי בָטַחְתָּ, כִּי מָרַדְתָּ בִּי. ו הִנֵּה בָטַחְתָּ עַל-מִשְׁעֶנֶת הַקָּנֶה הָרָצוּץ הַזֶּה, עַל-מִצְרַיִם, אֲשֶׁר יִסָּמֵךְ אִישׁ עָלָיו, וּבָא בְכַפּוֹ וּנְקָבָהּ: כֵּן פַּרְעֹה מֶלֶךְ-מִצְרַיִם, לְכָל-הַבֹּטְחִים עָלָיו. ז וְכִי-תֹאמַר אֵלַי, אֶל-יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ בָּטָחְנוּ: הֲלוֹא-הוּא, אֲשֶׁר הֵסִיר חִזְקִיָּהוּ אֶת-בָּמֹתָיו וְאֶת-מִזְבְּחֹתָיו, וַיֹּאמֶר לִיהוּדָה וְלִירוּשָׁלִַם, לִפְנֵי הַמִּזְבֵּחַ הַזֶּה תִּשְׁתַּחֲווּ. ח וְעַתָּה הִתְעָרֶב נָא, אֶת-אֲדֹנִי הַמֶּלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר; וְאֶתְּנָה לְךָ, אַלְפַּיִם סוּסִים--אִם-תּוּכַל, לָתֶת לְךָ רֹכְבִים עֲלֵיהֶם. ט וְאֵיךְ תָּשִׁיב, אֵת פְּנֵי פַחַת אַחַד עַבְדֵי אֲדֹנִי--הַקְּטַנִּים; וַתִּבְטַח לְךָ עַל-מִצְרַיִם, לְרֶכֶב וּלְפָרָשִׁים. י וְעַתָּה הֲמִבַּלְעֲדֵי יְהוָה, עָלִיתִי עַל-הָאָרֶץ הַזֹּאת לְהַשְׁחִיתָהּ; יְהוָה אָמַר אֵלַי, עֲלֵה אֶל-הָאָרֶץ הַזֹּאת וְהַשְׁחִיתָהּ. {ס} יא וַיֹּאמֶר אֶלְיָקִים וְשֶׁבְנָא וְיוֹאָח אֶל-רַבְשָׁקֵה, דַּבֶּר-נָא אֶל-עֲבָדֶיךָ אֲרָמִית--כִּי שֹׁמְעִים, אֲנָחְנוּ; וְאַל-תְּדַבֵּר אֵלֵינוּ, יְהוּדִית, בְּאָזְנֵי הָעָם, אֲשֶׁר עַל-הַחוֹמָה. יב וַיֹּאמֶר רַבְשָׁקֵה, הַאֶל אֲדֹנֶיךָ וְאֵלֶיךָ שְׁלָחַנִי אֲדֹנִי, לְדַבֵּר, אֶת-הַדְּבָרִים הָאֵלֶּה: הֲלֹא עַל-הָאֲנָשִׁים, הַיֹּשְׁבִים עַל-הַחוֹמָה, לֶאֱכֹל אֶת-חראיהם (צוֹאָתָם) וְלִשְׁתּוֹת אֶת-שיניהם (מֵימֵי רַגְלֵיהֶם), עִמָּכֶם. יג וַיַּעֲמֹד, רַבְשָׁקֵה, וַיִּקְרָא בְקוֹל-גָּדוֹל, יְהוּדִית; וַיֹּאמֶר--שִׁמְעוּ אֶת-דִּבְרֵי הַמֶּלֶךְ הַגָּדוֹל, מֶלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר. יד כֹּה אָמַר הַמֶּלֶךְ, אַל-יַשִּׁא לָכֶם חִזְקִיָּהוּ: כִּי לֹא-יוּכַל, לְהַצִּיל אֶתְכֶם. טו וְאַל-יַבְטַח אֶתְכֶם חִזְקִיָּהוּ אֶל-יְהוָה לֵאמֹר, הַצֵּל יַצִּילֵנוּ יְהוָה: לֹא תִנָּתֵן הָעִיר הַזֹּאת, בְּיַד מֶלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר. טז אַל-תִּשְׁמְעוּ, אֶל-חִזְקִיָּהוּ; {פ}
כִּי כֹה אָמַר הַמֶּלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר, עֲשׂוּ-אִתִּי בְרָכָה וּצְאוּ אֵלַי, וְאִכְלוּ אִישׁ-גַּפְנוֹ וְאִישׁ תְּאֵנָתוֹ, וּשְׁתוּ אִישׁ מֵי-בוֹרוֹ. יז עַד-בֹּאִי, וְלָקַחְתִּי אֶתְכֶם אֶל-אֶרֶץ כְּאַרְצְכֶם: אֶרֶץ דָּגָן וְתִירוֹשׁ, אֶרֶץ לֶחֶם וּכְרָמִים. יח פֶּן-יַסִּית אֶתְכֶם חִזְקִיָּהוּ לֵאמֹר, יְהוָה יַצִּילֵנוּ; הַהִצִּילוּ אֱלֹהֵי הַגּוֹיִם, אִישׁ אֶת-אַרְצוֹ, מִיַּד, מֶלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר. יט אַיֵּה אֱלֹהֵי חֲמָת, וְאַרְפָּד--אַיֵּה, אֱלֹהֵי סְפַרְוָיִם; וְכִי-הִצִּילוּ אֶת-שֹׁמְרוֹן, מִיָּדִי. כ מִי, בְּכָל-אֱלֹהֵי הָאֲרָצוֹת הָאֵלֶּה, אֲשֶׁר-הִצִּילוּ אֶת-אַרְצָם, מִיָּדִי; כִּי-יַצִּיל יְהוָה אֶת-יְרוּשָׁלִַם, מִיָּדִי. כא וַיַּחֲרִישׁוּ, וְלֹא-עָנוּ אֹתוֹ דָּבָר: כִּי-מִצְוַת הַמֶּלֶךְ הִיא לֵאמֹר, לֹא תַעֲנֻהוּ. כב וַיָּבֹא אֶלְיָקִים בֶּן-חִלְקִיָּהוּ אֲשֶׁר-עַל-הַבַּיִת וְשֶׁבְנָא הַסֹּפֵר וְיוֹאָח בֶּן-אָסָף הַמַּזְכִּיר, אֶל-חִזְקִיָּהוּ--קְרוּעֵי בְגָדִים; וַיַּגִּידוּ לוֹ, אֵת דִּבְרֵי רַבְשָׁקֵה
ישעיהו פרק לז
א וַיְהִי, כִּשְׁמֹעַ הַמֶּלֶךְ חִזְקִיָּהוּ, וַיִּקְרַע, אֶת-בְּגָדָיו; וַיִּתְכַּס בַּשָּׂק, וַיָּבֹא בֵּית יְהוָה. ב וַיִּשְׁלַח אֶת-אֶלְיָקִים אֲשֶׁר-עַל-הַבַּיִת וְאֵת שֶׁבְנָא הַסּוֹפֵר, וְאֵת זִקְנֵי הַכֹּהֲנִים, מִתְכַּסִּים, בַּשַּׂקִּים--אֶל-יְשַׁעְיָהוּ בֶן-אָמוֹץ, הַנָּבִיא. ג וַיֹּאמְרוּ אֵלָיו, כֹּה אָמַר חִזְקִיָּהוּ, יוֹם-צָרָה וְתוֹכֵחָה וּנְאָצָה, הַיּוֹם הַזֶּה: כִּי בָאוּ בָנִים עַד-מַשְׁבֵּר, וְכֹחַ אַיִן לְלֵדָה. ד אוּלַי יִשְׁמַע יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ אֵת דִּבְרֵי רַבְשָׁקֵה, אֲשֶׁר שְׁלָחוֹ מֶלֶךְ-אַשּׁוּר אֲדֹנָיו לְחָרֵף אֱלֹהִים חַי, וְהוֹכִיחַ בַּדְּבָרִים, אֲשֶׁר שָׁמַע יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ; וְנָשָׂאתָ תְפִלָּה, בְּעַד הַשְּׁאֵרִית הַנִּמְצָאָה. ה וַיָּבֹאוּ, עַבְדֵי הַמֶּלֶךְ חִזְקִיָּהוּ--אֶל-יְשַׁעְיָהוּ. ו וַיֹּאמֶר אֲלֵיהֶם יְשַׁעְיָהוּ, כֹּה תֹאמְרוּן אֶל-אֲדֹנֵיכֶם: כֹּה אָמַר יְהוָה, אַל-תִּירָא מִפְּנֵי הַדְּבָרִים אֲשֶׁר שָׁמַעְתָּ, אֲשֶׁר גִּדְּפוּ נַעֲרֵי מֶלֶךְ-אַשּׁוּר, אוֹתִי. ז הִנְנִי נוֹתֵן בּוֹ רוּחַ, וְשָׁמַע שְׁמוּעָה וְשָׁב אֶל-אַרְצוֹ; וְהִפַּלְתִּיו בַּחֶרֶב, בְּאַרְצוֹ. ח וַיָּשָׁב, רַבְשָׁקֵה, וַיִּמְצָא אֶת-מֶלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר, נִלְחָם עַל-לִבְנָה: כִּי שָׁמַע, כִּי נָסַע מִלָּכִישׁ. ט וַיִּשְׁמַע, עַל-תִּרְהָקָה מֶלֶךְ-כּוּשׁ לֵאמֹר, יָצָא, לְהִלָּחֵם אִתָּךְ; וַיִּשְׁמַע וַיִּשְׁלַח מַלְאָכִים, אֶל-חִזְקִיָּהוּ לֵאמֹר. י כֹּה תֹאמְרוּן, אֶל-חִזְקִיָּהוּ מֶלֶךְ-יְהוּדָה לֵאמֹר, אַל-יַשִּׁאֲךָ אֱלֹהֶיךָ, אֲשֶׁר אַתָּה בּוֹטֵחַ בּוֹ לֵאמֹר: לֹא תִנָּתֵן יְרוּשָׁלִַם, בְּיַד מֶלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר. יא הִנֵּה אַתָּה שָׁמַעְתָּ, אֲשֶׁר עָשׂוּ מַלְכֵי אַשּׁוּר לְכָל-הָאֲרָצוֹת--לְהַחֲרִימָם; וְאַתָּה, תִּנָּצֵל. יב הַהִצִּילוּ אוֹתָם אֱלֹהֵי הַגּוֹיִם, אֲשֶׁר הִשְׁחִיתוּ אֲבוֹתַי, אֶת-גּוֹזָן, וְאֶת-חָרָן; וְרֶצֶף וּבְנֵי-עֶדֶן, אֲשֶׁר בִּתְלַשָּׂר. יג אַיֵּה מֶלֶךְ-חֲמָת וּמֶלֶךְ אַרְפָּד, וּמֶלֶךְ לָעִיר סְפַרְוָיִם, הֵנַע, וְעִוָּה. יד וַיִּקַּח חִזְקִיָּהוּ אֶת-הַסְּפָרִים מִיַּד הַמַּלְאָכִים, וַיִּקְרָאֵהוּ; וַיַּעַל בֵּית יְהוָה, וַיִּפְרְשֵׂהוּ חִזְקִיָּהוּ לִפְנֵי יְהוָה. {ס} טו וַיִּתְפַּלֵּל, חִזְקִיָּהוּ, אֶל-יְהוָה, לֵאמֹר. טז יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת אֱלֹהֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, יֹשֵׁב הַכְּרֻבִים, אַתָּה-הוּא הָאֱלֹהִים לְבַדְּךָ, לְכֹל מַמְלְכוֹת הָאָרֶץ; אַתָּה עָשִׂיתָ, אֶת-הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֶת-הָאָרֶץ. יז הַטֵּה יְהוָה אָזְנְךָ וּשְׁמָע, פְּקַח יְהוָה עֵינֶךָ וּרְאֵה; וּשְׁמַע, אֵת כָּל-דִּבְרֵי סַנְחֵרִיב, אֲשֶׁר שָׁלַח, לְחָרֵף אֱלֹהִים חָי. יח אָמְנָם, יְהוָה: הֶחֱרִיבוּ מַלְכֵי אַשּׁוּר, אֶת-כָּל-הָאֲרָצוֹת--וְאֶת-אַרְצָם. יט וְנָתֹן אֶת-אֱלֹהֵיהֶם, בָּאֵשׁ: כִּי לֹא אֱלֹהִים הֵמָּה, כִּי אִם-מַעֲשֵׂה יְדֵי-אָדָם עֵץ וָאֶבֶן--וַיְאַבְּדוּם. כ וְעַתָּה יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, הוֹשִׁיעֵנוּ מִיָּדוֹ; וְיֵדְעוּ כָּל-מַמְלְכוֹת הָאָרֶץ, כִּי-אַתָּה יְהוָה לְבַדֶּךָ. כא וַיִּשְׁלַח יְשַׁעְיָהוּ בֶן-אָמוֹץ, אֶל-חִזְקִיָּהוּ לֵאמֹר: כֹּה-אָמַר יְהוָה, אֱלֹהֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, אֲשֶׁר הִתְפַּלַּלְתָּ אֵלַי, אֶל-סַנְחֵרִיב מֶלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר. כב זֶה הַדָּבָר, אֲשֶׁר-דִּבֶּר יְהוָה עָלָיו: בָּזָה לְךָ לָעֲגָה לְךָ, בְּתוּלַת בַּת-צִיּוֹן--אַחֲרֶיךָ רֹאשׁ הֵנִיעָה, בַּת יְרוּשָׁלִָם. כג אֶת-מִי חֵרַפְתָּ וְגִדַּפְתָּ, וְעַל-מִי הֲרִימוֹתָה קּוֹל; וַתִּשָּׂא מָרוֹם עֵינֶיךָ, אֶל-קְדוֹשׁ יִשְׂרָאֵל. כד בְּיַד עֲבָדֶיךָ, חֵרַפְתָּ אֲדֹנָי, וַתֹּאמֶר בְּרֹב רִכְבִּי אֲנִי עָלִיתִי מְרוֹם הָרִים, יַרְכְּתֵי לְבָנוֹן; וְאֶכְרֹת קוֹמַת אֲרָזָיו, מִבְחַר בְּרֹשָׁיו, וְאָבוֹא מְרוֹם קִצּוֹ, יַעַר כַּרְמִלּוֹ. כה אֲנִי קַרְתִּי, וְשָׁתִיתִי מָיִם; וְאַחְרִב, בְּכַף-פְּעָמַי, כֹּל, יְאֹרֵי מָצוֹר. כו הֲלוֹא-שָׁמַעְתָּ לְמֵרָחוֹק אוֹתָהּ עָשִׂיתִי, מִימֵי קֶדֶם וִיצַרְתִּיהָ; עַתָּה הֲבֵאתִיהָ--וּתְהִי לְהַשְׁאוֹת גַּלִּים נִצִּים, עָרִים בְּצֻרוֹת. כז וְיֹשְׁבֵיהֶן, קִצְרֵי-יָד, חַתּוּ, וָבֹשׁוּ; הָיוּ עֵשֶׂב שָׂדֶה, וִירַק דֶּשֶׁא, חֲצִיר גַּגּוֹת, וּשְׁדֵמָה לִפְנֵי קָמָה. כח וְשִׁבְתְּךָ וְצֵאתְךָ וּבוֹאֲךָ, יָדָעְתִּי; וְאֵת, הִתְרַגֶּזְךָ אֵלָי. כט יַעַן הִתְרַגֶּזְךָ אֵלַי, וְשַׁאֲנַנְךָ עָלָה בְאָזְנָי--וְשַׂמְתִּי חַחִי בְּאַפֶּךָ, וּמִתְגִּי בִּשְׂפָתֶיךָ, וַהֲשִׁיבֹתִיךָ, בַּדֶּרֶךְ אֲשֶׁר-בָּאתָ בָּהּ. ל וְזֶה-לְּךָ הָאוֹת--אָכוֹל הַשָּׁנָה סָפִיחַ, וּבַשָּׁנָה הַשֵּׁנִית שָׁחִיס; וּבַשָּׁנָה הַשְּׁלִישִׁית, זִרְעוּ וְקִצְרוּ וְנִטְעוּ כְרָמִים--ואכול (וְאִכְלוּ) פִרְיָם. לא וְיָסְפָה פְּלֵיטַת בֵּית-יְהוּדָה, הַנִּשְׁאָרָה--שֹׁרֶשׁ לְמָטָּה; וְעָשָׂה פְרִי, לְמָעְלָה. לב כִּי מִירוּשָׁלִַם תֵּצֵא שְׁאֵרִית, וּפְלֵיטָה מֵהַר צִיּוֹן; קִנְאַת יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת, תַּעֲשֶׂה-זֹּאת. {ס} לג לָכֵן, כֹּה-אָמַר יְהוָה אֶל-מֶלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר, לֹא יָבוֹא אֶל-הָעִיר הַזֹּאת, וְלֹא-יוֹרֶה שָׁם חֵץ; וְלֹא-יְקַדְּמֶנָּה מָגֵן, וְלֹא-יִשְׁפֹּךְ עָלֶיהָ סֹלְלָה. לד בַּדֶּרֶךְ אֲשֶׁר-בָּא, בָּהּ יָשׁוּב; וְאֶל-הָעִיר הַזֹּאת לֹא יָבוֹא, נְאֻם-יְהוָה. לה וְגַנּוֹתִי עַל-הָעִיר הַזֹּאת, לְהוֹשִׁיעָהּ--לְמַעֲנִי, וּלְמַעַן דָּוִד עַבְדִּי. {ס} לו וַיֵּצֵא מַלְאַךְ יְהוָה, וַיַּכֶּה בְּמַחֲנֵה אַשּׁוּר, מֵאָה וּשְׁמֹנִים וַחֲמִשָּׁה, אָלֶף; וַיַּשְׁכִּימוּ בַבֹּקֶר, וְהִנֵּה כֻלָּם פְּגָרִים מֵתִים. לז וַיִּסַּע וַיֵּלֶךְ, וַיָּשָׁב סַנְחֵרִיב מֶלֶךְ-אַשּׁוּר; וַיֵּשֶׁב, בְּנִינְוֵה. לח וַיְהִי הוּא מִשְׁתַּחֲוֶה בֵּית נִסְרֹךְ אֱלֹהָיו, וְאַדְרַמֶּלֶךְ וְשַׂרְאֶצֶר בָּנָיו הִכֻּהוּ בַחֶרֶב, וְהֵמָּה נִמְלְטוּ, אֶרֶץ אֲרָרָט; וַיִּמְלֹךְ אֵסַר-חַדֹּן בְּנוֹ, תַּחְתָּיו
Who cares if you are fluent or not in Hebrew and Aramaic. The important thing is that one Jewish Angel can kill 185 thousand souls in one night. Unbelievable :nono:

This means that Israel does not need to waste money to buy F-35 fighter jets to kill all Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas, Lebanon and Syria. Just call the God of Israel to send one of His angels to carry out the execution task. :help: :lol:
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Re: Has Allah retired his Angels?

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SAM wrote: This means that Israel does not need to waste money to buy F-35 fighter jets to kill all Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas, Lebanon and Syria. Just call the God of Israel to send one of His angels to carry out the execution task. :help: :lol:
Salaams SAM,

You were right when you quoted Isaiah 37:36 and it is the large number of killing that matters. Translation of the Hebrew words for "dead corpses" appears to be literal, because corpses belong to dead people.

Here it is from Rashi's translation:
36And an angel of the Lord went forth and slew one hundred eighty-five thousand of the camp of Assyria. And they arose in the morning, and behold they were all dead corpses.

לווַיֵּצֵ֣א | מַלְאַ֣ךְ יְהֹוָ֗ה וַיַּכֶּה֙ בְּמַֽחֲנֵ֣ה אַשּׁ֔וּר מֵאָ֛ה וּשְׁמוֹנִ֥ים וַֽחֲמִשָּׁ֖ה אָ֑לֶף וַיַּשְׁכִּ֣ימוּ בַבֹּ֔קֶר וְהִנֵּ֥ה כֻלָּ֖ם פְּגָרִ֥ים מֵתִֽים:/quote]

Source: https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cd ... ter-37.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Has Allah retired his Angels?

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sum wrote:Hello SAM

Please calm down and answer my question. Are the Angels still active and who do you think that they will be helping - Sunni or Shia muslims?

sum
My beloved bro Hombre said, "Zionism was a movement founded by Prophet Hertzl."

Perhaps, Prophet Hertzl forgot to ask for help from the Lord of Israel to send the Killer Angel to destroy the Ottoman Empire for the sake of Israeli land.

Or you need to wait with Jews who are still waiting for the last Military Messiah to re-activate Killer Angels to kill all Christians, Muslims (Suni and Shia) and other soldiers, as they are still aspiring to dominate the world. :sadangel:

Hopefully I have answered your stupid question ... dr. sum :lol:
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Hello SAM

No, you are still avoiding answering my question.

Angels fighting on behalf of muslims are very much part of Islam. If there is only one Islam then it stands to reason that either Sunni muslims are on the wrong path or the Shia are. Therefore it would be of great importance to know which sect the Angels support as that would indicate Allah`s guidance on the matter and so the two sects should know which one is correct by whom the Angels are supporting.

Perhaps Allah and the Angels either could not care less or don`t even exist at all. Do you agree?

sum

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Re: Has Allah retired his Angels?

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sum wrote:Hello SAM

No, you are still avoiding answering my question.

sum
You still have not answered my question. At present who is the false prophet for Sunnis and Shiites to get help from Angles?
Angels fighting on behalf of muslims are very much part of Islam.
Tell me, how many battles did angels join Muslims in war with unbelievers?
Perhaps Allah and the Angels either could not care less or don`t even exist at all. Do you agree?
So you have agreed that the Jewish Angels and Christian Angels actually did not exist at all?

You often ask stupid questions to get stupid answers. If you do not want to answer my question, I'll put you in the ignorant list again.
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SAM, your contributions here are getting very tiresome. In every topic about Islam you make every attempt to derail the thread and talk about other religions.

Your feeble distraction about Isaiah has been answered in some detail, and you post garbage about fighter jets in response.

And all the while you refuse to discuss the actual topic and insult the originator, repeatedly, instead. You are merely exposing your ignorance and inability to even process anything that might question your precious Islam.

in short, your main purpose here is to show people how Islam affects reason. You are also doing a good job exposing your racism and anti-Semitism.
Jesus: "Ask and you will receive." Mohammed: "Take and give me 20%"

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Re: Has Allah retired his Angels?

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BaigZaheer wrote:Salaams SAM,

You were right when you quoted Isaiah 37:36 and it is the large number of killing that matters. Translation of the Hebrew words for "dead corpses" appears to be literal, because corpses belong to dead people.

Here it is from Rashi's translation:
36And an angel of the Lord went forth and slew one hundred eighty-five thousand of the camp of Assyria. And they arose in the morning, and behold they were all dead corpses.

לווַיֵּצֵ֣א | מַלְאַ֣ךְ יְהֹוָ֗ה וַיַּכֶּה֙ בְּמַֽחֲנֵ֣ה אַשּׁ֔וּר מֵאָ֛ה וּשְׁמוֹנִ֥ים וַֽחֲמִשָּׁ֖ה אָ֑לֶף וַיַּשְׁכִּ֣ימוּ בַבֹּ֔קֶר וְהִנֵּ֥ה כֻלָּ֖ם פְּגָרִ֥ים מֵתִֽים:/quote]

Source: https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cd ... ter-37.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
When it comes to Jewish theology & content of the Tanakh (HB) - Both of you are uninformed and utterly ignorant. Like zombies - copy & paste w/o a clue what you are doing.
Sentence 36 talks in the context of God - through his angles protects the Jews by vanquishing the Assyrians whom at that time were Jews enemies.

It is the same Asseryinas who destroyed 10 Jewish Tribes and absorbed them into their own ranks.
Many Syrians of today carry the genes of those tribes.

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Re: Has Allah retired his Angels?

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SAM wrote:My beloved bro Hombre said, "Zionism was a movement founded by Prophet Hertzl."

Perhaps, Prophet Hertzl forgot to ask for help from the Lord of Israel to send the Killer Angel to destroy the Ottoman Empire for the sake of Israeli land.

Or you need to wait with Jews who are still waiting for the last Military Messiah to re-activate Killer Angels to kill all Christians, Muslims (Suni and Shia) and other soldiers, as they are still aspiring to dominate the world. :sadangel:

Hopefully I have answered your stupid question ... dr. sum :lol:
Hay SAMI, a "prophet" here & a "Prophet there", what's the difference?. Muhammad, Hertzl, Mossa, Humus, Falafel they are all good-sounding names. :lotpot:

Just think for a moment. A 40-year-old illiterate man roams the deserts of Arabia and calls himself "prophet", and 1.6B people sing Haleluyah to him - 1400 years after his death, people still tremble just mention of his name. What type of society are you? :ohmy:

On other hands. Since Muslims also "respect & accept" Jews prophets like Moses, they also should accept Prophet Hertzl as well. Both envisioned and lead the Jews from diaspora back to their ancestral land - promised by God.

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