Muslims are taught that the sun rises in Mekkah and sets in Madinah.sum wrote:The question is "Where does the sun set?"
But Allah's throne is directly above Mecca, so it should be setting in Mecca and rising in Medina.Hombre wrote:Muslims are taught that the sun rises in Mekkah and sets in Madinah.sum wrote:The question is "Where does the sun set?"
Mughal wrote:Dear sum, most questions nonmuslims raise about mullah islam are good but most people who claim to be muslims do not have the needed knowledge to think at that level. As I always explain mullah islam is not the islam the quran talks about.
Anyone who reads any mullah explanation of the quran will find it full of flaws, contradictions and inconsistencies. It is because those who are put forth as top most muslim scholars of islam have no knowledge of deen of islam based upon the quran.
Mullah islam was invented by palace mullahs after the passing away of the final messenger of God and I have already explained how it all happened in my other posts on this forum.
The problem with most nonmuslims is they are not willing to look into the quran by themselves to arrive at their own conclusions about the quran as individuals. So in my view all such muslims and nonmuslims are two sides of the same coin. So long as people remain in groups and do not allow each other freedom of learning sense of making proper sense of things and thinking things through thoroughly the situation of humanity will remain difficult always.
The main point is, deen of islam based concepts about God are very different from those pushed forth by mazaahib or different versions of religion. Please read my post on different interpretations of five pillars of islam. They mean something very different when looked at from deen of islam perspective from those mullahs and their die hard followers push forth.
If you look at hindu concepts about God you will see them in indiam movies. Look at the prayer concepts of hindus, parsis, jews, christians, muslims etc etc. Look at their pilgrimage concept. You will find all versions of religion are exactly the same with a different label. In all versions of religion we are told this is how we ought to worship God. There is no concept of God of rule of law in any religious version. This is not the case with the quran. The quran puts forth concept of a God who works according to a rule of law as explained by him in the quran. Nothing can take place unless it takes place according to a set law of God which we call laws of nature. The quran calls these laws kalimaatullah or sunnatullah in the quran ie God has set up laws for each and everything to work according to it. He always did things the very same way.
You see, in all religious versions people try to fit God in their own plans but fail and become uncomfortable and disappointed with God. The God of the quran is very different. He tells people, he has already planned everything about everyone and everything including himself so nothing can derail his plan and purpose. You can cry all you like to persuade God to do something for you but if it does not suit his plan and purpose it cannot happen. Quranic God does not do things haphazardly.
Deen of islam is not a personality cult at all because it is a rule of law based concept which binds God to his role and all other things according to their roles respectively as individuals however each and every mazhab is only and only a personality cult. This is why people worship their religious figures eg gods, prophets or saints etc. All religious people are grave worshippers or hero worshippers through out the world.
The quran does not allow such a thing at all. This is why there is no concept of intercession in the quran. No concept of sin in the quran. You either live by law of God for ensuring well being of humanity or you break his law and face the related consequences. Religion is a curse not a blessing as priests and mullahs or gurus and pundits or rabbis will have us believe. However it will take a very long time for people to become educated and thinking to realise their mistakes about concepts regarding God and to correct them. Our creativity is so far limited with material world only and we have not yet started thinking at a deeper level about having proper concepts about God in light of his revelations.
This is why many of the things I point out are new for most people. One day they will become common. This is why I think people should try their utmost to gain knowledge and become serious thinkers as individuals and they should stop following mullahs and rabbis and priests and gurus etc etc. Till they do that people with knowledge should carry on educating them as every little bit counts.
The quran is not impossible to understand but it is made very hard by its religious minded interpreters both muslims and nonmuslims who take the readers of their interpretations up the very wrong and very long road. To unwind indoctrinated people is not impossible but it is very, very difficult.
I find nothing wrong in the quranic text but I had to spend a lot of time in figuring out things for myself. Others should do the same if they are truly looking for the truth about God and his revelation.
By starting from negative end, one cannot reach positive conclusion in case of God because in this case negative cannot be proven. Moreover proof is not a fact but an explanation of a fact. In case of God a hidden fact or hidden reality. One has to ask oneself, If God really exists and he is hidden for whatever reason but can be explained, could I be right in negating his existence? It is because for things to come to existence there must exist something already, it is because nothing can never give rise to anything at all. To accept that something can come from nothing at all is pure nonsense. However even if we accept existence of God as a possibility then that existence means nothing for us till God reveals himself to us in some way. This is how God reveals to us his existence by way of rationality and revelation. It is therefore up to us to learn to make proper sense of his revealed message. This is where the problem is ie people are not trying to make proper sense of his message to try to understand his plan and purpose properly. Till people do that things will remain very troublesome for them always as they have been always.
regards and all the best.
Yes, the Sun - in fact, our whole solar system - orbits around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. We are moving at an average velocity of 828,000 km/hr. But even at that high rate, it still takes us about 230 million years to make one complete orbit around the Milky Way!
sum wrote:Welcome back, Mughal.
Sahih Al-Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: ‘And the sun Runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing.’" (36.38)
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 327:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
I asked the Prophet about the Statement of Allah:--
‘And the sun runs on fixed course for a term (decreed),’ (36.38) He said, "Its course is underneath Allah's Throne."
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 520:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
I entered the mosque while Allah's Apostle was sitting there. When the sun had set, the Prophet said, "O Abu Dharr! Do you know where this (sun) goes?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "It goes and asks permission to prostrate, and it is allowed, and (one day) it, as if being ordered to return whence it came, then it will rise from the west." Then the Prophet recited, "That: ‘And the sun runs on its fixed course (for a term decreed)," (36.38) as it is recited by ‘Abdullah.
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 528:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
I asked the Prophet regarding the Verse:--'And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term decreed for it.' (36.28) He said, "Its fixed course is underneath Allah's Throne."
Sahih Muslim
Book 001, Number 0297:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one day said: Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) that the people do not discern anything (unusual in it) till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it would be said to it: Rise up and emerge out from the place of your setting, and it will rise from the place of its setting. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said. Do you know when it would happen? It would happen at the time when faith will not benefit one who has not previously believed or has derived no good from the faith.
All this suggests that Muhammad was a very convincing story teller and/or the muslims were truly gullible. Or, perhaps, Muhammad was somewhat deranged - and Allah.
Are you able to explain these inaccuracies from both Allah and Muhammad?
sum
Revisionists. They have to make it fit with modern knowledge.iffo wrote:Regarding muddy water. The explanation I find online that it implies what the person saw,. It does not mean Allah is saying it sets in muddy water
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