None can start something out of nothingness, except the original Creator. The real person and prophet called Adam who wrote parts of the psalms, is the result of a process, originating from a variety of inorganic material, and water, fashioned and formed, into an entity that reproduced, and then made complete with the spirit of moral consciousness from the Creator.
sum wrote:Hello Garudaman
Your quote -
humans feels their sensation of their thought in their head/brain, & feels their sensation of their intention in their chest/breast/heart, & is not their thought that makes humans blind, but their intention,
This is nonsense. Thoughts lead to conclusions and intentions, not the other way round. You can not have an intention without the brain having to think either consciously or subconsciously to decide if there is or is not a correct belief or intention. You are putting the cart before the horse.
sum wrote:Your quote -
people need the proper heart for the proper brain-function/reasoning,
Please explain why the heart is needed for proper reasoning. The only function the heart has with regard to this topic is to keep the brain alive and well so that it can reason properly. The heart has no other link at all to reasoning.
sum wrote:If people can not see that if the sun sets in a muddy pool then that claim can not be from a god then their reasoning is very wrong and so would that indicate a faulty heart or just a faulty brain?
that verse is not talking about the heart as organ, but the heart as the place where the sensation of intention is felt.
that verse of the Quran said that the sun looks like sets in muddy pool from the Cyrus's point of view.
Garudaman wrote:sum wrote:Hello Garudaman
Your quote -
humans feels their sensation of their thought in their head/brain, & feels their sensation of their intention in their chest/breast/heart, & is not their thought that makes humans blind, but their intention,
This is nonsense. Thoughts lead to conclusions and intentions, not the other way round. You can not have an intention without the brain having to think either consciously or subconsciously to decide if there is or is not a correct belief or intention. You are putting the cart before the horse.
that verse talk about the sensation not the source of human intention.sum wrote:Your quote -
people need the proper heart for the proper brain-function/reasoning,
Please explain why the heart is needed for proper reasoning. The only function the heart has with regard to this topic is to keep the brain alive and well so that it can reason properly. The heart has no other link at all to reasoning.
that verse is not talking about the heart as organ, but the heart as the place where the sensation of intention is felt.sum wrote:If people can not see that if the sun sets in a muddy pool then that claim can not be from a god then their reasoning is very wrong and so would that indicate a faulty heart or just a faulty brain?
that verse of the Quran said that the sun looks like sets in muddy pool from the Cyrus's point of view.
that verse of the Quran said that the sun looks like sets in muddy pool from the Cyrus's point of view
Manfred wrote:Show me the bit where is says "from Cyrus's point of view" please.
The Grand Quran is a book of spiritual guidance and all of its statements are meant at stimulating spiritual growth, not scientific knowledge so the idea that it must provide a detailed description of the origin of life is misplaced.
None of its statements however, no matter the subject treated, are at odds with factual information, whether historical, archeological, scientific etc.
The verses speaking of the origins of life constantly and consistenly describe a gradual process, fashioning, forming, reproduction (where the alaqa and the sperm are involved) and completition with the spirit from God.
Eagle wrote:So where is the Quranic statement that the sun sets in an earthly location
frankie wrote:The verse is quite clear, it says nothing of the sun looking like it sets in a muddy pool, the Quran is wrong on both counts as proved again by Allah and Mohammed by Abu Dawud.
The tafsir clarifies this verse by stating Zul- qarnain found "unbelievers" at the place where the sun sets, who should be killed or pardoned depending on whether they accept Allah as the only god to worship, which is the what the "message" of the Quran Is fundamentally about.
Quran 18.86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness
Tafsir 18.86
Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
Till, when he reached the setting place of the sun) where the sun sets, (he found it setting in a muddy spring) a blackened, muddy and stinking spring; it is also said that this means: a hot spring, (and found a people thereabout) these people were disbelievers: (We said: O Dhu'l-Qarnayn!) We inspired him (Either punish) either kill them until they accept to believe that there is no deity except Allah (or show them kindness) or you pardon them and let them be.
Mohammed is reported to have said the sun sets in a spring of warm water because Allah told him so.
But Allah was wrong, the sun sets nowhere, it is an illusion, which should be stated in the Quran to make this clear; by saying the sun sets in a spring/murky water the Quran proves it does not come from an omncient being, but from the imagination of men who didn't know any better.
Sunan Abu Dawud : Dar-us-Salam reference / Hadith 4002
Narrated Abu Dharr:
I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).
Indexes
Dar-us-Salam reference Sunan Abu Dawud Hadith 4002
Ahmad Hasan translation Hadith 3991
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