It is to be noted that there was at the time great hope and anticipation among the monotheist communities of the Hijaz and the wider region that a prophet and salvific figure fulfilling the prophecies of the HB and the NT would soon rise, hence the zealous acceptance of Muhammad who obviously fulfills them.
Eagle wrote:The Hebrew understanding of the notion of God as a fatherly figure has nothing to do with the Christian one. In their monolatrous concept of God, Jews are the preferred sons above all nations charged with being the torch bearers of the truth, and their father is in charge of educating them throughout that process, sometimes in the harshest of ways. To Christians God is the father firstly in relation to the son/Jesus whom he has begotten and of whom he is the head in the trinity. The 2 concepts have nothing to do with oneanother and Jews loath that misappropriation of the term by trinitarian Christians. Even the extension of God as a paternal figure to regular Christians has nothing to do with the notion as described in relation to the Jewish nation.
The Quran rebukes the people of the book for that attitude, abusing the phrase "son of God" metaphorically on themselves 5:18, with each claiming a special relationship with God while his mercy and guidance do not belong to a race or group but to all, and neither does His justice discriminate among any group regardless of their claims.
The Hebrew understanding of the notion of God as a fatherly figure has nothing to do with the Christian one
Nothing was shown as to the nature of the discussions between the prophet Muhammad and those 3 supposed sources
Islam actually holds reason and judgment on a much higher level than any secular or other religious philosophy.
There hasnt been 1 example of the prophet of God learning any so called apocrypha from anyone, then reproducing it in the Quran.
One quick question.Eagle wrote:All historical records available show that the prophet Muhammad had made only three trips outside Mecca before his Prophethood: At the age of 9 he accompanied his mother to Medina. Between the age of 9 and 12, he accompanied his uncle Abu-Talib on a business trip to Syria. At the age of 25 he led Khadija’s Caravan to Syria. Like with the discredited and improbable claims regarding Waraqa and the Christian scribe of Mecca, it is highly imaginary to assume there was any meaningful contact and religious dialogue between him and anyone, like Bahira, that led to the developement of any of the Quran's intricately well knit discourse on any of the Christian themes and figures, conviniently discarding all the historical blunders and improbabilities of both canonical and apocryphal scriptures that allegedly were the subjects of discussion. And which testimonies are there to corroborate the conspiracy claim? Who witnessed the exchange and why did that other private teacher equally recognize the prophet hood of Muhammad? It is to be noted that there was at the time great hope and anticipation among the monotheist communities of the Hijaz and the wider region that a prophet and salvific figure fulfilling the prophecies of the HB and the NT would soon rise, hence the zealous acceptance of Muhammad who obviously fulfills them
Well of course, he would be ignorant of the religion - until the time that he made it up. Equally, of course, he would not have been ignorant of the bits of other religions that he plagiarised and tacked on to his invention.Eagle wrote:the Quran's affirmation, well known and never challenged that he was ignorant of the religion prior to his call.
And (remember) when 'Isa , son of Maryam , said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you confirming the Taurat [which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed . But when he came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic."
53:36"This is a warner of the warners of old"
. As said in Deuteronomy regarding the awaited prophet54:42-5"Are the unbelievers of yours better than these, or is there an exemption for you in the scriptures?...Soon shall the hosts be routed, and they shall turn (their) backs"
"If any man will not listen to my words which he speaks in my name, I myself will make him answer for it".
2:146"those to whom We have given the scripture recognize him as they recognize their own sons"
. After all, potentially anyone can stand up and say that he is a Prophet of God
Sikhism is "not about hearing voices from God, but it is about changing the nature of the human mind, and anyone can achieve direct experience and spiritual perfection at any time". Guru Nanak emphasised that all human beings can have direct access to God without rituals or priests.
and will reappear in the future messianic era Joel3:1."We have not seen our signs; there is no longer a prophet, and no one with us knows how long"
5:19"O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you explaining to you after a cessation of the (mission of the) messengers, lest you say: There came not to us a giver of good news or a warner, so indeed there has come to you a giver of good news and a warner; and Allah has power over all things"
This means the prophets spoken of in the NT such as Zechariah, John the Baptist, or even Jesus and ultimately Muhammad are false prophets.
but this unity disintegrated in the face of man's subsequent development.2:213"one single nation"
Here as in many places, the Quran mentions the concept of "returning" which implies man's straying from his original inclination. The Quran speaks of itself as the "reminder" of mankind and asks repeatedly to recall the forgotten, corrupted or hidden truths that caused the people's straying from a path they were still somewhat cognizant about but referred to as 27:68"ancient stories" due to generations of supression of the truth by mixing it with innovations and falsehood30:41"Corruption has appeared in the land and the sea on account of what the hands of men have wrought, that He may make them taste a part of that which they have done, so that they may return".
21:24"this is the reminder of those with me and the reminder of those before me. Nay! most of them do not know the truth, so they turn aside".
All of them are true prophets, no mention of grades despite the different visions they received. We also read that the spirit of God descending on an individual is always a pre-condition for prophethood. Even a regular person receiving the spirit of God automatically becomes a prophet Numb11:16-30. Other prophets received revelation through angels. In dreams, Jacob was regularily visited by angelic messengers Gen31:11. Same for Zechariah's angelic visions later on throughout the book attributed to him. Moses himself is described as receiving his ever first communication with God through an angel Ex3:2. In fact we read that when God intends to speak with a prophet, He does so through an angel Numb22:20,35 and the prophet Iddo was convinced of a man's prophethood based on his claim to have received an angelic revelation 1Kings13:18. When the prophets David and Solomon were visited in dreams by "the Lord" obviously doesnt mean God physically apeared to them but that he made His will known to them through some means, like the angels 1Kings3:5.Hosea12:10"I spoke to the prophets, gave them many visions and told parables through them".
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