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Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:05 pm
by Fernando
SAM wrote: Before the advent of Islam, Christians fought and killed each other.
After which, Muslims took over and fought and killed each other. Le plus ca change...

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:09 pm
by SAM
Fernando wrote:
SAM wrote: Before the advent of Islam, Christians fought and killed each other.
After which, Muslims took over and fought and killed each other. Le plus ca change...
You're a stupid atheist who does not know about bad history of Christian evils. :lol: After the emergence of Islam, Christians in Europe are still killing each other.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:16 am
by manfred
SAM, this is a topic about the Kaaba, and I see you cannot reply to it properly, so you try to swamp it with your usual stuff. Do not post here unless you have something to say. Also, if you now had your three personal insults, the next one results in a ban. I am seriously getting tired of reminding you how to behave in a civilised way.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:13 pm
by Fernando
SAM wrote:
Fernando wrote:
SAM wrote: Before the advent of Islam, Christians fought and killed each other.
After which, Muslims took over and fought and killed each other. Le plus ca change...
You're a stupid atheist who does not know about bad history of Christian evils. :lol: After the emergence of Islam, Christians in Europe are still killing each other.
None so deaf as those who will not hear. Just for starters:
Yemen war: 5,000 children dead or hurt and 400,000 malnourished, UN says
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/16/yemen-war-children-dead-injured-malnourished
But I must agree with Manfred: this is getting off-topic. Sorry, Manfred.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:23 pm
by frankie
SAM wrote:
Fernando wrote:
SAM wrote: Before the advent of Islam, Christians fought and killed each other.
After which, Muslims took over and fought and killed each other. Le plus ca change...
You're a stupid atheist who does not know about bad history of Christian evils. :lol: After the emergence of Islam, Christians in Europe are still killing each other.


SAM
After the emergence of Islam, Christians in Europe are still killing each other


Oh the irony, Muslims have been at each others throats since Islams inception, when Mohammed died there was a power vacuum that has never been filled, hence the Ridda wars, continued today within all the different sects of Islam, non more so than Sunni via Shia.

Your "Christians in Europe" analogy is a false one, as violence in the name of YHWH is anathema in Christian theology, but is not in the name of the name of the Islamic god Allah,it has a divine mandate, hence the continued Muslim on Muslim killings across the Islamic world today

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:58 pm
by manfred
The reason why I thought I mention this thing about the Kaaba is this: It is puzzling why someone with reasonably average intelligence would suggest something so ridiculous as "proof" for a religion, of all things. All it takes is to fly one plane over it or to take a few pictures of birds flying over it, and the case is closed. Elsewhere SAM spoke of converts to Islam... if this kind of thing is told them and they accept it, then it seems Muslims select people with very low intelligence to join them, quite on purpose, probably that is the only chance Islam has.

And SAM seems to realise this as he instantly changed the topic here, and posted the kind of things he always posts. Christianity does not try to "prove" a belief, which by definition is impossible. Instead it sets out honestly and simply the sources for the belief.

By contrast, Islam makes all kinds of wild claims about the Qur'an and Mohammed. These are in effect also no more than "witness" statements of Mohammed and his followers. So, if we examine them in the same way as the bases of Christianity, Islam instantly falls apart: it claims things that are factually false, historically false, ethically unconscionable and within themselves contradictory. We have at length discussed these, but few Muslims seem to engage in any honest, straight forward assessment.

So it is ironic that the things SAM accuses Christian doctrine of applies times 1000 to Islam, but he unable to see that.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:11 am
by iffo
Religion damages human brain with out person even knowing it. Islam has done this job remarkably well compared to other religions. I know people who are doctors, or engineers and phds or head of the state belieiving in these stupid stories, because their brain has been already damaged. They are too scared to question anything. They are happy to live in this fairy fools world. That's why world has reached Mars and Muslims could not even invent a toilet paper, living in fools paradise.

They envy west for its achievements and powrer and wealth. Islam is their only source of pride. Since they have achieved nothing they feel good to think that atleast when it comes to religion they are #1. So they want to believe in these stories so they can feel good about themselves.

If you tell a group of muslims this kaba center of earth story. Their reaction will be 'subhan allah, subhan allah' and they will be happy all day.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:44 am
by Nosuperstition
Kerala and Indonesia are/were "Christian lands"?


No I was only pointing out that non-pagans were allowed to settle amongst pagan lands atleast in small number and were allowed to trade while the same did not happen in case of medieval Christendom.And in some cases as had happened in case of pagan Asmaka kingdom in Telangana in India,non-locals found new dynasties after marrying widows of local tribal chieftains.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:47 am
by manfred
Actrually, as I mentioned, Muslim trade has existed in Europe too. There were Muslim traders in Spain as well as in Roman territories such a Greece, Cyprus or Sicily from the early days. However these were small numbers.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:59 am
by Fernando
iffo wrote:I know people who are doctors, or engineers and phds or head of the state belieiving in these stupid stories, because their brain has been already damaged.
But do they really believe it, iffo, or are they just pretending so that they maintain their power or out of fear? Or is it some kind of schizophrenia, where they have a little bit of brain that's only activated when religion is concerned, whereupon it takes over?

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:11 pm
by sum
I think that iffo is right. Just recall the terrorist attack at Glasgow airport - the terrorists were medics.

There were bright sparks among the 9/11 terrorists.

They were prepared to die for the sake of Allah. As I have said many times, we are just robots controlled by our brain which is simply a computer and which can be programmed. Once programmed, it is exceedingly difficult to remove the programme.

Trying to reason with someone who is indoctrinated is like giving medicine to a dead man.(I can not remember who said this) - I have found out.

Thomas Paine

“To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.”

sum

Edited 1.5.2018

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:05 pm
by Nosuperstition
manfred wrote:Actrually, as I mentioned, Muslim trade has existed in Europe too. There were Muslim traders in Spain as well as in Roman territories such a Greece, Cyprus or Sicily from the early days. However these were small numbers.


Spain,Greece,Cyprus,Sicily were militarily conquered by muslims before being expelled much later.Did traders exist prior to their conquest?

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:23 pm
by manfred
In Cyprus, Malta and Sicily we have some scant reference to merchants before Muslims took the place over. Not in Spain. After the reconquista, Muslims (alongside with Jews who got caught up in the middle and tarred with the same brush) were asked to leave or convert. Most left. Those who converted were never really trusted, and these also mostly left some time later. The Muslims expelled from Spain mostly settled in Morocco, but some also went to Greece, and the parts that later would become Turkey. Others found a home in Italy, under the protection, surprisingly, of the most corrupt pope in history, Alexander VI.

As I said, on the whole Europe had a slightly different experience of Muslims than India or SE Asia. In India, the traders came first, then the soldiers. In SE Asia, the conquest was accomplished by deception and the bloodshed was then carried out by former Hindu rulers who had been converted to Islam.

In Europe, for the most part Muslims repeated attacked in the West and the East of the continent, with various success. Muslims had made a name for themselves as bloodthirsty, cruel conquerors, and therefore most, but not quite all, trade was does "at arm's length".

Low level trade tends not to find its way into historical records, so details are difficult to find.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:35 am
by Nosuperstition
sum wrote:I think that iffo is right. Just recall the terrorist attack at Glasgow airport - the terrorists were medics.

There were bright sparks among the 9/11 terrorists.

They were prepared to die for the sake of Allah. As I have said many times, we are just robots controlled by our brain which is simply a computer and which can be programmed. Once programmed, it is exceedingly difficult to remove the programme.

Trying to reason with someone who is indoctrinated is like giving medicine to a dead man.(I can not remember who said this)

sum


I do not believe human beings are that stupid.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 8:36 am
by sum
Hello Nosuperstition

Your quote -
I do not believe human beings are that stupid.

Their actions prove you wrong.

Islam believes in indoctrination. The far left believes in indoctrination. The Jesuits believe in indoctrination. Naik believes in indoctrination.

Are they all wrong?

sum

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 12:24 pm
by Nosuperstition
Islam believes in indoctrination. The far left believes in indoctrination. The Jesuits believe in indoctrination. Naik believes in indoctrination.


Their beliefs remain firm only so long as they remain insulated.'frog in the well' as they say.Once they are exposed to other ideas as adults,they will begin to doubt the veracity of their long held childhood dogmas.

Isn't that the reason why diotima64 said that people are intelligent as people are what they are , basically people.Why did the need for burning of heretics arise at all if people were really that damn stupid.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 12:32 pm
by Nosuperstition
And yes to escape tags such as godless sinner and what not , people will sometimes act as if they believe in the supernatural.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:19 pm
by Nosuperstition
In India, the traders came first, then the soldiers.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Kerala

While some % of Muslims definately increased due to Moplah riots that idesigner1 frequently mentions,many Arabs also settled in Kerala as traders etc and many of the Keralite muslims are actually mixed progeny of both Arabs and local subcontinentals.So pagan Hindus seemed to have allowed not a small number but too many muslim settlers in their midst which did not happen with regards to much of medieval Christendom.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 6:30 pm
by idesigner1
What was the argument?

Christians fought among themselves as well with Jews before the advent of Islam.Jews and Pagans were practically crushed in Europe.Read history of Europe at the time of crusades and after.Read the history of Christianity during reformation

After Islam came into power they fought with Jews and Christians proclaiming theirs is the only one but one SOB true up in the sky!! :yuk:

The difference is now Christianity is not at war with other religions but Muslims are.

Re: Some things about the Kaaba...

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:17 am
by Hombre
SAM wrote:Islam is not like Christianity that requires historical facts to prove its truth.
That sentence alone finally reveals to me that, this guy is a troll - masquerading as "a devout Muslim". He is no Muslim - just a miserable guy sits alone at his apartment in Amsterdam to play games with others.

I would very much suggest to fellow bloggers - treat this troll with extreme caution - even ignore his post.

The game is up SAM (or whatever your name is). Reveal your face or find another pasture to graze.