Some things about the Kaaba...

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Some incredible stuff Muslims say about the Kaaba...
The Hajj and Umrah pilgrims have to reach Makkah to offer their rituals. So why it is that the Saudi Authorities did not build an Airport there?

Well, it isn’t that they cannot afford an airport there or so, but if you recall the wonders of the world, one of the wonders is that the Holy Kaaba is located in the center of the world. Yes, it is exactly in the middle of the earth: not an inch left or right!

So, if you have gone through some basic physics, you must know that the earth is actually a gravitational field and that the center of such a field has the most gravity and is the hub of magnetic charges.

So being the magnetic center, the layers of the earth above it creates vacuum upon them. Because of the vacuum, the airplanes naturally cannot fly over them.

So you see that is the very reason that city of Makkah is not equipped with an Airport.

The science has already claimed that planes cannot fly over the Holy Kaaba due to the Magnetic field that is created over it as it is at the center of the Earth. Surely, Allah is the greatest of all the planners.
http://lifeinsaudiarabia.net/blog/2018/ ... in-makkah/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"I am sure many people did not know that every prophet and messenger sent by God had made the pilgrimage to Makkah, that the prophets migrated to Makkah with their followers, that more than 70 of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) are buried on the plains of Mina just outside Makkah with some buried close to the Kaaba, and that birds living in the vicinity of the Kaaba never fly over the building but fly around it in the same direction as Muslims performing tawaf (circumambulation) in a sign of reverence and respect to the House of God.

Makkah is the center of the universe and its time should be the internationally accredited time instead of Greenwich which was imposed on the world by Britain. The direction of tawaf has to do with the movement of stars. The footprint of Prophet Ibrahim near the Holy Kaaba when he and his son Ismail were rebuilding it as commanded by God stands as a lasting miracle. Zamzam water has been gushing from the same well for thousands of years without a change of taste or color."
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/inde ... 107AA456Aa" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder if Muslims generally believe this stuff or if this is one of the more ridiculous things Muslims sometimes spout about?

In case you wonder why there are no planes near Mecca, it has no airport. Why not? The Saudis forbid all air travel over Mecca, in case someone bombs the Kaaba.
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The Saudis forbid all air travel over Mecca, in case someone bombs the Kaaba.
Yes then they would have surely installed anti-aircraft guns as well as anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems in and around Mecca.However during the Falklands crisis when the U.K was on the verge of losing out to Argentina by virtue of Argentina having superior submarines purchased from France,Margaret Thatcher the then Prime Minister of U.K threatened to nuke Argentina unless France gives away the disabler coders of the submarines.France had to comply to avert a nuclear disaster.

So who knows much of the foreign armaments the Saudi purchased have disabler codes enabled on them which can be used by those foreign powers to manipulate them.So are those systems really that effective?Is the Kaaba really that safe?
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.
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Does Allah need the Saudis to protect hos house?
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manfred wrote:Does Allah need the Saudis to protect hos house?
Allah is the God of all the peoples of the Universe.So may be he resides in the houses and hearts of all good people and therefore he might not bother much about protecting one house.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.
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The Kaaba was and still is the centre for pre Islamic pagan ritual to be played out by those who accept the "greatest "of the pagan idols aka Allah as the only god, with Mohammed the prophet of this god.

Nothing has changed here since the time of Mohammed, it is a place suspended in time,i.e. 7th century Arabia, when inanimate objects such as stones, stars and planets were taken as objects to be worshipped as gods, all of which have been retained for the invention of a deluded pagan Arabian, who craved power, wealth,sex and control of peoples lives, which has managed to control the minds of its victims for 1400 years, and is still doing so.

The roots of Islam are provably pagan, which is so ironic you could not make it up, since pagans are on the Islamic hit list to be exterminated in the name of an actual pagan entity, the now claimed for Islam the Meccan "creator" god Allah, the pagan counterpart which pretends to be the Bible God YHWH.

Fortunately for the world, this once hidden truth is now being exposed on a daily basis via the internet through the efforts of many courageous people, ex Muslims and non Muslims alike who have at last realised the danger this insidious faith called Islam poses to the world.

For those who wish to further their knowledge of the pagan connection within Islam, here are several excellent web sites which gives the extensive evidence.

http://rrimedia.org/Worldviews/Islam/Pi ... -its-roots" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


http://rrimedia.org/Worldviews/Islam/Pi ... e-of-islam" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://rrimedia.org/Worldviews/Islam/Hi ... ristianity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Bible God YHWH.
Isn't God of Torah also known as El or Elohim in Jewish?Muslims in India also call Allah as Elahi and Arab Christians of M.E also call God as Allah.Both Allah and El seem to be phonetically similar.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.
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Elohim is a plural form of El. The "proper name" for God is not to be spoken in the Jewish religion, so whenever it appears even today a reader would substitute "adonai" ("the Lord") . Elohim is an "honorific" plural, and also a way of avoiding to speak the name of God (YHWH), which was used in particular by one author of the Torah, whose name we do not know, so he commonly called the "Elohist", while another who always uses YHWH is called the "Jawist". There a subtle but interesting differences in their theological approaches.

As to Allah being "Elohim" this is often proposed by Muslims but simply false. "El" means "god", just any god. Elohim is "gods", but is also used as a tern to describe the one Hebrew God.

The Arab word for "god" is إِلٰهَ which has ONE "l" only just as "el". It is pronounces "ila(ha)" . This matches "el" as very often the shift in sound from Hebrew to Arabic involves a move from "e" to "i" and from "a" to "e".... you can find countless words with that shift. This because Arabic is a development from Hebrew via Syriac to "classical Arabic"....

As to "Allah" used by Arabic speaking Christians, this is true, but the reason is that when the first Arabic translation of the bible was produced, it was under Islamic rule in the 11th century, and the Muslim overlords insisted in "Allah" being used as a translation for ALL the references to God in the bible. However, the "Allah" of Arab Christians is not the "Allah" Muslims pray to.

Interestingly, in more recent times, Muslims in Malaysia have been successful in a legal challenge to FORBID Christians to use "Allah" in their services and religious texts. So while early Arabs wanted to ensure that Christian texts "testify" for Mohammed's claims, later Muslims, realising that Christianity is fundamentally different from Islam, tried to erase the very "Allah" they first inserted.
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manfred wrote:I wonder if Muslims generally believe this stuff or if this is one of the more ridiculous things Muslims sometimes spout about?

In case you wonder why there are no planes near Mecca, it has no airport. Why not? The Saudis forbid all air travel over Mecca, in case someone bombs the Kaaba.
You idiots nobody can protect the Kaaba except Allah, remember the history that Abraha, Abyssinian, the Christian ruler, of Yemen who wants to destroy the Kaabah. Unlike Solomon's Temple, no one can protect from the destruction twice from Babylon and the Roman armies. :lol:
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LOL, SAM, are you serious? The fancy story of "Abraha" is "history"? Elephants (or an elephant) walked from YEMEN (which has no elephants) to Mecca. Across the Arabian desert. Hot sand, little water. An Elephant needs about 250 litres of water and 150 kilos of green vegetation a day. Where did they get that from? And elephants have very sensitive feet unsuitable for hot, soft desert sand. They could not walk on that for even one mile. Elephants do not sweat, and they get sunburns easily. That is why they like to wallow in mud and bathe a lot.

And birds throwing stones at these non-existing elephant(s)? Honestly SAM.....

Surely you can recognise a fairy story when you see one. Aren't you a bit old to believe such stuff? Do you believe Aladdin is "history" too?

And surely you know that the Kaaba has been destroyed and rebuilt several times, and that the "black stone" was once taken and returned in pieces.
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manfred wrote:"El" means "god", just any god. Elohim is "gods", but is also used as a tern to describe the one Hebrew God.
People of high stature in Hindi,Urdu and even Telugu languages use the word 'we' instead of 'I am'.Since both the sub-continentals and Middle Easterners evolved from the same bronze age,perhaps originally Elohim was intended to denote many deities but then in order to showcase God with a raised stature the royal plural is used to denote God.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.
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manfred wrote:LOL, SAM, are you serious? The fancy story of "Abraha" is "history"? Elephants (or an elephant) walked from YEMEN (which has no elephants) to Mecca. Across the Arabian desert. Hot sand, little water. An Elephant needs about 250 litres of water and 150 kilos of green vegetation a day. Where did they get that from? And elephants have very sensitive feet unsuitable for hot, soft desert sand. They could not walk on that for even one mile. Elephants do not sweat, and they get sunburns easily. That is why they like to wallow in mud and bathe a lot.

And birds throwing stones at these non-existing elephant(s)? Honestly SAM.....

Surely you can recognise a fairy story when you see one. Aren't you a bit old to believe such stuff? Do you believe Aladdin is "history" too?

And surely you know that the Kaaba has been destroyed and rebuilt several times, and that the "black stone" was once taken and returned in pieces.
Prove that the path from Yemen to Mecca even in the days of the above story was completely desertified.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.
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Are you serious? Do you think Arabia was a land of green grass and rivers during Mohammed's days? Maybe you also want to suggest that little girls aged 8 or 9 were more "mature" back then?

The Arabian peninsula has not always been a desert, but to find a period when it was lush and green, you need to go back a lot further than old Mo....

As with the Sahara, the desert in Arabia formed about 23000 years ago. Long before that Arabia was closely attached to Africa, until about 33 million years ago, and it had the kind of fauna as you find in Kenya or Tanzania today. But by the the time the desertification began, most of these animals, including elephant had died out long ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/earth/story/201502 ... h-paradise" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Then the elephants got watered and fed by the bad jinns and Satan himself so that the house of God in the form of the Kaaba can be destroyed.As to how lush green vegetation and water can spring out of nowhere in the desert you have to watch the movie the mummy returns.

Or may be the aliens who did not like Allah genetically engineered the elephants so that they become beings without hunger and without thirst.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.
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Nosuperstition wrote:Then the elephants got watered and fed by the bad jinns and Satan himself so that the house of God in the form of the Kaaba can be destroyed.As to how lush green vegetation and water can spring out of nowhere in the desert you have to watch the movie the mummy returns.

Or may be the aliens who did not like Allah genetically engineered the elephants so that they become beings without hunger and without thirst.
:lotpot: :clap:

I also wonder why elephants and a whole army were so terrified by a flock of birds and some pebbles that they ran away....
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I also wonder why elephants and a whole army were so terrified by a flock of birds and some pebbles that they ran away....
Never heard of genetically modified crops or what?Those birds are no ordinary birds.They are genetically modified giant birds,the kind of which you hear in the stories of Sindbad's sails or the Arabian Nights.And those which you call pebbles are in fact giant boulders.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.
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The science has already claimed that planes cannot fly over the Holy Kaaba due to the Magnetic field that is created over it as it is at the center of the Earth. Surely, Allah is the greatest of all the planners.
Air India just received full permission from Saudi Government to fly over its territory (Mekkah) between Tel-Aviv & New-Delhi - carrying Jewwwwwwwwwwwwws :lotpot:

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manfred wrote:And surely you know that the Kaaba has been destroyed and rebuilt several times, and that the "black stone" was once taken and returned in pieces.
Unlike the Solomon Temple completely destroyed by the Roman soldiers of Titus. These are all the curses of Jesus, As Jesus left the temple and was walking away, His disciples came up to Him to point out its buildings. "Do you see all these things?” He replied. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be toppled.”

After Solomon's Temple was destroyed, the Jerusalem was under Christian custody for several hundred years before Patriarch Sophronius was officially handed over to Omar without bloodshed. About 400 years later the Church wanted to seize and conquer Jerusalem from Muslims, (Crusades), not for Jews, but for themselves.

There is no Jew who sought to reclaim Jerusalem either from Christians or Muslims before 1947. After 2,000 years they live in ghetto and tortured by western countries. Now foolish and moron Christians especially in the EU, UK and the US are ready to fight and die for the sake of Zionist Jews... :yuk:
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Meanwhile, back in the desert...
Saudi issues drone restrictions following palace incident


RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia’s Interior Ministry on Sunday instructed drone enthusiasts to obtain permission to fly the devices until regulations were finalised, a day after security forces shot down a recreational drone near the king’s palace in Riyadh.

Amateur online videos of heavy gunfire in the capital’s Khozama district on Saturday sparked fears of possible political unrest in the world’s top oil exporter. A senior Saudi official told Reuters there were no casualties when the drone was shot down and that King Salman was not in the palace at the time.

A security screening point had noticed the flying of a small unauthorised recreational drone, leading security forces to deal with it “according to their orders and instructions”, state news agency SPA had said.

An Interior Ministry spokesman said a law for the use of drones was in its final stage and called on users to obtain the necessary police clearance to use the devices “for particular reasons in permitted locations”, state news agency SPA reported.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-saudi ... KKBN1HT06M
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SAM wrote:Unlike the Solomon Temple completely destroyed by the Roman soldiers of Titus.
Nobody ever claimed the temple in Jerusalem was indestructible. You know it was destroyed one before then, and rebuilt?

But I am glad you mention that.... So the temple in Jerusalem was COMPLETELY destroyed in 70 AD. And yet, some 500 years later, this guy called Mohammed claimed to have "prayed" in it, many Muslims say. Others say it was the Al Aqsa mosque he prayed in, but that was not built until some 50 years after Mohammed's death, so unless he went there as a zombie.... Either way, Mohammed's claim is obviously false, and yet Muslims, including you, it seems, say his claim is a"historical fact"...

So SAM, would you agree that Muslims have a problem with understanding the words "historical" and "fact"?
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manfred wrote:
SAM wrote:Unlike the Solomon Temple completely destroyed by the Roman soldiers of Titus.
Nobody ever claimed the temple in Jerusalem was indestructible. You know it was destroyed one before then, and rebuilt?
manfred wrote:But I am glad you mention that.... So the temple in Jerusalem was COMPLETELY destroyed in 70 AD. And yet, some 500 years later, this guy called Mohammed claimed to have "prayed" in it, many Muslims say. Others say it was the Al Aqsa mosque he prayed in, but that was not built until some 50 years after Mohammed's death, so unless he went there as a zombie.... Either way, Mohammed's claim is obviously false, and yet Muslims, including you, it seems, say his claim is a"historical fact"...

So SAM, would you agree that Muslims have a problem with understanding the words "historical" and "fact"?
Al Aqsa Mosque has existed before being rebuilt by Prophet Sulaiman. He rebuilt Al-Aqsa, at the command of Allah as he knew that Muhammad (Spiritually) would ascend to meet Allah from there.

You are still ignorant about the teachings of Islam. :lol:
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