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How does de-radicalising muslims work?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:21 pm
by sum
I have long wondered how this would be carried out.

Is the muslim involved allowed to live at home? Is the muslim permitted to go to the mosque? Will he be allowed to have his peers visit him at home?

How can the Koran be used to show that Islam is peaceful when it has far more hatred and violence levelled at non-muslims?

The established programmed brain is notoriously difficult to change its programme as facts and reason tend to make little or no impact as the brain has the facility to filter out anything that contradicts what is already programmed into the brain.

"Trying to use reason against someone who is brainwashed is like giving medicine to a dead man."

Any comment anyone?

sum

Re: How does de-radicalising muslims work?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:22 am
by manfred
Hi sum,
we had ample evidence here that rational discussions about Islam with Muslims are pretty much impossible. "Debating" with Muslims only shows how their minds work to observers. Muslims seem to be impervious to critical investigations of the Qur'an and the life of Mohammed.

So how can you "de-radicalise" a Muslim? I wish I knew. Not all Muslims are prepared to follow Mohammed's violent teachings to the full extent, but those who do look down on their "brothers" as somehow less of a Muslim than they are. As a non-Muslim is "worse than an animal" they are unlikely to even be listened to, much less allowed to teach them about Islam. And those Muslims who are not (as yet) proposing indiscriminate violence against "unbelievers" will also be seen as "kafirs".

Someone who closes not only their mind, but even their eyes and ears to others cannot learn anything. As you suggest, you can inject a dead man with anything you like, but nothing will return him to life.

Therefore I sadly have to conclude that a "de-radicalisation" cannot be done, at least not in an ethical way. Sure you could try brain surgery to render them incapable of aggression, is that is possible, but that would not be a morally defensible choice. At the end of the day, there is only prison. Keep them locked up until they either die or show clear signs of change. Just as with dangerous mentally ill people, warehousing is about all we can do. At least it keeps the general public safe from them.

Re: How does de-radicalising muslims work?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:44 pm
by Nosuperstition
If the most fearsome of the brainwashing cults has only 52% believers in Europe who have really been to a mosque ,then one needn't worry that much until rapes and murders are initiated by muslims on a large scale.De-radicalisation will certainly work provided work is begun from an early stage with the kids having enough intellect to grasp what is being taught.Perhaps for that to happen you should increase iron rich diet to those kids.

Re: How does de-radicalising muslims work?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:43 pm
by manfred
Nosuperstition wrote:If the most fearsome of the brainwashing cults has only 52% believers in Europe who have really been to a mosque ,then one needn't worry that much until rapes and murders are initiated by muslims on a large scale.De-radicalisation will certainly work provided work is begun from an early stage with the kids having enough intellect to grasp what is being taught.Perhaps for that to happen you should increase iron rich diet to those kids.


Let's not worry? Rotherham? Oldham? Sweden, the rape capital of the world? Nothing to worry about?

And sure, you can prevent a lot of damage if you can get to children... but Muslims also know that, and they train their kids to hate from a very early age. Ever watched any Palestinian children's TV?

The problem is this... when a "radical" catched people's attention, they are invariably adults. What do you do with them?

Re: How does de-radicalising muslims work?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:24 pm
by sum
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From the video 3:44, 10/10 Inside the Quran:

We Muslims have been ordered to do brainwashing.

Equality of women is a bunch of foolishness.

The summit of Islam is Jihad.


Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it” (Proverbs 22:6, KJV).

There is a Jesuit saying,
The Jesuit motto "Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man," which is based on a quotation by Francis Xavier."

This indoctrination would apply to any child exposed to whatever doctrines that they are taught. Hence this would apply to Muslims equally.

All societies have always been aware of the effectiveness of brainwashing children.

sum

Re: How does de-radicalising muslims work?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:15 pm
by sum
There seem to be plenty of quotes regarding indoctrination of children and how it lasts into adulthood but there is a dearth of posts regarding how effective de-radicalisation programmes are. This might be because it will probably take years to evaluate.

From my own understanding, I do not believe that these de-radicalisation programmes will work for the vast majority. To de-radicalise a muslim he must be cleansed of all Islam which I can not believe is feasible. He must be forced to ignore Allah who tells muslims that they can not pick and choose which of his guidance in the Koran to accept or reject otherwise they are on the wrong path - not good. Can the de-radicalisation programme render a muslim either a hypocrite or apostate both of which demand execution? I think not.

sum

Re: How does de-radicalising muslims work?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:30 am
by Nosuperstition
Rotherham? Oldham? Sweden, the rape capital of the world? Nothing to worry about?


Perhaps if the laws of the land are lax,they will take a certain advantage of the prevailing circumstances.Tighten the laws and the problem is solved.

Re: How does de-radicalising muslims work?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:57 am
by Fernando
Nosuperstition wrote:
Rotherham? Oldham? Sweden, the rape capital of the world? Nothing to worry about?


Perhaps if the laws of the land are lax,they will take a certain advantage of the prevailing circumstances.Tighten the laws and the problem is solved.
Are you suggesting that the law allows rape? That would be lax law indeed. However, lax enforcement could be to blame - but I'm afraid a cynic might say that lax enforcement came about because of the "prevailing circumstances".

Re: How does de-radicalising muslims work?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:39 pm
by Nosuperstition
Are you suggesting that the law allows rape? That would be lax law indeed. However, lax enforcement could be to blame - but I'm afraid a cynic might say that lax enforcement came about because of the "prevailing circumstances".


Give the rapist a lifer or even a death sentence.If the prevailing laws do not handover such punishments,there will be those who will take advantage of laws and continue with their improper ways.Even lifers and death sentences can not deter those who are deranged a lot due to porn etc.

Re: How does de-radicalising muslims work?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:04 pm
by manfred
It is not the LAW in Western countries that unclear or "lax", it something different altogether.

Muslims do not have the same definition of rape as other people do. Have you watched that little clip I posted about sharia in Aceh? There are several Muslim women speaking, and they all say that rape is a woman's fault for allowing herself to appear in any way attractive in public. This is something drilled into Muslims from a very young age. Any woman dressing in Western clothing, even only partially, is "asking for it" and should not complain if she "gets it". A rape in a Muslim country would really only be a very rare thing, because it would have to be a woman fully "covered", possibly in her own house, but with at least one male or two female witnesses. And if a woman makes an accusation of rape she is taking a huge risk: if she does not win her case, she will be accused of fitna and punished for that, possibly with publish lashes or even crucifixion, or she may be accused of adultery and sentenced to be stoned to death.

So it is not surprising you don't a lot of convictions for rape in a Muslim court.