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Two Lies

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:44 pm
by Val
The destruction of our way of life in the West takes only two simple lies. The first lie makes the second one permanent and successful. It's important to start with the first lie to understand how it reinforces and cements the success of the second lie. Here are the two lies:

1. People are born "gay".
2. Muhammad was a messenger from the same God as Christians.

If you have been fooled by the first lie then you have no standing or legitimacy with those who have been fooled by the second lie. Let's get started.

As a hands-on participant in the Human Genome project, I need to dispel any myth about a connection between genetics and depravity. Extensive studies have been done on the Human Genome Data Set (HGDS) to find a genetic link to homosexuality. That science is completed. There is no link. No "gay" gene exists. The mainstream media has kept this a secret for quite some time. Homosexuality is, in fact, 100% learned behavior in every case, no exceptions. While there was a frenzy of activity to find a "gay" gene when HGDS was put online, that activity has largely stopped, no further studies are being funded. It's finished. We have the answer. At this point it's more likely that a necrophiliac or beastialist was "born that way" than a homosexual because no studies have been done on those relative to genetics.

Muslims are absolutely correct that homosexuality is nothing more than common depravity. That is the island of truth upon which they stand and it has given them extraordinary power. The paragraph above turns that island into the Bikini Atoll. I completely understand why Muslims laugh at the foolishness of the West. They have 100% legitimacy to ridicule us for being fooled by such simple lies from the mainstream media, movie industry, and Western governments. The West will never be successful in dispelling the second lie until after they have ejected the first one. We have to deal with our own demons before we will have any legitimacy for defeating Islam.

Val

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:03 pm
by Fernando
I think the two ideas are quite separate. Modern bending over backwards to favour homosexuality is essentially the same as bending over backwards to favour Islam: cultural Marxism and its nephew cultural relativism. A small nucleus with an urge to destroy what has gone before them, surrounded by a host of blinkered would-be do-gooders.
Neither group giving a tinker's curse about the identity of deities.

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:11 am
by manfred
Hi Val,

About being "born gay", as far as I recall from papers I read this is somewhat more complex. I agree that there is most likely no "gay gene" as despite substantial efforts no such thing has been found.

However the general scientific argument is as follows: Homosexuality is closely linked to stress in pregnancy. If a woman is severely stressed in early pregnancy, she is much more likely to give birth to a child that will later turn out to be "gay". The source of the stress can be various, and of course what upsets one person a lot may not upset another very much. It has been found, though, that stress changes hormonal balances which affect the development of the foetus. So the "being gay", is not genetic, it is in a sense environmental.

Some scientists have suggested that the hormonal response that results in a "gay" person has had in the past a useful effect on humans: If a clan experiences problems, say because of food shortages, the "gay" newborn can help to hunt or gather food, but does not himself add further to the population making the problem worse.

As to being "depraved"... I will concede that just like any human being also a gay person has the potential to be depraved, but I could not call two gay men living together in a caring relationship "depraved".
A depraved person is someone who exploits others for gratification, or who uses a position of power to get sex. Sure there are gay people like that, as there are "straight" ones. But there are also others. So simply take each person on his or her merits... it is what people do that counts not so much how they see themselves.

As to homosexuality in the bible.... this is not really a topic, as the very concept of a "homosexual" is a 19th century one. What IS mentioned are some comments about people who are NOT GAY having gay sex.

Also some texts have been misinterpreted in the early middle ages: For example, the passage of Lot and Sodom and Gomorrah is unrelated to homosexuality, and has never been understood in that way in the Jewish tradition. If you look closely, it mentions that the people of Sodom went to Lot's house with they families... as if you would take your kids and mother in law with you when you are planning a gay gang rape. Also, Lot sends out his DAUGHTER to talk to the people, not as a sex substitute. I mean, who in their right mind would say to some gay guys bent on raping some men "Look , here is my daughter, have some fun with her as you wish... just don't touch my male guests..." It would make a nonsense of the story.

In reality the people came not for sex, but because they were curious and upset they they did not get invited to the feast...

In Islam, Mohammed picked up the WRONG medieval interpretation of the story of Lot, as sometimes told specially by Nestorian monks, and incorporated it in the Qur'an. As a result to this day gay people get murdered.

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:58 am
by Fernando
Hi Manfred,
ISTR hearing something on the radio about the effects of the foetal environment. I think the story was that occasionally a twin foetus dies and is reabsorbed but the remaining twin is affected by the hormones of the first one. It doesn't make a lot of sense put like that, but it sounded credible when properly recounted.
An unrelated article, showing that unexpected things can happen, is here:
https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20000508/death-of-one-twin-before-birth-leaves-survivor-at-high-risk-for-cerebral-palsy#1
Digging further, it seems there's even a "vanishing twin syndrome" and it's said one foetus can actually be absorbed by the other - in which case hormonal disturbances are hardly surprising. Remarkably, it's claimed that the surviving twin can suffer a sense of loss for the twin it's never known.

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:55 pm
by Nosuperstition
As a hands-on participant in the Human Genome project, I need to dispel any myth about a connection between genetics and depravity. Extensive studies have been done on the Human Genome Data Set (HGDS) to find a genetic link to homosexuality. That science is completed. There is no link. No "gay" gene exists. The mainstream media has kept this a secret for quite some time. Homosexuality is, in fact, 100% learned behavior in every case, no exceptions. While there was a frenzy of activity to find a "gay" gene when HGDS was put online, that activity has largely stopped, no further studies are being funded. It's finished. We have the answer.


According to pilgrim,the theory of nucleus and atom proposed by one scientist was later modified upon or discredited by another.Rutherford,Bohr and nuclear physicists all differed with regards to the model of existence within an atom.He used it to suggest that science can also be dogmatic while not being truthful.Then somebody suggested that science always improves upon previous models and there is simply does not exist any perfect science.Now are you suggesting that science has perfectly established today that no such thing as gay gene exists?

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:33 pm
by Nosuperstition
Muslims are absolutely correct that homosexuality is nothing more than common depravity.


From the point of view of the New Testament,accumulating treasures in this world is depravity.Hence it will be very difficult for the rich to go to heaven.They should distribute off those treasures for feeding the poor of contemporary times rather than being filthy rich and taking pleasure in showing off that wealth.But then there are also parents who accumulate enough wealth for their children who might not get decent employment.So can you also say that they are still deprave.

And if one goes by such strict definitions,one must also not buy condoms etc used in heterosexuality and instead use that money to feed more mouths and save more resources for the future of mankind.That can also be considered depravity.So where exactly are you going to stop?

Being a fat cat when millions are starving world-wide can also be considered depravity.So are you also going to stop people from consuming their choice of foods and then make the govt. pay the medical expenses?

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:49 pm
by Fernando
Nosuperstition wrote:Now are you suggesting that science has perfectly established today that no such thing as gay gene exists?
You want him to prove a negative. However, I think it would be fair to say that no such "gene" has been found and that finding one is very unlikely. This is because tendencies to behaviour are more likely to be associated with a combination of genes and are ofte better associated with the complexities of developmental evolution that depend on environment and circumstances.

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:06 pm
by Val
Nosuperstition wrote:
Now are you suggesting that science has perfectly established today that no such thing as gay gene exists?


Not suggesting but plainly stating that science has PERFECTLY ESTABLISHED that no such thing as a gay gene has ever existed. This fact was scientifically proven even before the Human Genome project through Twin Studies. Pro-depravity activists have completely dominated the media and popular culture by force of will. They seek to spread the learned behavior by teaching it to children. That's why they are so active with adoption, becoming school teachers, and forcing the Boy Scouts to accept pro-depravity activists as scoutmasters.

Homosexuality, beastiality, necrophilia, and pedophilia are 100% learned behavior in every case, no exceptions. It's interesting to see the vast array of additional nonsense people will make up to try and defend genetic causation. They just can't believe they've been fooled by propaganda from a special interest group.

The Two Lies are a perfect construct to destroy Western Civilization. The people are completely fooled. Muslims are absolutely empowered by the knowledge that they are correct about homosexuality. That one thread of truth is all they need to believe the whole grotesque mess that is Islam.

BTW, there's no escape from this predicament. The soft oh-so-delicate western mind has no backbone to correct any of this. It's already too late. Demographers foresee the abandonment of all of Europe to the Muslims - it will cause a mass migration of remaining Europeans to the Americas. Muslims will gain EU nukes and they will launch them to destroy the Americas in the name of their god who is Satan.

Val

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:51 pm
by manfred
Homosexuality, beastiality, necrophilia, and pedophilia are 100% learned behavior in every case, no exceptions.


I have some objection to all these being lumped together., as if they belong together somehow... Paedophilia is harming children and is always about an abuse of of power. Homosexuality is not necessarily that, in fact it rarely is. And as to the causes of homosexuality, the scientific consensus is that is generally NOT learned, but cause by environment factors, such as a hormonal imbalance in pregnancy.

Bestiality, necrophilia and paedophilia are generally seen as a mental illness, whereas homosexuality is not, at least not any more. I am not sure what science suggests are the causes of these three,bestiality, necrophilia and paedophilia, but the sad truth is we simply don't know much about the causes of most mental disorders.

While bestiality and necrophilia are repulsive to most people, a rational assessment must conclude that the damage they do is limited. This is not the case for paedophilia,as this can cause serious mental and physical damage to children. As to homosexuality, the damage that can cause (and the fulfilment it can bring to some) is no different to that of heterosexuality, with only one difference: offspring.

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:55 pm
by Nosuperstition
Muslims are absolutely empowered by the knowledge that they are correct about homosexuality. That one thread of truth is all they need to believe the whole grotesque mess that is Islam.


Then remind muslims that they are incorrect about polygamy.

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:38 pm
by sum
Hello Val

Has the science that you quoted also claimed that there is no combination of genes that is one of the causes of homosexuality?

sum

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:57 pm
by Val
sum wrote:Hello Val

Has the science that you quoted also claimed that there is no combination of genes that is one of the causes of homosexuality?

sum


Multiple studies of the Human Genome Data Set have searched for combinations as well. No dice. The current balance of scientific knowledge indicates no genetic connection to the learned behavior of homosexuality. The whole concept was propaganda from the beginning. Pro-depravity activists are seeking to move beyond science to promote the idea that overpopulation is the best rationalization for spreading learned behaviors that prevent people from having children. Expect that to be the next front in their war but be assured they have developed a long list of further rationalizations that are sure to appeal to most people.

The Quran, Hadiths, Sira, and Reliance of the Traveler are 100% fabricated nonsense but it takes only one thread of provable truth to cause Muslims to believe all of the lies. This is the ancient concept of mixing truth with lies such that people believe the whole mess. Outside of the West, pretty much nobody believes in the born gay hoax. Ancient wisdom from all cultures, religions, and countries agree that homosexuality is simply bad behavior. It's not just Christians and Jews but also Buddhism, Hindu, Zoroastrian, and Shinto in agreement on this matter. You must reject science, religion, and history to believe in the hoax.

Val

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:44 pm
by Nosuperstition
Demographers foresee the abandonment of all of Europe to the Muslims - it will cause a mass migration of remaining Europeans to the Americas. Muslims will gain EU nukes and they will launch them to destroy the Americas in the name of their god who is Satan.


I have read in the old forum that sex in Africa is as free as breathing air much similar to what happens in Europe as of today.Also they said that homosexuality is considered un-African.Hence they too will help in adding numbers to the clan as manfred put it,if the situation so demands.Just like Muslims,Africans were also exploited with regards to their mineral resources.Why is it that only Muslim immigration happens and not the African one (which in fact also has the backing of some Popes) boggles my mind.May be the Africans can keep the demography of Europe in balance.

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:48 pm
by Nosuperstition
Val wrote: The current balance of scientific knowledge indicates no genetic connection to the learned behavior of homosexuality.


That is what I was hinting at.

Re: Two Lies

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:47 pm
by Nosuperstition
beastiality


I have read in a Telugu daily in my childhood that in the Old City of Hyderabad,a muslim man did it with a donkey and one fine day he was caught red-handed and beaten black and blue.I was a bit surprised in the beginning that even a muslim man does such a thing,but right now I can understand that living in the midst of kafirs might have corrupted him in an age when no such item related internet porn was available.