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Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 7:25 pm
by sum
Hello muslims

How do muslims know that a young girl is ready to cope with full sex? I have seen it said that it is when she has started her periods. What is the physical difference between a young girl one week not having periods and the young girl having her first period in the following week?

I have also seen it quoted that full sex is only permitted when the young girl is able to cope. How is the ability to cope with full sex determined? Is it by trial and error? Is penetration tried in order to determine if the young girl is able to cope?

Can the young girl refuse to have full sex? Does a young girl`s emotional maturity matter in these circumstances?

Here is what HEDAYA (ref. 11, p. 141) writes
:

One can enjoy a wife by force

But not if she be refractory.—If a wife be disobedient or refractory and go abroad without her husband’s consent, she is not entitled to any support from him, until she return and make submission, because the rejection of the matrimonial restraint in this instance originates with her; but when she returns home, she is then subject to it, for which reason she again becomes entitled to her support as before. It is otherwise where a woman, residing in the house of her husband, refuses to admit him to the conjugal embrace, as she is entitled to maintenance, notwithstanding her opposition, because being then in his power, he may, if he please, enjoys her by force.

Muslims, do you agree with Hedaya or do you agree that there actually is such a thing as rape within marriage?

sum

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 10:56 am
by Garudaman
when she wants it/likes it!

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 12:55 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

I am disappointed with your answer because you have not addressed the points that I raised. Please let me have an answer which does address the points that I raised.

If the husband wants to have sex with a very young wife please tell me if she has to allow it to happen.

sum

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:40 pm
by Fernando
Garudaman wrote:when she wants it/likes it!
Will she really want it, if the last thing that happened in those parts was somebody hacking at her with a razor blade? Will she be sure she will like it, after that?

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 2:16 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

Please respond in full to my questions. I am waiting with interest.

sum

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 11:47 am
by sum
Hello Garudaman

Where are you? Will you be answering my questions or are you suffering from the truth about sex in Islam?

sum

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:48 pm
by Garudaman
QS. 4:19. O you who have believed, it is not lawful for you to inherit women by compulsion. And do not make difficulties for them in order to take [back] part of what you gave them unless they commit a clear immorality. And live with them in kindness. For if you dislike them - perhaps you dislike a thing and Allah makes therein much good.

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:43 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

You still have not told me when a young girl is ready for sex and whether she can refuse her husband if he demands it.

sum

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:07 pm
by Garudaman
that verse (QS. 4:19) already told you, when she was feel ready/want it, and she can refuse her husband if her husband demands it.

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:36 pm
by frankie
Garudaman wrote:that verse (QS. 4:19) already told you, when she was feel ready/want it, and she can refuse her husband if her husband demands it.


Garudaman

Seems your prophet did not obey his god.

Which Muslima would risk being cursed by angels and beaten by her husband, by refusing him his rightful tilth?

Not many, if any I suspect, if they want to avoid the hell fire.

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "If a man Invites his wife to sleep with him and she refuses to come to him, then the angels send their curses on her till morning."

https://muflihun.com/bukhari/62/121


Narrated 'Uqba:

The Prophet said: "The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract)."

https://muflihun.com/bukhari/62/81

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:41 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

Please have the courage to tell us, in your own words, when a girl is first ready for full sexual intercourse.

It seems to be a subject that embarrasses muslims because they know that what Muhammad did was wrong but they dare not say so.

sum

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:54 pm
by Garudaman
when she was feel ready/want it! why are you keep repeating the same question which already answered, like a retarded?

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:30 am
by sum
Hello Garudaman

I ask this question because muslims - you included - never give a proper and serious answer.

Do you think that there should be an age limit based on biology and medical advice?

sum

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:51 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

Where are you?

Please answer my question.

sum

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:28 pm
by sum
I think that Garudaman has done a runner.

sum

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:57 pm
by Garudaman
sum wrote:Hello Garudaman

I ask this question because muslims - you included - never give a proper and serious answer.

Do you think that there should be an age limit based on biology and medical advice?

sum

of course, as QS. 4:19 states, live with them in kindness!

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:12 pm
by Fernando
Garudaman wrote:
sum wrote:Hello Garudaman

I ask this question because muslims - you included - never give a proper and serious answer.

Do you think that there should be an age limit based on biology and medical advice?

sum

of course, as QS. 4:19 states, live with them in kindness!
In which case, the scholars will have come to some conclusions about the age before which sex is unkind to a little girl. What age have they concluded, Garudaman?

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:55 am
by sum
Hello Garudaman

Your quote -
of course, as QS. 4:19 states, live with them in kindness!

After living with a young pre-pubertal wife, in kindness, please tell me when she is ready for full sexual intercourse. It is your own opinion that I would like and not a totally vague and unhelpful quote from the Koran.

In the light of modern medical advances, do you think that the advice from modern medical science should override Muhammad`s example of consummating his marriage to Aisha when she was only 9yrs old and he was 53yrs old?

sum

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:06 pm
by Nosuperstition
In the light of modern medical advances, do you think that the advice from modern medical science should override Muhammad`s example of consummating his marriage to Aisha when she was only 9yrs old and he was 53yrs old?


In RT,they often show young couples in India who could have been illegal child marriages but both of same age.I still fail to understand as to what a man finds attractive in a girl so young and vice versa.Perhaps this has got more to do with my upbringing involving reading weekly magazines such as Swati,Andhra Jyothi,Andhra Prabha and Andhra Bhuumi all being laced with relatively light contented sex with descriptions of a fully grown woman.

Re: Muslims, when is a young girl ready for full sex?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:26 am
by Garudaman
sum wrote:Hello Garudaman

Your quote -
of course, as QS. 4:19 states, live with them in kindness!

After living with a young pre-pubertal wife, in kindness, please tell me when she is ready for full sexual intercourse. It is your own opinion that I would like and not a totally vague and unhelpful quote from the Koran.

In the light of modern medical advances, do you think that the advice from modern medical science should override Muhammad`s example of consummating his marriage to Aisha when she was only 9yrs old and he was 53yrs old?

sum

as QS. 4:6, QS. 4:19, QS. QS. 4:21 said, that example is fake example. ;)