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Origins of Islam examined

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:21 am
by pr126
Examining the Newest Historical Research on Islam and the Earliest Quranic Manuscripts - Jay Smith


Published on Dec 22, 2016

With so much of the world focused on ISIS these days, a group which uses and is absolutely dependent on the Qur'an and their prophet Muhammad for their authority, it is important to look at just how authoritative they both are historically. I will look at the newest data we have on Muhammad, as well as the Qur'anic manuscript evidence, including a look at the 6 earliest Manuscripts, and the new Qur'anic folios which are being dated using Carbon 14 dating (including the Birmingham folios highlighted by BBC in July 2015), which suggest that Qur'anic Suras are not only older than the Qur'an, but older than Muhammad and Islam as well! I will compare these with our Biblical material to show just how much more historical evidence we have for our Bible and Jesus Christ, than exists for their Qur'an and Muhammad.



Re: Origins of Islam examined

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:21 pm
by Fernando
Thanks very much, pr. For once, I sat through a long video straight way!
For anyone in a hurry, there's nothing much new before about 40mins in, apart from a bit more about Petra than I'd seen before. The good stuff starts at about 45mins and gets hot at about 1 hour. Preaching begins at 1hr 4mins.
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Spoiler! :
New information is that the famous Tokapi, Samarkand etc mss have finally been examined by (Muslim) experts and been found to be more recent than claimed and to have numerous alterations. The really new stuff is that several Saana "Koranic" fragments have been repeatedly radiocarbon dated by multiple labs and may well be pre-Koranic. He suggests that they are some of the sources from which the Koran was borrowed. He says that at the time of the video (uploaded 22 Dec 2016) these datings were unpublished.