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Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:55 pm
by glitch
Nosuperstition wrote:
manfred wrote:Did you not read even the paragraph you plucked that sentence from?

Suspicious of the loyalty of Christians to the Roman state, Diocletian started persecuting them. He demanded that all Christian soldiers resign from the Roman army. He forbade gatherings for Christian worship and ordered the destruction of churches and sacred writings. Christian members of the government were tortured and executed.

Other edicts followed when Christian uprisings took place in the eastern parts of the empire where Christianity was strongest. Bishops and priests were arrested, tortured, and martyred. In 304, Rome decreed that all Christians sacrifice to the pagan gods or face death.


The "uprisings" were little more than demonstrations, at most minor skirmishes, as we would say today. Christians had no national identity like the Jews, no military leaders, no weapons, no army. They served as a scapegoat for a succession of emperors, and resistance on the whole was minimal because it was futile.


Actually all pagan gods are demons and hence pagans supposedly sacrifice to demons and hence Christians are asked not to sacrifice to pagan gods.That was the reason why Christians did not participate in pagan rituals considered binding for those in the society and why they were persecuted,not because they served as convenient scapegoat.


1. What would you call a supposed God that asks for you to sacrifice a child? I'd call it a demon.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:53 pm
by Fernando
glitch wrote:1. What would you call a supposed God that asks for you to sacrifice a child? I'd call it a demon.
I'd call it a delusion.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 2:34 pm
by glitch
Fernando wrote:
glitch wrote:1. What would you call a supposed God that asks for you to sacrifice a child? I'd call it a demon.
I'd call it a delusion.


You would, but can you explain why all these delusions happen but then all of a sudden the Hebrews come along and they are the only people to say don't kill babies?

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2016 10:25 am
by Nosuperstition
glitch wrote:
Fernando wrote:
glitch wrote:1. What would you call a supposed God that asks for you to sacrifice a child? I'd call it a demon.
I'd call it a delusion.


You would, but can you explain why all these delusions happen but then all of a sudden the Hebrews come along and they are the only people to say don't kill babies?


The later injunctions in the Hebrew texts about not killing or sacrificing babies to Molech/Malik/the Lord meaning God are due to coming under civilisational influence of the Parsis.That is what cultures have been doing for centuries i.e doing away with unsavoury things when they come into contact with other cultures.

Sadly the same Hebrews who owe so much to the Persians are now plotting against their descendants.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2016 11:55 am
by idesigner1
Present day Shia Muslim rulers hate everything about Ancient Persian culture. They are slaves of Arabs.

No wonder Israelis hate them. They are not descendants of Darius who saved them.They day the bury Arab religion, there can be friendship between two.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2016 6:38 pm
by glitch
Nosuperstition wrote:
The later injunctions in the Hebrew texts about not killing or sacrificing babies to Molech/Malik/the Lord meaning God are due to coming under civilisational influence of the Parsis.That is what cultures have been doing for centuries i.e doing away with unsavoury things when they come into contact with other cultures.

Sadly the same Hebrews who owe so much to the Persians are now plotting against their descendants.


No they aren't. they aren't plotting against them iran is plotting to kill all jews,

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:51 am
by survivor
idesigner1 wrote:Present day Shia Muslim rulers hate everything about Ancient Persian culture. They are slaves of Arabs.

No wonder Israelis hate them. They are not descendants of Darius who saved them.They day the bury Arab religion, there can be friendship between two.





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Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:16 pm
by Nosuperstition
idesigner1 wrote:Present day Shia Muslim rulers hate everything about Ancient Persian culture. They are slaves of Arabs.

No wonder Israelis hate them. They are not descendants of Darius who saved them.They day the bury Arab religion, there can be friendship between two.


Well the Ayotollah did say that women of higher class veiled themselves in ancient Persia,however Islam was even more egalitarian in that it after the advent of Islam ,even women of lower class put themselves in the burqa.Shows that the Ayotollahs are not averse to giving whatever is due to their pre-Islamic ancestors.

Well glitch said that Israelis aren't plotting against Iran.Someone wrote/posted a thread in the Comments on World Politics section that the whole of M.E must be given to Jews to set right those people.Now Iran is also in M.E.That is what I had in my mind when I said that the Jews are plotting against Iran.

Also M.E includes Saudi Arabia which has a mutual defence pact with nuclear armed fellow muslim country of Pakistan.That only means that Jews or anyone else cannot conquer Saudi Arabia without first de-nuclearising Pakistan which in turn is fraught with dangerous situations.

Any nuclear radiation that might result in during that process will only create economic disasters not just for the sub-continent but even beyond.Else why would I bother about Jews plotting against their enemies?

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:41 am
by idesigner1
There were no mandatory face coverings for pre Islamic Iranian women. Parsi women never wore face covers when they came to India. They were mostly of aristocratic I.e. Brahmin and warrior class.

Iraq try's to defend itself against aggressive Iran. If all ME Muslim countries propose nuclear ban treaty,Israel may sign it but on other hand it can be death warrant. You can't trust Muslims.Iran was won by deceit and trickery not by defeating them on battle front.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:24 pm
by Nosuperstition
idesigner1 wrote:There were no mandatory face coverings for pre Islamic Iranian women. Parsi women never wore face covers when they came to India. They were mostly of aristocratic I.e. Brahmin and warrior class.

Iraq try's to defend itself against aggressive Iran. If all ME Muslim countries propose nuclear ban treaty,Israel may sign it but on other hand it can be death warrant. You can't trust Muslims.Iran was won by deceit and trickery not by defeating them on battle front.


Noone is asking you to sign any regional nuclear test ban treaty.I only hope so that Trump or some other immature person who boasts about having ideas or solutions that will make Pak nuke free won't resort to some knee-jerk solution that will result in a catastrophic nuclear radiation spanning over a wide area for many many generations to come.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:38 pm
by Nosuperstition
idesigner1 wrote:There were no mandatory face coverings for pre Islamic Iranian women. Parsi women never wore face covers when they came to India. They were mostly of aristocratic I.e. Brahmin and warrior class.


I wrote:That is a corruption due to living amongst the pagans or kafirs.Hence all pagans need to be converted.Else they will remain half-converts or pseudo converts.


viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16762&p=222454&hilit=pseudo#p222454

After thorough Islamisation,Muslims of Iran asked as to how people hanging on to a different set of beliefs were allowed to live in their midst.That is defacto ultimatum to Parsis to convert or leave.Most possibly to avoid inherent corruption due to presence of Kafirs in their midst.According to the pictures I saw in the Chandamaama children's books,Parsi women did wear a hijab like thing when they sought refuge before Zaadi Raana,the Hindu ruler of Gujarat.They promised to change their language and dress in sync with Gujarati ones if allowed to hold on to their religious beliefs.And perhaps that is the reason why later Parsi women in India look more or less Indian without hijab or burqa.Perhaps you have looked at those pictures and have mistakenly arrived at the belief that pre-Islamic Persian women did not wear a burqa or headscarf.

If Yazidis who live in the midst of Muslims also wear burqas due to the overwhelming influence of the surrounding muslim society in which they live,surely Parsi women too would have weared the burqa.The burqa long pre-dates Islamic invasion in the M.E.It is also worn by aristocratic women such as Rajyasree ,sister of famous Buddhist king Harsha vardhan of India in pre-Islamic India.So presumably aristocratic women even in M.E wore it before Islam arrived in places such as Persia.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:53 pm
by Nosuperstition
Al-Beruni ,the Persian scholar sent by the Muslim emperor of Persia to get to know about the sciences developed by Hindus reported that the Hindus are sublime even though h e maintained that Hindu culture is inferior to the Persian culture.Sublimation in general is achieved when you stay away from things such as lust and drunkardness or other sensual attractions or pleasures and hence can more easily achieved by the less working aristocratic classes.The lower classes in general work hard and then party a lot ,so you cannot expect them to be that sublime.Hence it is possible that in both pre-Islamic M.E and India,women of lower classes in general did not wear the veil unlike their upper class counterparts.

Why in medieval Christendom,just like in Islam,women of all classes wore either veil or a headscarf.Egalitarian objectives achieved. ;) ;) ;)

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:54 am
by ISLAM_rules
There is only one culture: Islam. Everything else is toilet dirt.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:12 pm
by Nosuperstition
In the Greek epic ,the Iliad,princess Penelope,who then becomes Queen Penelope due to marriage with Ulysses ,the ideal wife of the Graeco-Roman world is said to have covered her face with the veil.And the Iliad pre-dates Islam by thousands of years.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:46 am
by Hombre
ISLAM_rules wrote:There is only one culture: Islam. Everything else is toilet dirt.
Where the h..l are you going to learn proper writing. Why do I have to correct your lousy english ha?.

Here what you meant to write: There is only one toilet: Islam. Everything else with it is, dirt
الله أكبر

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:19 am
by piscohot
If you know that you have a neighbour intent on your destruction, it doesn't matter if people living in other parts of the world is telling you that your neighbour actually wants to live in peace with you.

Because if you believed them and ended up getting destroyed by your neighbour, it just a 'oops' to those who told you the lie.



You have a new generation of 'Palestinians' brought up in propaganda and hatred against the jews.
To believe otherwise is sheer suicide for the jews in Israel.

Btw, muslims loved calling jews the descendants of monkeys and pigs. Wouldnt calling jews that, totally support the theory of evolution (from animals back to humans) and thereby debunked the quran on creations? :lol:

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:13 am
by Nosuperstition
glitch wrote:You would, but can you explain why all these delusions happen but then all of a sudden the Hebrews come along and they are the only people to say don't kill babies?


This practice was abandoned after the last retainer sacrifices by Qa'a, although it was replaced by representations of sacrificed retainers in the form of ushabti figures. There figures were meant to magically turn into servants, to carry out the work of the deceased in the afterlife. A small hint that the Egyptian people in later times reviled human sacrifice can be seen in the story of Khufu and the Magicians


http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/humansac.htm

Egypt was a superpower in M.E back then along with Assyria.To the best of what I remember,Israel was more so aligned with Egypt than Assyria even though the Jews did not like either of them and longed for their own independence.Perhaps just like some of the Psalms of King David seem plagarised from Egyptian sources,may be this aversion to human sacrifice amongst Israelis was also copied from the Egyptians just like Greeks copied the Egyptian deity pantheon for their own worship.

So depending upon who first gave up the human sacrifices based on prolonged study,tiny nation of Jews learned from either fellow Semites , the Egyptians or from the Persians under Cyrus.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:29 pm
by manfred
Goodness, another off-topic...??? PLEASE at least try to stick to topics or open your own ones.

This is a thread about Islamic attitude or views about Jews. Ancient Egypt really has nothing to do with it. And we went over that particular hobby horse before. In ancient Egypt existed a so-called retainer sacrifice which is a type of human sacrifice in which pharaohs and occasionally other high court nobility would have servants killed after the Pharaohs' deaths to continue to serve them in the afterlife. This was gradually abolished, mostly when Hellenistic views became influential in Egypt. Other cultures in the Middle East in ancient times also had various forms of human sacrifice, but notably the Israelites did not, they never did, and the topic is disposed of early in their history in the biblical story of Isaac and Abraham.

Muslims also do not have human sacrifice, nor ever had any, so why this is here I really do not know.
NS, in this thread at try to discuss the issue raise at the start, Jews and Muslims.

No Hindus, no "from the old forum", no human sacrifice, no castes, no advice of diet, no stories from your mom however interesting they are, no whatever. Just Muslims and Jews, please.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:38 pm
by Fernando
manfred wrote:Muslims also do not have human sacrifice, nor ever had any
One could believe that IS do.

Re: Can anyone rspond to any of this:

PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:49 pm
by manfred
Fernando wrote:
manfred wrote:Muslims also do not have human sacrifice, nor ever had any
One could believe that IS do.


Indeed, one could, they do have something not too dissimilar...