manfred wrote:yeezevee, aren't you giving old Mo a rather easy way out of responsibility?
No..Nooo.. I have written as harsh as I can write on his actions during his life time and I have thrown as much dirt as i can throw and more on that guy in this forum itself manfred"., again that is all based upon Islamic sources Not non-Islamic sources
So the Islamic conquests after the death of Mohammed are not his fault?
well I would certainly argue all that so-called Islamic conquests as NOT his fault.. because he is already dead by that time..
Well, did he teach his followers NOT to carry on with raid and the plunder in any way? Iif anything, he got more and more aggressive in his old age.
Where are the teachings and when, at what year did he teach them? Yes there were tribal warfare So if his followers raid, plunder and kill people DURING HIS LIFE TIME I would certainly blame him.. but after his death ...Noooo..
As far as he became more aggressive in his old age concerned.. may be he did .. So I blame him for what he did..But we got to make sure he really did that..
Julius Streicher was an odious man who published many anti-Jewish books and pamphlets, even children's books, in Nazi Germany. He never actually injured or hurt anyone PERSONALLY, but he provided others with seeming justifications for atrocities, which they eagerly accepted, so they are not blameless. But is he, the man to preached the hate, is he blameless? Well, he was executed after the Nuremberg trials.
manfred let us not compare Julius Streicher with Muhammad
Julius Streicher (12 February 1885 – 16 October 1946) was a prominent Nazi prior to World War II. He was the founder and publisher of Der Stürmer newspaper, which became a central element of the Nazi propaganda machine. His publishing firm also released three anti-Semitic books for children, including the 1938 Der Giftpilz ("The Toadstool" or "The Poison-Mushroom"), one of the most widespread pieces of propaganda, which purported to warn about insidious dangers Jews posed by using the metaphor of an attractive yet deadly mushroom. After the war, he was convicted of crimes against humanity and executed.
we have very little OR NO PROOF On Muhammad's propaganda against Jews and Christians unlike Julius Streicher ., Now we can go through Quran pick up hate verses and blame Muhammad( I am all for that assuming that guy really said those words that are there in Quran)
So first and foremost, sure, Mohammed is responsible for the things he did personally, and that is where it ends.
Yes he is and I agree with you that his responsibility should end on the day he died
But this includes his preaching. His words. The very words that to this day can bring death and destruction. Did he know what long-term effect he may have? Most likely not. But is he culpably negligent in not considering the long-term consequences of his behaviour? My reply would be a firm yes.
No..No.. why? can't people use brain and question that guy?? HE IS DEAD.. The long term consequence of his words way after his death are not because of him, but BECAUSE OF FOOLS LIVING AFTER HIS DEATH OFTEN THEY ARE NON-MUSLIMS to start with. ..
So never mind prancing round in frocks, even the "marriage" with Aisha, which as monstrous as it is, pales into insignificance against those sermons of his. They are his biggest crime. His sword has killed many hundreds, but his word many millions.
what ?? Marrying and sleeping with Aisha is his biggest crime?? No it is not. 1000s of people who were in power must have done that., If she was child then he was a RASCAL and SODOM (sex obsessed dirty old man) that is all what he was.
Let me put this way., if we remove Allah and his messenger job., then all his criminal activities are insignificant and they are as good or as bad as any man.. any warlord, any king, any leader of a country. But before we do all that blame
first thing we should know is that we know very little about this guy "Muhammad" . Here I would say we and every Muslim must read Quran and hadith with open mind, open heart ..lol.. openly with NO ONE PERSECUTING ANY ONE OR USING VIOLENCE against those who are discussing the subject to figure out what that guy really did during his life time.
You know, even to day , the problem actually lies with Non-Muslims and their governments ., Not Muslims ..