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Postby Hombre » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:25 pm

Mughal wrote:

Quote: No other nation had more scientific discoveries then Islam - from Andalusia to China."
How conventionality he omits Ancient Greeks discoveries, to which we still celebrate today. In fact, most same discoveries which this guy (and other Muslims) brag about, were copied or otherwise translated from Greek.

Interesting through, he credits the Chinese for inventing the papers, but Muslims for proliferating its use throughout the region.

Finally. It is funny, when Muhammad is credited for Muslims desire to learn from others. If that is true, while himself never bothered learn read & write - despite the fact he had the best educated scribes under his disposal .
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Postby Fernando » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:52 am

I found this quite interesting, to be fair. His boasting about Islamic science was just his warm-up act. He was frank enough to admit that the Islamic world/Arabian empire began to decline when it became inward looking. He seems to put this down almost to accident, seeing the rejection of printing as a major cause rather than a sign of a bigger problem. I don't know enough about
the history ot this to be sure, but I always had the impression that the cause was the ascendancy of what you might call the religious right of those days. Rejecting modernity - as he agrees they did - not out of arrogance or isolationism but because of rise and dominance of religious conservatism. Depressingly, he concludes by doubting that Islam will ever fully adapt to modernity.
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Postby Fernando » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:09 pm

Fernando wrote:As for all languages once being the same, I'd have to read a bit before I accept that. Certainly lots of languages are related and derive from an earlier one - eg from Latin. or earlier a hypothetical Indo-European, but ALL derived from ONE?
It looks as though I might be wrong Mughal, although the evidence has only just come to light. Sorry!
Humans may speak a universal language, say scientists


Humans across the globe may be actually speaking the same language after scientists found that the sounds used to make the words of common objects and ideas are strikingly similar.

The discovery challenges the fundamental principles of linguistics, which state that languages grow up independently of each other, with no intrinsic meaning in the noises which form words.

But research which looked into several thousand languages showed that for basic concepts, such as body parts, family relationships or aspects of the natural world, there are common sounds - as if concepts that are important to the human experience somehow trigger universal verbalisations.

"These sound symbolic patterns show up again and again across the world, independent of the geographical dispersal of humans and independent of language lineage," said Dr Morten Christiansen, professor of psychology and director of Cornell's Cognitive Neuroscience Lab in the US where the study was carried out.

"There does seem to be something about the human condition that leads to these patterns. We don't know what it is, but we know it's there."

The study found, that in most languages, the word for ‘nose’ is likely to include the sounds ‘neh’ or the ‘oo’ sound, as in ‘ooze.’

Similarly, the word for ‘leaf’ is likely to include the sounds ‘l,’ ‘p’ or ‘b’ while ‘sand’ will probably use the sound ‘s’. The words for ‘red’ and ‘round’ are likely to include the ‘r’ sound.

"It doesn't mean all words have these sounds, but the relationship is much stronger than we'd expect by chance," added Dr Christiansen.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/09/12/humans-may-speak-a-universal-language-say-scientists/
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Postby manfred » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:04 am

Similarly, the word for ‘leaf’ is likely to include the sounds ‘l,’ ‘p’ or ‘b’ while ‘sand’ will probably use the sound ‘s’. The words for ‘red’ and ‘round’ are likely to include the ‘r’ sound.


The Indonesian for leaf is "daun". (no l,p,or b)
Spanish: hoja (no l,p,or b)
Swahili : jani
Chinese: 叶 (pronounced ye, with the "e" sort of dropping of, as if you were telling someone off)
Arabic: ورقة الشجر (pronounced rather like waraqat alshajar(e)) (it has an "l" but that is part of the link word/article "al-")

Some languages have quite different words for a leaf of a tree and a "leaf" of paper, such as English, where we say "sheet of paper", other languages do not, Dutch uses "blad" for both.

I think the conventional theory is that languages come in "families" and as such are closer or more distantly related. Perhaps once there was only one language, a rudimentary one, and this diversified when mankind left Africa. It it equally possible that language developed separately in various isolated communities, and as these spread out and got into contact with each other, languages diversified and also influenced each other. To me that is more likely, as languages differ not only in words, but many have words for things other languages do not have, depending on environment, and grammar is wildly different... some languages have noun gender others do not, some have declension others do not, some do not even have tenses. And of course there are dozens of other differences. Sometimes these differences are so great that translation is tricky, and additional comment is needed to convey the entire meaning.

The notion that somehow Arabic was mankind's original language and even the divine language really is too silly to discuss.
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Re: Mughal the Infidel.

Postby Fernando » Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:03 am

Thanks Manfred, that's interesting.
One way this could have happened is human bottlenecks. One is supposed to have happened as we left Africa, when only a small population existed who would perhaps all have had the same language (or grunts, depending on what stage in human development it occurred). I didn't know, though, that there are supposed to have been further, local bottlenecks as the wanderers split up and went their ways - although I suppose splitting, without further bottlenecks, could have been enough.
Either way, it must have been well after splitting that writing was separately invented, judging by what we see today.
http://www.techinsider.io/genetic-bottleneck-almost-killed-humans-2016-3

BTW, could this be an avenue for research?
Scientists discover dolphins talk to each other in sentences up to five words long
http://www.geek.com/science/scientists-discover-dolphins-talk-to-each-other-in-sentences-up-to-five-words-long-1670488/ (and widely reported elsewhere)
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Re: Mughal the Infidel.

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Re: Mughal the Infidel.

Postby sum » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:03 am

Hello Mughal

Will you please explain the relevance of the videos that you posted to the subject of this thread?

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Postby pr126 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:01 pm

Mughal is using FFI as an echo chamber.
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Re: Mughal the Infidel.

Postby Mughal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:48 pm

A research work about the quran by dr saleem shahzad


Spoiler! :
Topic 1 (Ep 1-3): Towards a New Inquiry (History of the Qur’an)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sNWx-SSvc8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOn1uVXz1QQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECH-0XDYY2Q
Topic 2 (Ep 1-2): Narratives on Four People Collected the Qur’an in the Lifetime of Muhammad (sws)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHBcZ9--JwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OTCckzVMLI
Topic 20 (Ep 1-2) - Transmission of the Qur’an (History of the Qur’an)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU9x_vRqheU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l4tVx9dpio
Topic 19 (Ep 1-4) - Collection of the Qur’an (History of the Qur’an)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOl7dZOfv-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwBwzfwjeIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaNYg2kRseY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0b4J3XCdpk
Topic 18 (Ep 1-10) - Narratives on the Isnads of the Seven Canonical Readings (History of the Quran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OtLXUnSYyc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-JUXZm-U3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvdnh8dOK0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFND_63nczw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPqPXClzwXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSx-LIgEzDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o-FfzmdIyM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIMJLSL2cA4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfwhLI5fbs0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfwhLI5fbs0
Topic 18 (Ep 1-6) - Narratives on the Isnads of the Seven Canonical Readings (History of the Quran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmJSOUejCi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WkraA7qsI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp_HUIhuLDo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPx3sgqGA5g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ6DGtfir5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPs_seo7Wgo
Topic 17 (Ep 1-) - Narratives on the Revelation of the Qur’an on Seven Ahruf (History of the Quran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKiiQbc6lAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbbSHPvkfCc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0tOag68uU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC_sHzxybT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bulih0BIyjo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttk5cX_BKPI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztQazJHXK7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zC5wWLMB4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cVBd1RrDDM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGHlnzSqTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRT5zT_pK2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FQ05SnzDL8
Topic 16 [Ep1] Insertion of Vocalization and Diacritics in the Quranic Script (History of the Quran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt-Bg5lN8Yw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uyvZ4ryHHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toK0I9CH61A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSJTgvU4Tjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx0pB5WhEqk
Topic 15 (Ep 1) - The Stoning Verse” Narratives (History of the Quran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq4xAepqNMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFiBTGFemTk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojd7eIPs1B8
Topic 14 (Ep 1) - Narratives on the Variations found in the ‘Uthmanic Copies (History of the Quran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxWkt6l0PdU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl-IsZzNAXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhULvaklFbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3X6dMRpyd4
Topic 13 (Ep 1) - A Narrative on the Schematic Arrangement of the Qur’an (History of the Quran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFPI1AiLI-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uBflAqsQUw
Topic 12 (Ep 1) - Narratives on Ustuwanah al-Mushaf (History of the Quran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVRrI9kYsSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWrmkCtsb7s
Topic 11 (Ep 1) - Narrative on the Changes made in the Qur’an by al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf al-Thaqafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVRrI9kYsSE
Topic 10 (Ep 1) - Narratives on Mistakes (Lahn) in the Qur’an (History of the Quran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGihQY2e9Mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCUFTrIpmU
Topic 9 (Ep 1) - Narratives on ‘Abdullah ibn Mas‘ud’s Refusal to Surrender his Mushaf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MW67GWMocU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU2i6O1eAGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re4kN0iMfrg
Topic 8 (Ep 1) A Narrative on the Placement of Surah Anfal (8) and Surah Tawbah (9)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNLCsKwtShg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckwBwksezpY
Topic 7 (Ep 1) Narratives on Abdullah ibn Masud’s Rejection of the Muawwidhatayn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DaaZ0Q1vw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97eBlST-dHE
Topic 6 (Ep 1) Narratives on the Masahif of Ubayy ibn Ka'b (rta) and Abdullah ibn Masud (rta)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahx3ey0ne14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMvRjJtj7VY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwFsl4-jBBY
Topic 5 (Ep 4): Narratives on the Collection of the Qur’an by ‘Ali (rta) (History of the Quran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXaZjlW94Cw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Z3V877GdE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyyV6bbFnQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROa9r_2NxCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeBH2zE9Ydk
Topic 4 (Ep 1): Critical Analysis of the Narrative on Uthman’s Collection (History of the Quran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=625OpZZOiu8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv9vYeEHIhY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utqj4xTDqlI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htKLbUMb4jk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BhZS4du3i4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwLMcp4Z0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGNcRV5_tj4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id63vWn4xI8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrLswiR3fkw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjTSlclw2E4
Topic 3 (Ep 1): Critical Analysis of the Narrative on Abu Bakr’s Collection (History of the Qur'an)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNO3V-VoiNs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drm6LshYP0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KAeegvVIzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOzEzp6cxhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hkVAzjFuO8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdzdMQe4-OQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbkis-lDF9o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CXscgCaq5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q5kjJWLHIw
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Re: Mughal the Infidel.

Postby manfred » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:13 pm

Hello Mughal, an while it nice to see you found your way back here, this kind of post is NOT appropriate for a discussion board.

You cannot seriously expect people to watch all those clips just in order to give a a reply.

Start making ONE specific point about the Qur'an in your own words (and use one or two clips perhaps...) Then, when that one has been discussed for a while, another one.

Otherwise you are unlikely to get a response. So, it seems, you want to have a discussion about the origin of the Qur'an? Good, so start a topic, and tell us briefly what you would like to talk about, and in a sentence or two, give a hint what your views are. That will develop into a proper discussion and enquiry.

Perhaps on this long list we can first point out two things:

a) "dr saleem shahzad" is a MEDICAL doctor from New York, it seems, so the "dr" does little to qualify him more than others to comment about the Qur'an.

b) The approach is not an open enquiry, but it STARTS with accepting the Islamic assumptions about the Qur'an, so it can hardly be called a serious study. Example: in the first clip he strongly advocates stoning as a "punishment from God".... that alone is enough to dismiss this as a serious study.
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Postby Nosuperstition » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:25 pm

Example: in the first clip he strongly advocates stoning as a "punishment from God".... that alone is enough to dismiss this as a serious study.


Did he do that?in this day and age?
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Postby manfred » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:16 pm

Well, that is what it certainly looked like to me... Feel free to watch it for yourself, of course.

And it surprises you? It is still practiced in some parts of the world...
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Postby Nosuperstition » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:19 pm

Mughal wrote:


Well in a district called Prakaasam in A.P in India during the British rule there occured a famine called dokkala karuvu or the famine of bellies going in/bowels going in.It was so called because people could not find solid food as a result of which they mixed curd with black soil and ate it as a result of which their bowels contracted from within.The missionaries saw it as an opportunity and converted many from that district.Now I do not know for sure,but people say that as of today if at all there is any fraud in the state,the roots will be in that district.Once upon a time that district supplied many soldiers to the armies of Hindu Vijaya Nagar Empire.
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Postby Nosuperstition » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:20 pm

manfred wrote:Well, that is what it certainly looked like to me... Feel free to watch it for yourself, of course.

And it surprises you? It is still practiced in some parts of the world...


Which countries?
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Postby manfred » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:22 pm

Nosuperstition wrote:
manfred wrote:Well, that is what it certainly looked like to me... Feel free to watch it for yourself, of course.

And it surprises you? It is still practiced in some parts of the world...


Which countries?


Stoning still happens today. There are 15 countries in which stoning is either practiced or authorized by law, or both. In Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria (in one-third of the country's states), Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen, stoning is a legal punishment. However, out of these countries, only in Iran, Pakistan and Somalia have stonings that actually occurred, and all instances in Pakistan have occurred outside the legal system, i.e. without a court judgement, but also without the police doing anything to stop it.

By comparison, three of the remaining five countries (Afghanistan, Iraq, and Mali) do not condone stoning in national legislation, but sharia sentences and executions have been carried out by non-state people. In the Aceh region of Indonesia, and parts of Malaysia, stoning is sanctioned regionally but banned nationally.
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Postby Hombre » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:41 pm

Hello Mughal,
we missed you friend. where have you been? . Last time we talked, you were rewriting the Quran - clearing misinterpretation of the Quran. Have you completed your work yet?

As manfred had pointed out - too any youtube video. Doubt anyone will watch them. so please post on link and we will go from there.

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Postby Fernando » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:06 pm

Yes, Mughal, please continue but slow down a lot. Many of us are interested in the origin of the Koran but we would like new or little-known stuff. If it contradicts the old stuff, so much the better :sml:
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Postby sum » Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:05 pm

Mughal has a difficult question to overcome and which he has so far refused to answer. While Mughal claims that the impressions we get from the Koran are wrong and the message is basically peaceful, when asked if Muhammad acted in accordance with the message of the Koran and the evil deeds perpetrated by Muhammad were in accord with the teaching of the Koran he leaves the thread because he can not answer this without either criticising Muhammad or the Koran. Despite all the evil deeds perpetrated by Muhammad there are no criticisms in the Koran and so one can only conclude that Muhammad did actually follow "Allah`s" the guidance in the Koran.

This is a major stumbling block for Mughal which is why he will not answer the question of whether Muhammad fully understood, and acted upon, the guidance of "Allah" in the Koran.

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Postby Mughal » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:23 pm

Dear friends, greetings and hope you are all doing fine. I am still busy with my interpretation of the quran so I have little time to engage in discussions for the time being.

The links I posted are about a comprehensive study of source materials about the quran as to its originality. This is first study of its kind in english language by a muslim scholar. We have been listening to people who have been talking about different versions of the quran. This study proves there is only and only one version of the quran that ever was. This study also explains why there arose idea of different versions of the quran at times among people who claimed to be muslims. Dr shehzad saleem studied things for 15 years before he expressed his opinion about them. Basically there is nothing new for me in this study about which I have not explained things already on this forum. This is just to show with full references that what I was saying about the quran was not baseless as people here on this forum were saying about my explanations. The quran we have today is the original quran that was left behind by the messenger of God. It is up to individuals to verify things about the quran for themselves but links shared here will be found very helpful.

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Postby Hombre » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:44 am

dear mughal
I do hope you agree with us that, the only genuine study of any book, is when is made by unbiased scholars, whom - for most part, set aside their personal biases & prejudices and with use of logic they reach their conclusion to which we agree upon.

You see!, you claim that current version of quran is the "original version recited by Muhammad". It can not possibly be true for following reasons.
By time the final version of Quran was written, it went through 7 layers of communications & 80 years after Muhammad death.
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1. Allah (Recited only once)
2. Angle Gabriel. (Recited only once)
3. Muhammad. (Recited only once)
4. Scribes. (Some wrote them down while others memorized them by heart.
Assume average length of each generation is around 20-25 years)
5. Pass on to 1st generation
6. Pass to 2nd generation
7. Pass to 3rd generation
8. Quran written in final form.

Are we to believe that each word & sentence of a manuscript containing 77600 word, 6650 paragraphs & 114 chapters. had survived 80 year going through 7 stations in tact?

If Quran was altered by one of Muhammad's own scribes (Abdullah ibn Sa'ad bin Sarh) while he was alive and dictating - what make anyone sure that, subsequent scribes did not inject their own words - when Muhammad was long gone.

Finally, (I know this question was asked), being an illiterate man, how Muhammad could proof read what his scribes were writing to make sure indeed, they follow his revelation verbatim.

It just does not make sense - as pure & simple as it is.
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